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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: kelsmell on Thursday 30 March 17 17:26 BST (UK)
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I have an ancestor whose middle name was Cankel or Cankil.
Thomas O'connor b.16th - bapt 24th July 1893
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633505#page/96/mode/1up (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633505#page/96/mode/1up)
Some of my Scottish ancestors have used family surnames as a middle name for their children.
I can’t find the name via the internet I was wondering was it an old Irish name or word someone might have come across before?
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Looks more like Cantil to me which is an Irish surname.
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The civil registration doesn't help:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02294/1860562.pdf
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I have an ancestor whose middle name was Cankel or Cankil.
Thomas O'connor b.16th - bapt 24th July 1893
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633505#page/96/mode/1up (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633505#page/96/mode/1up)
Some of my Scottish ancestors have used family surnames as a middle name for their children.
I can’t find the name via the internet I was wondering was it an old Irish name or word someone might have come across before?
I presume you are referring to the address 23 Wicklow St....
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Francis Connor, 23 Wicklow St
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Yes thats correct Francis o'connor father of Thomas of Wicklow St.
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So where is Cankel or Cankil?
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Sorry... it's on Church one!! ::) me
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Sorry... it's on Church one!! ::) me
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Can't make it out either....
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Could it be Carnell
https://www.houseofnames.com/carnell-family-crest
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Not in Wicklow St on 1901 Census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ju4/
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It just seems so unusual as he's the only one with a odd middle name.
And my Irish family seem to stick to the tradition names, it sticks like a sore thumb i feel like theres some meaning behind it or its a spelling mistake but for what i don't know.
His parents were married on the 11 July & he was born on the 17th July 1893 they were really cutting it fine the banns were only read twice by the looks of it!
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Irish / Gaelic name, Conall, might be worth considering.
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It's a hard one for sure!
I'm thinking, depending who was writing it, could it be a wrong spelling for Conville depending on how it sounded?
That's my penny's worth?
Annie
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Is it Carnee, the name Catherine just below your entry starts the same Ca, and it looks like ending double e.
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Just like Tarnwater I think it definitely starts with CA as in Catherine
and then I think it ends with EL, based on the Michael further down the page of baptisms
Wondering if it is CARMEL?
July 16th is the feast day of Our Lady of Mount Carmel
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Carmel would make sense.
I was hoping the name would be a clue to break down the brick wall around his mother family!
I'm going to look up all the names and see if I can see any other possibly.
But now you've explained Carmel I feel it could very well be right.
Thanks, everyone
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Sorry about that!! ;D
July 16 is my Aunt's birthday; born 1922 and going strong!
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Do you have his mother's birth?
Could this be her?
Mary Whelan bap Apr 17 1873 in Ballybricken, Waterford LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632107#page/504/mode/1up)
Father Gualterus (Latin for Walter) and Mother Catherine KENNY
The matching birth shows the father as Matthew, a salter LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03194/2171270.pdf)
The couple have a Mary Bridget in 1874 - this time the birth record shows Walter LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03146/2153894.pdf)
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Oh by the way Thomas’s birth was either 16 or 17th July as the birth & bapt differ.
Mary Ellen's parents were Walter & Bridget
I’ve seen a Walter Whelan & Bridget Mollowney they married 18 November 1855 at St Andrews but not sure if it's right. They would have been married around 16 years before Mary Ellen was born.
I can only find one Child for them Mary b.1859 Poolbeg St.
I can't find Mary Ellen's birth the census info says she was born in Dublin between 1871 – 1873 I’ve widened the search & looked thought church & civil records for Mary's, Ellen's & unknown Whelan’s, I do get lost on the civil records at irishgenealogy.ie and miss some I really find it hard to keep track.
Walter was deceased by 1893 & Bridget was at Clarendon St I’ve look at burial's & civil deaths for both of them non fit, he was a sailor so might have died while away from home, there's a Bridget I’ve not checked that died 1895 but the image was wrong so knowing my luck that's her!
I didn't know that Gualterus was Latin for Walter.
Thanks
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Found them on census and yes she does say born Dublin City on both
Francis O’Connor and his wife Mary, daughter Mary and son Francis on 1901 census LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/Clarendon_Street/1308805/)
living at house 15.4 in Clarendon Street (Royal Exchange, Dublin)
Family in 1911 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Royal_Exchange/Clarendon_St_/89932/)
living at 46.3 in Clarendon St. (Royal Exchange, Dublin)
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I also believe it is "Carmel."
In a Catholic church one would expect any middle name to be derived from a saint and not be a family name. Carmel is a bit odd because it is a location and one associated with a female saint, but, nevertheless, I think it is "CarmeL"
The Carmelite Order has old and widespread ties to Ireland. No other short Catholic saint's name seems to begin "Ca" and end in "l." Also, it wasn't just nuns, but men in the order as well. Not to mention, "Carmel" was really the key word, with members of the order signing missives "Yours in Carmel."