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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: MadaboutRoses1883 on Tuesday 04 April 17 11:02 BST (UK)
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I have my gr gr grandparents Elisha & Elizabeth Green and family in Iwerne Minster upto and including 1871 census. After that I cannot find them in Dorset at all?
They appear to have travelled north to Caton & Brookhouse nr Lancaster, which seems an awful long way to travel way back then? It seems that Elizabeth died around 1872 and is buried in the churchyard at Brookhouse. Amelia married locally.
What brought them so far from Dorset? Would this have been for work?
census Iwerne Minster 1871.
113; ; Elisha; GREEN; Head; Mar; 36; Ag Lab; Iwerne; F72 /P18
; ; Elizabeth; GREEN; Wife; Mar; 40; ; Iwerne; F72 /P18
; ; Amelia; GREEN; Daur; ; 13; Scholar; Iwerne; F72 /P18
; ; Annie; GREEN; Daur; ; 11; Scholar; Sturminster; F72 /P18
; ; Emily; GREEN; Daur; ; 6; Scholar; Iwerne; F72 /P18
; ; Edwin; GREEN; Son; ; 8 mo; ; Iwerne; F72 /P18
I'd be grateful for any ideas anyone may have about this?
Cheers Rosie.
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I wonder if they had other family members in that area?
What is the evidence for travelling north - just that Elizabeth died there?
Where are the younger children in 1881 or are they missing too.
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Many thanks for your reply. :)
That's my dilemma, I only know that Amelia and Annie married locally.
I searched the later census' to find the younger children thinking they lived with relatives in Dorset, but I couldn't find them.
Then the census for 1881 comes up as Elisha living in mid Lancashire, Blackburn/Oswaldtwistle? and is married to someone else and only his youngest son is living with him?
Rosie
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Apologies I was misunderstanding the "married locally" as being local to Dorset not to Lancashire!
I see the 1881 with youngest son and new wife for Elisha so it is a puzzle.
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I don't know if this fits the details you have ...
One of my lines moved from Dorset to Lancashire because the mills in Lancashire were looking for workers. As part of the recruiting drive they offerred work and lodgings and "imported" whole families. Many of the children also worked in the mills.
I wonder if they had other family members in that area?
... who had also been recruited for the mills ?
regards,
Bob
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May not be directly relevant to your case, but loads of Cornish miners were recruited with their families, to come to Burnley area of Lancashire to work there in Coal mines at about the same time - there's apparently an area of Burnley known as "Little Cornwall" - so perhaps recruitment from the SW to the NW wasn't that unusual?
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Textile Mills were a form of employment.
Whole families worked in them.
From the age of twelve put to work .
All the best
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Thankyou to;
Scribble1952.
ThrelfallYorky.
Berlin-Bob.
And Milliepede.
Your replies are most welcome and I really appreciate the trouble you have taken to reply.
I had not realised that whole families were recruited to go places where work was more available? I suppose it makes sense though, as wasn't there an uprising by the Agricultural workers over drastically lowering their pay? (Tolpuddle Martyrs?) Elisha was an agricultural worker until he came north).
I have Elisha marrying in 1876 in Lancaster Registry office but the census for 1881 and 1891 he is in Oswaldtwistle working as a potters labourer. I cannot find much about his new wife, MaryEllen or Ellen and her daughter RoseAnn who I believe both were born in Ireland?
Amelia married in Brookhouse, at Caton St Paul's church to a William Purchase, they seemed a local family to Brookhouse, but I also saw Purchase's in Irwerne Minster too, so the families may have known each other previously in Dorset?
Cheers Rosie
ETA: Now if these census' were every 5 years instead of every 10 years, then I and a whole lot of others would know more about our ancestor's movements!
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I cannot find much about his new wife, MaryEllen or Ellen and her daughter RoseAnn who I believe both were born in Ireland?
Yes the 1881 census has birth place Antrim Ireland for both Mary Ellen and Rose Ann.
However the 1891 census has Lanarkshire Scotland for Ellen :-X (the original says Glasgow)
Her marriage to Elisha should give a fathers name for her, guessing she was a widow but she could have been a spinster I suppose. Fathers name will confirm that if it matches hers or not.
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Not sure if this is Rose Ann but marriage 1886 for a Rosanna Theresa Hinds to James Bassett.
Mention it because her birth place on census changes from Scotland to Bushmills Antrin Ireland.
5 children born by 1901* - Eleanor - Frederick - Robert - James - Charles
*1901 is under Barrett on ancestry - Rose born Ireland
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Were any of these ladies resident in Caton on 1901 census yours? They were all born in Dorset.
Matilda Robinson, (b. In??? Minster), Harriet Ellen Walker (b. Urn (?) Minster), Annie Mason, Mary Goodwin, Martha Williams, Frances Miles/ Mills (?). As far as I can make out from the census they were all married. (Edit. Annie Mason and Mary Goodwin both maiden names Purchase.
Edward, sons George & William Purchase were all born in Dorset, Hetherbury/ Netherbury/ Petaldown.
Purchase was not a Lancashire name. There was only 1 family of that name in Lancs. on 1841 census, an excise officer, born outside Lancs. with an Irish wife. Birthplaces of adults with the name Purchase on other 19th century census included Essex, Yorkshire, Norfolk, Staffs., Shropshire, Westmorland, Gloucestershire, Cheshire, Somerset, Cornwall, Wales and Guernsey. Out of 24 in 1881, only 3 children of 1 family were born in Lancs.
Caton had 5 mills (2 silk, 1 flax), a bobbin factory and a tile factory.
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Elisha Green was in Clitheroe in 1881. He was widowed and with his married son in Oswaldtwistle in 1901.
Purchase entries on Lancs. OPC included 2 soldiers and 2 sailors. 1 soldier married a woman from Dorset. His father was a sailor. There was also a stone mason. Perhaps the soldiers and sailors told their families & friends back home they should go to Lancashire to find work.
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Thankyou for your replies.
Maiden Stone. I have a lot of info to sift through with both of your posts.
As far as I know I haven't come across those names (yet), but i'll have a search for them. So it is quite possible that the Purchases' came from Dorset too?
Milliepede, I just couldn't find any information on Rose Ann Hinds, I was beginning to think she had disappeared off the census' & BMD radar? But it may be that this is her? Thankyou.
Cheers Rosie
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Dorset seems to have been the heartland of the Purchase name. I followed Purchase because it was an unusual name. By coincidence I came across it a few days ago whilst searching for a possible marriage of one of my Irish GGFs in Northumberland. Head of the Purchase family I found in Northumberland was from Norfolk or Suffolk and had moved around the north of England since youth. BTW a William Green from Whitchurch, Dorset was a footman in 1871 in Northumberland, in the household of a lieutenant. 2 other servants were from Cornwall. I wondered if William Green had previously been in his master's regiment. (Just thought I'd throw that in, especially in view of the Purchase soldiers and sailors I found in Lancs.)
Back to Caton.
William Purchase was from Netherbury in Dorset. Near neighbours of William & Amelia in Caton who were also Dorset-born were Martha Williams (wife of Marmaduke), James & Hannah Marsh and an Emily who was married to John Fernen(?). (1891 census) Could Emily have been Emily Green?
Family of George Hunt (b. 1828 Irwen, Dorset) were in Caton on 1881 census. 2 of his daughters were Matilda Robinson & Harriet Ellen Walker whom I mentioned in my 1st post.
Caton also had a few Cornish-born residents.
The Lancashire census enumerators not surprisingly had problems with unfamiliar surnames and places. Purchase was Penham on one transcription for 1881.
Father of William Purchase was Edward. Edward, wife Susan +6 children were in Puddletown, Dorchester, Dorset in 1871. William, then about 18 was not with them. Neither is elder daughter Elizabeth. She married in Caton, 1874 to a man from Devon. Susan Purchase (Tolley) was a flax spinner (1851 census, Dorset). Perhaps it was her skill which brought the family to Caton. It was normal for married women in Lancashire to work outside the home.
BTW Tolpuddle Martyrs 1834.
Given Elisha's occupation on a later census he may have worked in the tile factory in Caton.
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Thankyou Maiden Stone you posted so much for me to research further, I really appreciate it.
It does seem that there was quite a lot of folks from Dorset, Devon and Cornwall came up to work in Lancashire. That's something I will try and find out more about.
It's possible that the Emily who was married to John Fernen may have been Emily Green? Another lead for me to look into.
Cheers Rosie
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I couldn't decipher surname of Emily's husband. If he was from another "foreign" family the census clerk might have mangled it. It was 1891 census.
( Edit. Marriage 1886 Emily Green & John Fern. Hyndburn district (includes Oswaldtwistle & Accrington). Register Office or Registrar attended. Was the Green family Methodist? Oswaldtwistle had a large Methodist population; lots of Old Testament names in census e.g. Elisha. Methodism was also strong in S.W. England.)
Referring back to a post by Threlfall Yorky about Cornish tin-mining ancestors being recruited to work in coal mines in Burnley, one such was Noah Purchas. He was born in Somerset and spent some of his adult life in Cornwall where some of his children were born. He was on 1881 & 91 census. Several of his neighbours in Burnley were Cornish. Interestingly (to me anyway), the district where he lived was the same where I'd previously located another Purchase family in the barracks.
The reasons for your ancestors and their neighbours moving from Dorset were likely to be connected to changes in farming in late 19th century. Mechanization such as threshing machines resulting in less work for ag. labs. Local history of Dorset should provide clues as to what was happening at the time. Also they may have been attracted by chance of higher wages & more regular work in factories and more employment opportunities for women. Even mothers of young children worked in Lancashire. Young single women earned higher wages and had more freedom than their peers who were in domestic service.
What was Elisha's address in 1891? I found him in Clitheroe 1881 and Ossie in 1901 but not in between.
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Once again Thankyou Maiden Stone for your reply.
Yes the Hyndburn district does include Oswaldtwistle so that could certainly have been her? (she wasn't on the census in 1881 with Elisha?) I'll look and see who the witnesses were?
I think it is possible that Elisha's family were Methodist's, his granddaughter, my granny, may have been a Wesleyan which I think is Methodist. I have a family Bible from a Wesleyan church that belonged to her husband's family, but I always thought she was a Quaker?
Thankyou for the hint of looking at the Local history of Dorset to get more insight as to why and where they travelled up country.
Rosie