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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Tony Williams on Thursday 16 March 17 16:35 GMT (UK)
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I have a great grandmother called Nora Irwin(she was born, I think, as a Dwane) but I can't seem to find her birth record or death records anywhere. She would of most likely have been born somewhere around Cork, about 1897. She married Thomas Carroll, in 1930, in Kildorrey and had five children with him.
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A possible
There is in 1911 a Nora Dwane aged 13 the granddaughter of Ellen Shanahan (widow) living in Ballyhooly Cork Ireland, just the two of them. Says she was born in Co Cork
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Thanks for that information. But I would also like to try and find the information of Noras mother, as Ellen Shanahan is her grandmother. How would I do this?
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Try looking for her in 1901 here [it's free] she might be with her mother
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/
Have you looked on familysearch.org or https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ for her birth or baptism?
ADDED from the latter website it appears she married Thomas Irwin in 1928
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1930/09053/5275558.pdf
Party 1 Name Thomas Irwin
Party 2 Name Nora Dwane
Date of Event 29 September 1928
Group Registration ID 1329050
SR District/Reg Area Kilmallock
both living Upper Sunville Ardpatrick
THomas' father David Irwin labourer
Nora's father James Dwane labourer
witnesses Tom Dwane, Kitty Dwane
so looking for possible marriage of James Dwane to find mother....
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I actually found a Nora Dwane, but her surname differs, as she is down as Dwan, but she is living with her grandmother Ellen and Ellen's two children, which I have no idea which one her parent is.
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her grandmother Ellen and Ellen's two children, which I have no idea which one her parent is.
Both son and daughter are called Shanahan so may not be Nora's parent....
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True. But I think I read somewhere, that Julia, the daughter of Ellen and whose name is down on the website you suggested, is the mother of Nora.
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It would be helpful if you could remember where the 'somewhere' that you read it was....also tell us where you have looked to save any more duplication of effort...I will look again for a birth.
ADDED: her name may have been Hanora....with Nora for short.
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Think I may have saw it on here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=593545.0, not sure though as I read through it rather quickly.
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OK thanks. here is a snippet from that thread
Nora was born in 1897 in Castletownroche under name of Shanahan. She is in Ballyhooly in 1901 and 1911 census under the name of Dwan. I have the birth certificate (although only from the Cork genealogy website). It is rumoured that she was born from a relationship between Julia Shanahan and a farm worker called Dwan. Her mother Ellen Shanahan named herself as mother on the birth certificate to stop any rumours, although she called her a Dwan afterwards.
May be worth sending a personal message to beamobhoy [click the text icon under their profile on that thread] as a fair amount of research seems to have been done - and certificates are held. Worth finding out the source of the 'rumours'
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But if it's Dwan, where on earth did Dwane come from? I know you probably won't know the answer to this. Thanks for your help.
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It may just be the way someone wrote it down [could Ellen the grandmother write?] or heard it. Compared to some, this is a very uncomplicated variation :).
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I think she couldn't write, quite sure I read that somewhere. Anyway, would there be any chance I could track down her father's family, without actually knowing anything or is that just beyond impossible??
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I think she couldn't write, quite sure I read that somewhere. Anyway, would there be any chance I could track down her father's family, without actually knowing anything or is that just beyond impossible??
Unless the father (or alleged father) is named on a birth or baptism record, or the mother sued the father for maintenance, you would only find 'possibles'. DWAN could be transcribed as DWANE or DWAIN or even DEVANE.
To be honest, the likelihood of finding the father is very remote.
Philip
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Well put, Philip.
Tony - I think you answered your own question :)
would there be any chance I could track down her father's family, without actually knowing anything or is that just beyond impossible??
Did you contact beamobhoy, who I think has as much information as can be found?
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Reading the other thread re. Nora (via the link) surely it can't be the same person?
Their Nora married a Patrick McCarthy and you say yours married a Thomas Carroll (although you state Irwin on this other thread).
I'm confused!
Annette