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Title: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: Echo_x on Wednesday 15 March 17 03:46 GMT (UK)
Ella McDonald
1913   
New South Wales   
Goulburn

I want to access the record for information on family members, residence etc.

McDonald is her maiden name. She should be young and perhaps living with her father.

Thanks
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:01 GMT (UK)
NSW ER 1913 GOULBURN, polling at Crookwell

Ella McDONALD, Crookwell, domestic duties.

There's many others with that surname at that locality, but the roll does not give a street or road address, nor a status re marriage, nor the age of the elector.  The roll is in alphabetical order, and not by household.  In 1913, it was not compulsory to enrol, and you needed to be aged 21 years and over and a British Subject. 

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:04 GMT (UK)
Sands NSW Country Directory 1914
McDONALD George, Son & Co, gen. merchants, Crookwell.

http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:07 GMT (UK)
Sands NSW Commercial Directory 1919
CROOKWELL
McDONALD Geo., Son & Co, Store
McDONALD Charles I, Farmer
McDONALD  Ira A Farmer
McDONALD O.B. Mercer

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: cupoflife on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:09 GMT (UK)
Is this your line?
Goulburn Evening Penny Post 11 March 1940 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/106141822
MRS. A.L McDONALD - Mrs. Annie Laurie McDonald, of Clifford Street, died on Friday night after a protracted illness. The late Mrs McDonald, who was born at Bigga, was a member of the McGuinness family, of that centre. She resided at Crookwell for many years, but during the past 17 years had resided ln this city. In addition to her husband, she is survived by three daughters, Ella (Goulburn), Mrs. R. Blue and Mrs. L. Franklin, both of Sydney, and one son Tom (Goulburn). The internment took place privately yesterday at the Crookwell Cemetery.

Probate notice http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/103798086
Probate packet can contain useful information often includes a death certificate.
https://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/item/646739
Item number Series 4-249416
Description: Annie Laurie McDonald - Date of Death 08/03/1940, Granted on 10/06/1940

Goulburn Evening Post 7 Nov 1944 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/103143788
OBITUARY
MR. J. R. McDONALD
The death occurred on Saturday last of Mr John Robert McDonald, of 62 Clifford Street.
The late Mr. McDonald was born at "The Diamond", Laggan, 80 years ago, and has lived in the Crookwell and Goulburn districts all his life. He had been living in retirement in Goulburn for several years, and was well known in this city. A family of three daughters and one son survive. Daughters are Miss Ella McDonald, 62 Clifford St; Mrs Blue (Bondi) and Mrs Franklin (Bondi). The son, Thomas, is a member of the A.M.F. There is one grand-daughter, June Blue (Bondi). The late Mr. McDonald's wife and one son predeceased him. The funeral took place yesterday to the Rookwood Crematorium.

Goulburn Evening Post 31 Aug 1949 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/104544595
MISS I. E. McDONALD
After a long illness, Miss Irene Ella McDonald, of 62 Clifford Street, Goulburn, died in St. John of God Hospital last night. Miss McDonald, who kept a boarding house, was well known throughout the Goulburn and Crookwell districts. She was born at Crookwell but had lived in Goulburn for over 30 years. She is survived by two sisters, Mrs. R. Blue and Mrs. L. Franklin (Bondi), and a brother Thomas, of Goulburn.
Following a service to-morrow afternoon in St. Saviour's Cathedral the cortege will leave for the Anglican cemetery, Crookwell. Rev. Canon G. Nell, of Crookwell, will officiate at the burial.

Probate notice http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/104545326
Probate packet can contain useful information often includes a death certificate
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/769132
Item number Series 4-356284
Description: Irene Ella McDonald - Date of Death 30/08/1949, Granted on 17/10/1949
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:11 GMT (UK)
NSW ER 1902 WERRIWA polling at Crookwell
McDONALD  (all address reads is “Crookwell” for all the following)
Annie Laurie,F (female)  domestic duties  (dd)
Christina, F, dd
Clara,F, dd
Edith, F, dd
George, Storekeeper
John Robert, junior, labourer
William, coach proprietor
William Morton, store assistant


JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: cando on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:13 GMT (UK)
Electoral rolls do not indicate if people are family members.

Australian Electoral Roll
1913  Goulburn/Crookwell
McDONALD Annie Lawrie  Crookwell  Home duties
McDONALD Christina  Crookwell  HD
McDONALD Clara  Crookwell  HD
McDONALD Charles Iness  Crookwell  Farmer
McDONALD Ella    Crookwell  HD
McDONALD Emilie  Crookwell  HD
McDONALD George  Crookwell  Storekeeper
McDONALD George  Crookwell  Shop assistant
McDONALD Ira Ambrose  Crookwell  Farmer
McDONALD Mary  Crookwell  HD
McDONALD Muriel Vera  Crookwell  HD
McDONALD William Morton Crookwell  Storekeeper

Cando
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:20 GMT (UK)

Probate Packet for Ella

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/769132

ADD
Perhaps Cup was modifying/adding the following when I was posting.  Sorry for duplicating.

https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/769132
Item number Series 4-356284
Description: Irene Ella McDonald - Date of Death 30/08/1949, Granted on 17/10/1949

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: cupoflife on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:25 GMT (UK)
Sorry JM, did not get red warning of post
May be useful
http://yewenyi.net/FH/22346.html
http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/John_Robert_McDonald_(1864-1944)
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: cupoflife on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:34 GMT (UK)
This looks like a connected line http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=732225.9
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: Echo_x on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:41 GMT (UK)
Is this your line?
Goulburn Evening Penny Post 11 March 1940 http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/106141822
MRS. A.L McDONALD - Mrs. Annie Laurie McDonald, of Clifford Street, died on Friday night after a protracted illness. The late Mrs McDonald, who was born at Bigga, was a member of the McGuinness family, of that centre. She resided at Crookwell for many years, but during the past 17 years had resided ln this city. In addition to her husband, she is survived by three daughters, Ella (Goulburn),'


Doesn't look like my line. This one is tricky as her father changed his name from McDonald to Stuart at some point
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 04:55 GMT (UK)
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Doesn't look like my line. This one is tricky as her father changed his name from McDonald to Stuart at some point

May I ask some questions....

 :) What were her father's given names?   Who was her mum? Did Ella have siblings in NSW ... if so, names/places of birth, any other info to share?
 :) What other information do you have about your Ella McDONALD that points to the Goulburn district pre WWI?
 :) Do you have reason to believe Ella McDONALD was known as Ella STUART?

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 05:26 GMT (UK)
Ella McDonald
1913   
New South Wales   
Goulburn

I want to access the record for information on family members, residence etc.

McDonald is her maiden name. She should be young and perhaps living with her father.

Thanks

Is this young Ella McDONALD part of the family in the following thread? http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=725166.0   

Is her dad the chap mentioned in this post?
I have come across new information regarding Henry William Stuart. Previous name 'MacDonald'.
.................

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: Echo_x on Wednesday 15 March 17 05:42 GMT (UK)
Yes, that thread is also mine. It gives a lot of information that I already have on the family.
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: Echo_x on Wednesday 15 March 17 05:48 GMT (UK)
[.....
Doesn't look like my line. This one is tricky as her father changed his name from McDonald to Stuart at some point

May I ask some questions....

 :) What were her father's given names?   Who was her mum? Did Ella have siblings in NSW ... if so, names/places of birth, any other info to share?
 :) What other information do you have about your Ella McDONALD that points to the Goulburn district pre WWI?
 :) Do you have reason to believe Ella McDONALD was known as Ella STUART?

JM

:) Father: Henry William Stuart born McDonald
:) Mother: Mary Amelia Kershaw
:) Ella Purdie Stuart married Henry Mowbray Michael in Fiji Sep 16 1889. She could have been named Ella Purdie Stuart at birth for all I know.
:) Family research points to New South Wales. Crookwell, Goulburn is indicated as her place of birth in another Ancestry members family tree.
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 05:52 GMT (UK)
Is this your lass's New Zealand birth in 1896?

1896/1816 MACDONALD  Ella 
mum as Hannah and dad as William Donald Stuart

If so, in 1913, she was not yet old enough to be on any electoral roll anywhere in Australia, as she needed to be at least 21 years of age. 

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: Echo_x on Wednesday 15 March 17 05:57 GMT (UK)
Ella Purdie Stuart/ McDonald would have been born around 1871. But then again I could be wrong entirely..
But Ella married Henry Mowbray Michael in Fiji, 1889. So she would have been born a lot earlier than that date.
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 06:02 GMT (UK)
So born about 1871 .... ummm .... not young, in 1913 she would be aged about 42...

You have her as married to  Henry Mowbray Michael  in Fiji in 1889.   What was Henry's surname and would Ella have been using his surname in 1913?

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: Echo_x on Wednesday 15 March 17 06:05 GMT (UK)
Henry's Surname was Michael. She would have taken his last name with marriage I think.
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: Echo_x on Wednesday 15 March 17 06:05 GMT (UK)
Ah.. silly me.. thanls for pointing that out!

Henry's Surname was Michael. She would have taken his last name with marriage I think.
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Wednesday 15 March 17 06:13 GMT (UK)
 :)  Easy slip, not to worry.   But you may find it can be easily avoided if you type up surnames in CAPITAL letters, not just to give them emphasis, but also to help when looking back.   :-X  There's many family history buffs who have searched under the wrong surname.  I say no more, but umm you can guess why I asked the question. :-X  :-X  :-X

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: Robert Coble on Thursday 16 March 17 02:28 GMT (UK)
Could this be Ella their

9960/1872 MACDONALD UNNAMED HENRY WILLIAM MARY GOULBURN
This is the only one with out a name born to Henry William and Mary MacDonald

Marriage: 2022/1864 MACDONALD  HENRY WILLIAM  KERSHAW MARY GOULBURN

Children:
8819/1865 MACDONALD EMMA A HENRY MARY GOULBURN
 
9084/1868 MACDONALD HENRY J  HENRY W MARY GOULBURN
 
8550/1866 MACDONALD ADA J HENRY W MARY GOULBURN
 
10719/1869 MACDONALD CECIL W HENRY W MARY GOULBURN
 
10097/1870 MACDONALD ELLEN WYATT HENRY WILLIAM MARY GOULBURN
 
9960/1872 MACDONALD UNNAMED HENRY WILLIAM MARY GOULBURN
 
10568/1873 MACDONALD REGINALD STUART HENRY WILLIAM MARY GOULBURN
 
11157/1874 MACDONALD ALBERT ESSINGTON  HENRY WILLIAM MARY GOULBURN


I did came across this one for Carcoar there  8872/1871  MACDONALD UNNAMED THOMAS MARY CARCOAR



CARCOAR
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: majm on Thursday 16 March 17 02:36 GMT (UK)
And an official transcription of that may well provide quality details about when and where the baby's parents married, occupation, home address, details of older siblings to the baby whose birth is being registered.... 

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx#transcription

JM
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: pamwashere on Monday 22 May 17 17:46 BST (UK)
My notes say that Ella Purdy Stuart was the third daughter of Henry William Stuart. Perhaps she is the same person as Ellen Wyatt Stuart/McDonald?  The unnamed child born 1872 is probably the infant female who died the same year, and anyway was not the third (known!) daughter.
Title: Re: REQUEST: Australia Electoral Roll 1913 Look up: Ella McDonald, Goulburn NSW
Post by: Echo_x on Friday 18 February 22 12:54 GMT (UK)
My notes say that Ella Purdy Stuart was the third daughter of Henry William Stuart. Perhaps she is the same person as Ellen Wyatt Stuart/McDonald?  The unnamed child born 1872 is probably the infant female who died the same year, and anyway was not the third (known!) daughter.


Pam, you say that in your notes, Ella is the third daughter. Do you know where you came across that information? Also, here's me wondering how I can access Name Change records... Any ideas?

Echo