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Brick Wall help needed...
I've got Mary Gertrude Sheridan born 1896 in Dublin. Parents are Thomas Sheridan and Mary O'Driscoll.
Thomas and Mary marry in May 1900, but by June 1900, Thomas is on the register of James Christopher Sheridan, mother Alice Gaffney. In 1901, Thomas Sheridan is living 'married' with Alice Sheridan, Gertrude Sheridan, James Christpher Sheridan, Mary Gaffney (Alice daughter). They are living with Patrick Sheridan (Thomas father).
In 1911, they are together without Patrick Sheridan, this time they have Anne Sheridan (about 7). Mary/Gertrude sheridan is no where and they save 3 children, 2 living. Step daughter Mary Gaffney is still there as is James Christopher. I can't find another child born to them.
Thomas Sheridan and Alice Gaffney don't actually marry until 1929! I've found Alice died in 1950, as a widow. But I can't find any matches to Thomas Dying.
However my interest is in Mary Gertude Sheridan and Mary O'Driscoll.
Alice Gaffney was a widow when she married Thomas. Her maiden name is Dunne. I can only find James Christopher and Anne as her kids to Thomas. So would that mean Mary Gertude had died?
And when did Mary Sheridan nee O'Driscoll die? Could they have waited for her to die before marrying in 1929? Or did she did sooner than that and they waited for Alices first husband to die? They married in 1883, Richard Gaffney and Alice Dunne.
It's very perculiar. Mary O'Driscoll was baptised may 1900, despite being born in 1868, (I think to be baptised into Catholic church) and married that same month, so how come Thomas is then 'fathering' a child a month later with another woman?
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Hi
The only Mary Sheridan born to a Thomas and Mary in Dublin at that time is ....
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02129/1809046.pdf
line number 286.
this is them in the 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Blanchardstown/Blanchardstown/1268478/
and in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Blanchardstown/Blanchardstown_Town/4975/
her maiden name was Byrne.
Maggsie
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Brick Wall help needed...
I've got Mary Gertrude Sheridan born 1896 in Dublin. Parents are Thomas Sheridan and Mary O'Driscoll.
Thomas and Mary marry in May 1900, but by June 1900, Thomas is on the register of James Christopher Sheridan, mother Alice Gaffney. In 1901, Thomas Sheridan is living 'married' with Alice Sheridan, Gertrude Sheridan, James Christpher Sheridan, Mary Gaffney (Alice daughter). They are living with Patrick Sheridan (Thomas father).
In 1911, they are together without Patrick Sheridan, this time they have Anne Sheridan (about 7). Mary/Gertrude sheridan is no where and they save 3 children, 2 living. Step daughter Mary Gaffney is still there as is James Christopher. I can't find another child born to them.
Thomas Sheridan and Alice Gaffney don't actually marry until 1929! I've found Alice died in 1950, as a widow. But I can't find any matches to Thomas Dying.
However my interest is in Mary Gertude Sheridan and Mary O'Driscoll.
Alice Gaffney was a widow when she married Thomas. Her maiden name is Dunne. I can only find James Christopher and Anne as her kids to Thomas. So would that mean Mary Gertude had died?
And when did Mary Sheridan nee O'Driscoll die? Could they have waited for her to die before marrying in 1929? Or did she did sooner than that and they waited for Alices first husband to die? They married in 1883, Richard Gaffney and Alice Dunne.
It's very perculiar. Mary O'Driscoll was baptised may 1900, despite being born in 1868, (I think to be baptised into Catholic church) and married that same month, so how come Thomas is then 'fathering' a child a month later with another woman?
Absolutely no sources for anything you are talking about!!
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For reference Birth of Mary as unknown
431
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02151/1815937.pdf
baptism
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1895-1900_ba_0195
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Brick Wall help needed...
I've got Mary Gertrude Sheridan born 1896 in Dublin. Parents are Thomas Sheridan and Mary O'Driscoll.
Thomas and Mary marry in May 1900, but by June 1900, Thomas is on the register of James Christopher Sheridan, mother Alice Gaffney. In 1901, Thomas Sheridan is living 'married' with Alice Sheridan, Gertrude Sheridan, James Christpher Sheridan, Mary Gaffney (Alice daughter). They are living with Patrick Sheridan (Thomas father).
In 1911, they are together without Patrick Sheridan, this time they have Anne Sheridan (about 7). Mary/Gertrude sheridan is no where and they save 3 children, 2 living. Step daughter Mary Gaffney is still there as is James Christopher. I can't find another child born to them.
Thomas Sheridan and Alice Gaffney don't actually marry until 1929! I've found Alice died in 1950, as a widow. But I can't find any matches to Thomas Dying.
However my interest is in Mary Gertude Sheridan and Mary O'Driscoll.
Alice Gaffney was a widow when she married Thomas. Her maiden name is Dunne. I can only find James Christopher and Anne as her kids to Thomas. So would that mean Mary Gertude had died?
And when did Mary Sheridan nee O'Driscoll die? Could they have waited for her to die before marrying in 1929? Or did she did sooner than that and they waited for Alices first husband to die? They married in 1883, Richard Gaffney and Alice Dunne.
It's very perculiar. Mary O'Driscoll was baptised may 1900, despite being born in 1868, (I think to be baptised into Catholic church) and married that same month, so how come Thomas is then 'fathering' a child a month later with another woman?
Absolutely no sources for anything you are talking about!!
My apologies, I was writing this quickly earlier. I will get on with finding the links to the sources.
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Excuse me while I have a little cry... a reply of ten sources and links just closed by accident...
So finding it all again.
This is the baptism I believe for Mary Driscoll, the first name is missing, but the address is the same as the marriage and the name of the father matches also.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1895-1900_ba_0564
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The church marriage record for Thomas Sheridan and Mary Driscoll, same month as the baptism I posted.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0517
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The baptism of James Christopher Sheridan... just a little over a month since he married Mary Driscoll. Here he is, with Alice Dunne/Gaffney.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1895-1900_ba_0573
The birth registration - Unknown Sheridan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01997/1768243.pdf
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The civil marriage record of Thomas Sheridan and Mary Driscoll - note the occupation.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10346/5766272.pdf
The civil marriage of Alice Gaffney and Thomas Sheridan in 1929.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1929/09064/5279456.pdf
The 1901 census featuring Thomas Sheridan and 'wife' Alice. Also present, Gertrude.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_City/Jervis_Street/1332860/
The 1911 census, minus Gertrude but adding Anne
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Inns_Quay/Dominick_Street__Upper/35053/
The baptism of Mary Gertrude Sheridan in 1896.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1895-1900_ba_0195
The civil registration of 'unknown' sheridan in 1896.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02151/1815937.pdf
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Richard Gaffney (Alice first husband) is alive in 1898, there is a newspaper article that states she accused him of assaulting her (but they dont sound too convinced as she doesn't keep her story straight and is not 'sober') and he had three months hard labour as a result.
I just lose Mary Sheridan after she marries Thomas in 1900, and then I can't find Mary Gertrude Sheridan after the 1901 census.
I have also found two other children belonging to Alice Gaffney and Richard, Maraget and Patrick, but I think Patrick may have died. Not sure of Margaret, she was born in 1885. The last child is born, as far as I can see, in 1893. I found these entries on rootsireland.
Name: Patrick Gaffney Date of Birth: 09-Sep-1893
Date of Baptism: 11-Sep-1893
Address: 8 Hendrick Street Parish/District: ST.PAUL'S ARRAN QUAY
Gender: Male County Co. Dublin
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Richard Gaffney Mother: Alice Dunne
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Margaret Kennedy
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Not Recorded Not Recorded
Notes:
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Name: Mary Gafney Date of Birth: 18-Oct-1890
Date of Baptism: 20-Oct-1890
Address: 5 Haymarket Parish/District: ST.PAUL'S ARRAN QUAY
Gender: Female County Co. Dublin
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Richard Gafney Mother: Alice Dunn
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Louise Kelly
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Not Recorded Not Recorded
Notes:
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[WIFES SURNAME BEST GUESS, REG. IS DAMAGED]
Name: Margaret Gaffeney Date of Birth: 31-Oct-1885
Date of Baptism: 02-Nov-1885
Address: 50 Queen Street Parish/District: ST.PAUL'S ARRAN QUAY
Gender: Female County Co. Dublin
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Richard Gaffeney Mother: Alicia Dunne
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Not Recorded Not Recorded
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Margaret Hickey
Notes:
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Another possible child of Alice Dunne, 2 years before she married.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02817/2033598.pdf
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Thomas Sheridan died 1940 both he and Alice are buried in Glasnevin ,Alice's age is given as 85 however fiddling with the address box i figured out the address is 61 upr Dominick St.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04726/4263537.pdf
http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
be worth your while getting a read out of the grave might be other family members there too.
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Well I already know that James Christopher Sheridan moved to England as did Anne Sheridan (via an ancestry tree, the owner of the tree doesn't appear to know about the first marriages for either Thomas or Alice so I've contacted them asking if they'd like more information).
I'm just so stumped. I can't see why Mary O'Driscoll would not have her daughter with her, unless she had died. Could she have ran away when Thomas went off with Alice when she gave birth to James. Was James actually his and it all came out after the marriage?!I know I will never know but gosh what a mixture of emotions. I don't even know know for sure if she is my great great aunt and with the assumption that Mary Gertrude was her only child and she died young,I'll never really know.
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Possible workhouse admission for Mary Sheridan and daughter Mary IN Dec 1896. Ages for both fit (baby is 1 month).
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=ire%2fnai-wrkhs%2f007635516%2f00073&parentid=ire%2fnai-wrkhs%2f01133317
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slight possibility for her death in 1896 informant Patrick Sheridan brother in law Gt Britain St wife of a collector ?
Dec 1896 so what date is on workhouse records
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05884/4668812.pdf
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slight possibility for her death in 1896 informant Patrick Sheridan brother in law Gt Britain St wife of a collector ?
Dec 1896 so what date is on workhouse records
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05884/4668812.pdf
Dec 1896 for workhouse
but Mary marries Thomas in 1900 so is Alice until at least then.
I've found richard gaffney alive until at least 1910 in and out of the workhouse
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A little update to this branch.
I have found this travel document for Mary Gertrude Sheridan, travelling to Canada.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1263/CANIMM1913PLIST_2000908331-00184?pid=2682183&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1263%26h%3D2682183%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DwSz67%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=wSz67&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true
It states her mother is Mrs Mary Sheridan, living in Dundalk.
There is a death in 1941, for Mary Sheridan, aged 73 - taking her birth to 1868 - in Co Louth, Dundalk.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04712/4258552.pdf
Gertrude is travelling to Canadians Womans Hostel, Toronto, in 1929. Why would she be going there? Is there anyway to find out what happened to her after arriving in Canada?
Still no sign of Mary Driscolls birth though.
As stated previously her parents are listed as deceased by 1900, Timothy Driscoll and Margaret Johnston... The same names as my great grandads parents. She was born around the same time period that my great grandad and his siblings were born, and in 1900 my great grandad had moved to Dublin - where she married and was baptised to cross over to Roman Catholic from Church of ireland. But I can't find a birth of Mary Driscoll, in 1868, with these parents.
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Re Gertrude's journey to Canada a Google search possibly hints assisted immigration ?
https://www.ancestry.ie/boards/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=19005&p=localities.northam.canada.general
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=550068.0