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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: orkrad on Tuesday 28 March 17 03:42 BST (UK)
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i am helping a friend research her family and would be grateful for the help of the Rootschat family
Her grandfather George Gair Hunter died 3 Feb 1948(aged 49 ) and is buried with his wife Minnie Louisa Hunter ( ms Hankey ) who died 18 Jan 1978 in East Tairi Cemetery Dunedin. Also buried in the same plot are Hans Hankey,(aged 93) Lousa Hankey (aged 93) and an Albert Hankie (aged 44) These appear to be Minnie Louisa's parents and brother ) There are photos of the headstones on the cemetery website.
There is a family story that they came from the Shetland Isles but I cannot locate their immigration data from Family Search.
In NZ Archives there is a reference under aliens registration and naturalisation in 1940 for Johan (aka Hans) Hankey, his wife Louisa Voight Hankey( she came from Germany ) and a Carl Henke ( a son?). There is also a marriage at St Andrews Gore in 1897 for a couple with those names.
Hans Hankey appears in various NZ electoral rolls . In 1893 he is a rabbiter in Clydevale and in 1901 in NZ Sheep Farmers registry as a sheep farmer in Tapanui owning 136 sheep. Calculating from his gravestone record he was born around 1869 but where?
Can anyone help with finding John ( Hans) arrival in NZ and if he is from the Shetland Isles who could we contact to find out more about his background ?
If we apply for Hans ' naturalisation records would it record his place of birth?
Alternatively would his death cert printout provide this information?
Regards Orkrad.
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Just some jottings to get things clear in my head.
The cemetery records say was 93 when he died in 1952 and had been in NZ 89years so he was age around 5 when he came to NZ about 1872. He had to have been with parents/family.
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Hello...
Two of the naturalisation records you mentioned have been digitised and are on the Archives website.
No mention of the Shetlands but the ages fit...
Hankey, Johann (German) - Date of Birth: 22 June 1869
http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE27697627 (http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE27697627)
Hankey, Louisa Veight (German) - Date of Birth: 12 April 1872
http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE27697644 (http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE27697644)
Regards
Beg
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That's a double Bingo! :) 8)
There is a 1917 Alien Record for a Hans HANKEY, age 47, born in Germany, and living in Southland. Had lived 43 years in New Zealand (e.g. arrived circa 1874).
Spades
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Just some jottings to get things clear in my head.
The cemetery records say was 93 when he died in 1952 and had been in NZ 89years so he was age around 5 when he came to NZ about 1872. He had to have been with parents/family.
His year of death was 1962 ... (not 1952). ;)
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Hi Orkrad
This looks like the family to me.
Before their name was anglicised .... former name, HENKE.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBY8-FR?i=13&cc=1609792
Arrived 1874 into Otago, NZ - per ship "Sussex" :
~ Lu
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crisane
Just some jottings to get things clear in my head.
The cemetery records say was 93 when he died in 1952 and had been in NZ 89years so he was age around 5 when he came to NZ about 1872. He had to have been with parents/family.
Lucy2 - His year of death was 1962 ... (not 1952).
Thanks for correcting my typo. My maths is correct though? Not that it is needed now because of the other records you have found :)
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Hi Orkrad
This is probably the arrival of Louisa > (Louisa Voight HANKEY) > shown as VOIGT on passenger list.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DR69-LHQ?i=11&cc=1609792
Arrived Otago, NZ - December 1873 per "Scimitar" :
VOIGT
- Wilhelm - 35
- Auguste - 33
- Auguste - 8 (female ... marries as "Augusta" ?)
- Wilhelm - 6
- Louisa - 1 yr
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Hans Hankey appears in various NZ electoral rolls . In 1893 he is a rabbiter in Clydevale and in 1901 in NZ Sheep Farmers registry as a sheep farmer in Tapanui owning 136 sheep. Calculating from his gravestone record he was born around 1869 but where?
Hi Orkrad
.... he was born in Germany (actual place not given) : This info comes from the Burial Record ex East Taieri Cemetery. The informant was an "R. J. CAMPBELL" - who was possibly the undertaker ? [Will check that further.].
Adding next post, a transcript of burial records for both Hans and Louisa.
~ Lu
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Hi Orkrad
This is probably the arrival of Louisa > (Louisa Voight HANKEY) > shown as VOIGT on passenger list.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DR69-LHQ?i=11&cc=1609792
Arrived Otago, NZ - December 1873 per "Scimitar" :
VOIGT
- Wilhelm - 35
- Auguste - 33
- Auguste - 8 (female ... marries as "Augusta" ?)
- Wilhelm - 6
- Louisa - 1 yr
... oops just correcting date : Arrival should be > March 1874
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My transcription > of a transcription > of Burial Records for East Taieri Cemetery, Mosgiel, Otago :
HANKEY - Louisa -- Plot 1 / Block PE
Buried 9 July 1965 - aged 93 Years - widow - resident of 157 Main South Road, Mosgiel.
Born : Germany - lived 90 years in province.
Informant : R. J. Campbell
Remarks : Old Plot of HUNTER. Died 8 July - Mother of Plot owner, Mrs G. HUNTER :
Note: Not shown on headstone :
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HANKEY - Hans - buried 8 August 1962 - 93 years - a retired farmer.
Born : Germany
Last came from Gore.
Lived 89 years in province
Informant : R. J. CAMPBELL
[Same details as for Louisa ^ (above) regarding Plot number, address and remarks. ]
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~ Lu
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There is also this NZ Naturalisation from 1886 (Index Listing only) - looks to be the Carl HENKE who arrived in Otago 1874 (ship "Sussex") with his family, including a son named as Johann - aged 4 yrs.
Carl HENKE
aged 49 years - born about 1838
Birthplace: Drosedow Nr Koszalin, Poland
Former Nationality: German
Occupation : Labourer Place of Residence : Waihola
Naturalisation Date: 24 January 1887
File No. 1886 / 3724
Cetificate No. 22
Register Page No. 44
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Perhaps also related.
Golden Wedding Anniversary in 1908 of Franz Kroning and Henrietta Henke, married at Colburg, Germany in 1858. Present address Waihola.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD19081106.2.19?query=henke
They also arrived on the Sussex that Lucy gave the link for.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBY8-25?i=16&cc=1609792
Henrietta's death in November 1918. It's a very long list of death notices, but influenza was rampant in the district.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW19181127.2.85?query=henke
Carl Henke's death in 1918.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/BH19170108.2.39?query=henke
One of the daughters is a Mrs Voight. Perhaps her husband is related to Louisa?
One of the daughters is a Mrs Lischner, and there were also Lischners on the Sussex.
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PM sent re personal information about (a) Dunedin Hankey family......
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Beg,Crisane, Spades, Lucy2, Hurwoth and Minniehaha for the valuable information you have provided and the links to your sources. I really appreciate that you all take the time to give such detailed helpful replies.
It now looks like the story of the Shetland Isles forebears might be on the other side of the family----the George Gair Hunter who is buried at East Tairi cemetery.
Is there a special website I can make contact with regarding Shetland Island settlers in New Zealand ? Regards Orkrad.
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Hi Orkrad
Lots of links if you Google "NZ + Shetland Islanders" :
~ Lu
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Try this one Orkrad.........
www.bayanne.info/Shetland/
"Welcome to my site which covers the family history of anyone from Shetland, including those who have ancestors who have moved away at some stage in the ........."
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Lucy 2 and Minniehaha for the Shetland Island information.
Orkrad
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Orkrad ... the 1901 Scotland Census has >
Civil Parish of Tingwall, Whiteness and Weisdale > Shetland > Scotland
George G. HUNTER - b.c. 1896 - born Whiteness, Zetland
son of James and Christiana HUNTER
... included also are a number of siblings - one of whom, (a married sister), also came to NZ.
Will post further details soon - need to check out some additional info.
~ Lu
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From the website mentioned in reply #16........
George Gair HUNTER
Born 27 Oct 1895 Strome, Whiteness, SHI, SCT Find all individuals with events at this location [1]
Gender Male
Census 1901 Resident at East House, Strom, Whiteness. Find all individuals with events at this location [2]
Died UNKNOWN Mosgiel, NZL Find all individuals with events at this location
Person ID I235605 Shetland
Last Modified 16 Feb 2015
Father James HUNTER, b. 28 Mar 1858, Strome, Whiteness, SHI, SCT Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 31 Aug 1915, Strome, Whiteness, SHI, SCT Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 57 years)
Mother Christina GAIR, b. 9 Sep 1862, Quoyness, Whiteness, SHI, SCT Find all individuals with events at this location, d. 24 Sep 1917, Strome, Whiteness, SHI, SCT Find all individuals with events at this location (Age 55 years)
Married 29 Dec 1887 Whiteness, SHI, SCT Find all individuals with events at this location
Family ID F125568 Group Sheet | Family Chart
Family Minnie HENKE, b. Aft 1890, d. UNKNOWN
Last Modified 21 Feb 2015 09:41:36
Family ID F174072 Group Sheet | Family Chart
Sources
[S38] Birth Certificate, 95/16, registered by James Hunter, father.
[S37] Census return.
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Lucy2 and Minniehaha for the information on the Shetland Islands family of George Gair Hunter. I have passed it on to the person I am helping and she is delighted.
If either of you manages to get details of George's married sister who came to New Zealand I would be really grateful.
Thanks again for all your help. Orkrad.
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Yes Orkrad, I have info for the sister ... will add it here shortly.
~ Lu
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Thanks Lucy2 .
Regards Orkrad
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Hi Orkrad ... and have just found a few other family members ... so working on finding and checking their info.
~ Lu
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Lucy2 Thanks yet again for all your input.
Regards Orkrad
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Hi there
AM interested in the HENKE family mentioned here. Three Henke families left from Prague to New Zealand in 1874 on the "Prague" then the "Sussex":
- Carl 36, Bertha 33 and children Elise 11, Frederick 9, Carl 7 , Johan 4 , & Ida 2m.
- Heinrich 44, Auguste 34, Emily 17, Franz 15, Otto 13, Heinrich 11, Frederich 9, Auguste 6, Leonhard 4 & Wilhelmine 6m
- Wihelmine 46 daughter Wilhelmine 21 Albert 15 and Franz
I am wondering if these families were all related? My gt Grandfather was Heinrich born 1856 and married a Scotland woman before living in South Africa and then Australia. Trying to find his family and am hoping this may be a link to them.
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Hi again
As mentioned on your other thread, I will get back to you.
There is a lot of reading to be done and also checking of previous information .... and it all takes a good chunk of time.
~ Lu
* Edited to correct spelling.
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Many thanks Lu....
am desperately hoping the Emily and Heinrich children are unaccounted for in NZ at some time after arriving and are the ones Ive been looking for for years!
Cheers
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Hello again
Just to start with, it does seem that these HENKE families were probably related (unconfirmed, but they were bracketed together on the passenger manifesto).
You say your gt/grandfather Heinrich was born 1856 ?... though I expect you actually meant "1865" (as is mentioned in other threads) ?
I've looked over your previous threads (going back to 2009) and also viewed a number of "trees" online at Ancestry.
These trees, (and I'm guessing one of them is yours ? ) all carry almost identical information.
They all too, make the assumption that "Harry HANKS" was in fact a man formerly named "Heinrich HENKE" who was born in Germany. But what I cannot see in the various threads and "trees", is "documented" evidence that this is the case ?
And, I think sometime in 2019, mention is made in a thread about a "blog" where you've said (or something similar) ... "we have confirmed our gt. grandfather was actually born in Germany around 1865".
It was not explained though where this information was found ??
On the (WA) death certificate for Harry HANKS (1943) ... his age is given as 70 years (bc 1873), and his birthplace is shown as "Scotland". [Included too father's name and occupation and mother's maiden surname. ]
And when Harry and Agnes travel to UK in 1929, his age is 64 (bc 1865) ... and again his birthplace is stated as "Scotland". [Noting ... same details appear on passenger list for return journey 1929 to AUS - and also on immigration list when entering Western Australia. ]
But of course the information given in a death certificate can often be unreliable (supplied as it is by a third party).
I can see your previous searching has not revealed any "really useful" background information for "Harry (or Harold) HANKS" ... and because most of his children were born in South Africa, there is difficulty and great expense in obtaining their birth certs - which may (or may not) reveal additional information about Harry.
Considered a much more reliable source (because info is provided by bride and groom themselves), is a marriage record (the registry entry type ($20) - rather than a transcribed certificate).
* Do you actually have a copy of this ? (1893 - VIC ) [Or just snippets from an index ?? ]
* And as Harry married twice, then his second marriage record would probably also be a worthwhile purchase (for comparisons sake anyway.)
I'm happy to pass on to you information I've gathered about the Heinrich HENKE family ... but will await your reply re: the Harry HANKS marriage record(s) before going ahead with this. :)
[I have to say I'm not convinced at this stage that they are one and the same person. :D ]
~ Lu
* Edited (some wording) for clarity.
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Thanks for your lengthy reply Lucy.
As you can see this search for details of Harry Hanks has been a long one. The name Heinrich Henke was given to us by details on the following page. http://germanaustralianalianstomilitarism.blogspot.com/2011/09/h-surnames-germanic-emigrants-1870-1920.html (http://germanaustralianalianstomilitarism.blogspot.com/2011/09/h-surnames-germanic-emigrants-1870-1920.html) It listed the surname as Hankz.
From written stories by Harry's Eldest daughter he met his wife in Glasgow via his sister Emily. They were apparently good friends. Agnes was married at the time and they didnt marry until her husband died. He didnt talk much about his background but had a distinct accent. Family though him to be German or Danish.
Below is his marriage certificate and death certificate
Because I found the records of him working aboard ships in Australia and he married in Australia in Victoria I attributed a Naturalisation certificate to him which listed his birthplace as Groseneder. On closer observation the timeline didnt fit and then I found a death certificate in Bendigo for a Heinrich Henke. This shows me there was a distinct possibility I was follwoing the wrong Heinrich.
When I found the three Henke families travelling to New Zealand via Glasgow I wondered if there was a possibility not all continued or some returned to Glasgow.
This of course will prove my theory wrong if Heinrich and Emily came to NZ and records of their lives there exist.
Any help you can throw on this would be appreciated. I will order his marriage certificate for the second marriage and see if it has any further info but from what I can see he listed his birthplace as Glasgow for all records I have found.
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Hi
Thanks for the additional information and copies of certs.
Did you realise that the right-hand portion of the marriage certificate, is missing from your image ?
(It's the important part too because included in that section are the names of Bride's and groom's parents. :) )
What you have pictured below the first part of Harry and Agnes' record > which is numbered 9052 > is the first part of the record for a couple named BARROW and MIDDLETON (married on the same day - with their record being numbered 9053.)
* Do you still have the image of the marriage 1893 that was sent to you ?
[Usually there are three marriages on each image of these VIC records (although you're only paying for one, they send you a copy of the full page on which the one you've ordered, appears.] And they read across the page from left to right with a dividing section which bears a stamp with another number.
~ Lu
* Edited for further clarity.
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Hello
... just wanted to point out some good news :) re: the marriage record (image) you'e posted ... the last column is "Birthplace" and it does state he was born in GERMANY !!! ;D I just can't quite decipher the "place" name as yet. (And that would have come from information that Harry supplied.)
But yeah ... it's the other half of the image (bearing the parental details) that's really needed now so that we can progress your search and determine whether the New Zealand connection fits. :)
Yes, I had earlier looked at that blog, but the information was scant and it didn't give a source.
It is always though worthwhile collecting all the bits and pieces you find, as sometimes they fit the "jigsaw".
I hadn't been aware from your earlier posts that you had written family information for Harry (and Agnes) ... and that can be very useful too in it's own way.
As for the Naturalisation of a Heinrich HENKE - it gave his age and date of the event - so he could be discounted from the search. And somebody had found his death in Victoria early 1900's.
~ Lu
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Hello iwonder_who
Are you still wanting information regarding the HANKEY / HENKE family ??
~ Lu
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Hi there Lucy! Yes still following this family. :-) Yvonne
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Hi Yvonne
Not sure whether perhaps you missed some information I posted earlier ?? ;)
If you haven't already, then please read my Reply # 30 which refers to the Marriage certificate you have for STANTON - HANKS - 1893. :)
Having the other portion of this certificate (i.e. the right-hand piece) - which bears the names of Harry HANKS' parents, - is, I believe, the key to helping identify whether or not he was part of the HENKE/HANKEY family who went to Dunedin, NZ.
* Also, did you purchase a copy of the 2nd marriage (in WA) for your Harry HANKS ??
Await your reply.
~ Lu
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Hi again Lucy
Here is the photo in full, Have also attached his death certificate. Im not sure about the details the next of kin at the time advised.
Has anyone got death details for the NZ Heinrich Henke. If they do that totally discounts my theory.
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Hopefully it will load this time
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Hi Yvonne ... yes it loaded okay ... BUT ;D
... what we need is the right-hand side of the certificate for the STANTON - HANKS marriage 1893.
You'll see the part you've posted > has the number > 9052 > so it's the other portion (the right-hand side of that) which we need.
It should look a bit like this --->
9052 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Place of * * * * * * * * * * * * * * **
Birth -- > -- > -- > -- > -- >
[We've got this side !! ;D ] It's this side of cert we need !!! :)
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(Disregard the information for 9053 as it related to another couple.)
Hope that helps ? ;)
~ Lu
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Im a little confused when you scroll across the image you can see the right hand side.
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Hi Yvonne
Did you order the 1893 marriage record from Public Record Office of Victoria ?
~ Lu
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... Yvonne .... I'll stay online for a while and try to talk you through this :)
~ Lu
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Yvonne I see you are now offline at the moment, so I will endeavour to find a copy of a VIC marriage entry of the same era to show you what it looks like.
~ Lu
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Yvonne ... click on the link below to see an image of a Victoria marriage registration from 1893 which is in the same format as the one you have for STANTON-HANKS.
https://fanningfamilyhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/Margaret-Torpey-Marriage-William-Knighton-1893-cropped1.jpg
You'll see from this, how the image is divided (vertically) into two sections (with a stamped reference number placed in between to two sections.
In your case the stamped number on your image is > 511 > ) The record reads across the page. Both these sections make up the full record.
So what we need from the record you have > # 9052 > is the information from the right-hand side of the number > 511 > (which is stamped on the STANTON HANKS image ).
~ Lu
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Oh my gosh!!! After all the times I have looked at this I never looked to the right! I assumed the coipy had four marriages on it not 2! Unbelievable. This immediately disproves the NZ connection as here he lists his fathers name as Peter whereas later one states his fathers name was Heinrich.
Ive attached the FULL CERTIFICATE.
So hard to read... am thinking parents are Peter and B.... ? Interesting that Agnes Stanton lists her parents as William and Mary Stanton. She was a widow, born Agnes Brown with parents William and Mary Brown.
oh Lucy i feel so silly and so delighted at the same time as I can now delve a little deeper! Thank you so much