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Benjamin Hall (1781-1847)a lawyer of Buxted Lodge founded St Mark's church https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mark%27s_Church,_Hadlow_Down (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Mark%27s_Church,_Hadlow_Down) in Buxted East Sussex.
My research on his parents is not proving fruitful. He was born in Southwark as was his younger sister Frances in 1786. I believe he was married to Angela Pugh in Southwark on 19 Mar 1816. He had formerly lived with his sister on Nelson Square in Southwark.
I assume that because he later moved to the large house in Buxted, that he inherited it and that it was his father's home? Wikipedia says he was related to Charles Lang Huggins, and I know that the Huggins are of that village.
Any help much appreciated
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Hi for at least my own bookmark, in 1841 census :-
Benjamin Hall 55 occ Solicitor b Surrey
Angela 45 Not born in County
Residing with others at Grosvenor Place, Camberwell New Road, Surrey
Census ref HO107/1056/ 7/30 / 2
Keyboard86
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Hi I see a Widowed Angela Hall aged 59 b London, Middlesex is at Buxted Lodge in 1851 census HO107/1640/600/20
Keyboard86
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Wikipedia says he was related to Charles Lang Huggins, and I know that the Huggins are of that village.
Thomas Huggins married Frances Rowsell, a niece of Benjamin Hall, in 1843
See https://goo.gl/98tJpq
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Familysearch has the Marriage 12 October 1843, Hadlow Down, Sussex
Both Fathers are Thomas
Possible Christening F/S.Org
FRANCES Rowsell 28 Dec 1819, Christ Church, Southwark, London to THOMAS/FRANCES
Marriage;
Thomas Rowsell Esq/Frances Hall
Spouse Frances Hall
12 Mar 1816, Christ Church, Southwark
A Witness was BENJ Hall
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1861 Census
2 Kendal Place,
Lambeth, Surrey
FRANCES Rowsell, 74, Head, Widow, Landed Proprietor, born Southwark, Surrey (1787)***
Angela M Rowsell, 38, Daug
Edward P Rowsell, 34, Son
Martha Loveless, 22, Servant
Sarah Ann Fawcett, 23, Servant
1851 she is born c 1787 South, Surrey
FRANCES Hall Christened 18th July 1786, St George the Martyr's, Southwark, Surrey
Parents BENJ and MARY
(birth 21 June 1786)
Siblings Christenings on F/S.Org;
MARY 6 July 1779
BENJ OLIVER 12 Nov 1781***********
CHARLES MARSON 8 Nov 1782
SARAH 21 Oct 1783
HENRY 15 March 1785
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Sorry didnt read your posting properly and you have most of this :-[
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Was his baptism the one in 1781 at St. George The Martyr, son of Benjamin Hall and Mary?
In 1811 there was a Benjamin Hall who was a special pleader, which I believe was under the Bar, so he may have been called at some stage. Presumably, this could have been either father or son. I think I would find which Inn of Court he was called at, and you should then find some details about parentage, etc., in the admission register.
There was also a Benjamin Hall who was a saddler in Piccadilly.
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Was his baptism the one in 1781 at St. George The Martyr, son of Benjamin Hall and Mary?
In 1811 there was a Benjamin Hall who was a special pleader, which I believe was under the Bar, so he may have been called at some stage. Presumably, this could have been either father or son. I think I would find which Inn of Court he was called at, and you should then find some details about parentage, etc., in the admission register.
There was also a Benjamin Hall who was a saddler in Piccadilly.
I think it probably was.
How would I find the inn of court? I know he, John Mourilyan and William Bertram Bishop had a solicitors partnership based on 42 Great James-Street, Bedford-Row in 1834.
If his father was a London lawyer too then I guess Buxted didn't come into the equation until later?
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Sorry didnt read your posting properly and you have most of this :-[
Thanks anyway
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Wurding, thanks for your reply. I should stress that there is no guarantee that Benjamin Hall the special pleader was either your man or his father. However, it could offer a way forward if you are otherwise stuck.
I believe special pleaders could practise without having been called to the Bar, but he may have been called later. You could begin with the (printed) Law List for 1811 and work forwards annually until you find a Benjamin Hall listed among the barristers. (There may be more than one.) It should give the date he was called to the Bar and, I think, the inn of court. Depending
which inn of court it was, you could then consult the admission register, some of which are easy to access.
In the same 1811 directory (Holden's) is listed Benjamin Hall and Thos. Lodington, attornies, of 1 King's Bench Walk, Inner Temple - perhaps a candidate for being the son.
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Watson,
I realise it's not of much help but Thomas Lodington, the attorney/solicitor was my 5th Great Grandfather. He was also for a time a Secondary of the Court of the Common Pleas.
I have this in my notes:
Notice is hereby given, that the Partnership lately subsisting
between Thomas Lodington and Benjamin Hall,
of No. 2, Serjeant's-Inn, Fleet-Street, in the City of London,
Solicitors, is this day dissolved by mutual consent.—
Dated this 27th day of October 1825.
Thos. .Lodington.
Benjn. Hall.
Best regards,
James Yeowell
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Wurding,
I note the following comment written by yourself: "How would I find the inn of court? I know he, John Mourilyan and William Bertram Bishop had a solicitors partnership based on 42 Great James-Street, Bedford-Row in 1834." - note, Hall, Bishop and Mourilyan were also in partnership at Verulam Buildings, Gray's Inn.
I'd therefore suggest Benjamin Hall was with Gray's Inn.
William Bertram Bishop was married to Sarah Ellen Lodington, daughter of Thomas Lodington and Ann Day. Thomas Lodington was the same individual I mentioned in my previous comment above and is thus the solicitor/attorney in partnership with Benjamin Hall.
William Bertram Bishop died on 4 June 1843.
I therefore am fairly sure Benjamin Hall is related to your Benjamin Hall, of Buxted Hall, due to the links to William Bertram Bishop and Thomas Lodington.
I hope this helps.
Best regards,
James Yeowell
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Thank you James.
Do you know what year Benjamin Hall, John Mourilyan and William Bertram Bishop were listed at Gray's Inn?
I am sure this relates to Benjamin Hall the younger and not his father of the same name though.
edit: i see them listed in The Royal Court Guide, and Fashionable Directory, 1842. Benjamin Hall, W.B. Bishop and J.N Mourilyan esqurs. at Verulan buildings, Grays Inn rd.
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As noted earlier, in 1811 Benjamin Hall and Thomas Lodington were attornies at 1 King's Bench Walk, Inner Temple.
This is a different Benjamin Hall from the special pleader, who in 1811 had London addresses at 7 Old Square, Lincoln's Inn and 14 Upper Gower Street.
I'm not sure James' reason for preferring Gray's Inn is valid, since, by a similar argument, Inner Temple and Lincoln's Inn are also mentioned above! The Gray's Inn admission register is on-line, and could easily be checked.
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I'm not sure James' reason for preferring Gray's Inn is valid, since, by a similar argument, Inner Temple and Lincoln's Inn are also mentioned above! The Gray's Inn admission register is on-line, and could easily be checked.
I concur. I realised after I posted that there were references to Inner Temple and Lincoln's Inn as well.
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Do you know what year Benjamin Hall, John Mourilyan and William Bertram Bishop were listed at Gray's Inn?
I found reference here, from 1841: http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/digital/api/collection/p16445coll4/id/26057/download
There's also reference here to what appears to be the passing of an examination by George James Bowyer (under Joseph Noakes Mourilyan) and Nicholas Henry Rowsell (son of John Thomas Rowsell and under both William Bertram Bishop and Benjamin Hall) at Trinity Term 1845: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=T_0uAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=William+Bertram+Bishop+verulam&source=bl&ots=IRj8e-RLBe&sig=ACfU3U0TOiPHGPjDQJXVvdzk5RrkbA0Ixw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBi_LltfnwAhUQnhQKHQrzD-cQ6AEwA3oECAIQAw#v=onepage&q=William%20Bertram%20Bishop%20verulam&f=false
This also lists Benjamin Hall as also of Baxter, Sussex.
I presume therefore that by 1845, Hall, Bishop and Mourilyan had dissolved and it was now Bishop and Hall. Although W. B. Bishop was still operating out of 2 Verulam Buildings, Gray's Inn.
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For your notes:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iBQvAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA360&lpg=PA360&dq=Joseph+Noakes+Mourilyan&source=bl&ots=KGPafh5AfI&sig=ACfU3U35Un4ob5Hdwn8Nz33giyPpLWWePw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimuq7suvnwAhUKnhQKHeoODp0Q6AEwEnoECBIQAw#v=onepage&q=Joseph%20Noakes%20Mourilyan&f=false
This is Joseph Noakes Mourilyan's notice of becoming an Attorney in 1833. He was assigned to William Bertram Bishop, of 2 Serjeant's Inn, so it seems he and Joseph were acquainted in 1833.
Of note is Joseph Noakes Mourilyan's father John Mourilyan was also a Solicitor but he died aged 27 in 1811.
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Hello, wurding!
Benjamin Hall (1781-1847) was a son of Benjamin Hall, Keeper of the County Gaol for Surrey, Saint George's, Southwark, and his wife, Mary, and was baptized at Southwark in 1781.
The father's will was proved in P.C.C. in 1789. In it his wife, Mary, and children Frances, Henry and Benjamin are named.
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Hello, wurding!
Benjamin Hall (1781-1847) was a son of Benjamin Hall, Keeper of the County Gaol for Surrey, Saint George's, Southwark, and his wife, Mary, and was baptized at Southwark in 1781.
The father's will was proved in P.C.C. in 1789. In it his wife, Mary, and children Frances, Henry and Benjamin are named.
Thank you for this!
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For your notes:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=iBQvAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA360&lpg=PA360&dq=Joseph+Noakes+Mourilyan&source=bl&ots=KGPafh5AfI&sig=ACfU3U35Un4ob5Hdwn8Nz33giyPpLWWePw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwimuq7suvnwAhUKnhQKHeoODp0Q6AEwEnoECBIQAw#v=onepage&q=Joseph%20Noakes%20Mourilyan&f=false
This is Joseph Noakes Mourilyan's notice of becoming an Attorney in 1833. He was assigned to William Bertram Bishop, of 2 Serjeant's Inn, so it seems he and Joseph were acquainted in 1833.
Of note is Joseph Noakes Mourilyan's father John Mourilyan was also a Solicitor but he died aged 27 in 1811.
Thank you