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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: girlstitcher on Sunday 12 March 17 19:08 GMT (UK)
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Hoping someone may be able to help me find my x2 great grandfather.......he is named the father of Pauline Amelia Valliant (my great grandmother )born 1857 died 1911.......her mother was Christiana Richards......born 1826 Hackey area.....so far have not found a marriage certificate if they married at all.....bit confused by it all really
There is a George Valliant born 1820 and died 1864 Bermondsey area.....but his marriage was to an Ann Denney in 1856. I am sure it is not him
Any help or suggestions would be much appreciated
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he is named the father of Pauline Amelia Valliant
No birth reg for Pauline so are you referring to her marriage cert
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(my great grandmother )born 1857 died 1911
1851 - not 1857 and Vaillant not Valliant
Births December qtr 1851
VAILLANT Pauline Amelia Strand 1 439
Still no marriage though ???
EDIT
Let's rule that birth out
Deaths December qtr 1852
VAILLANT Pauline Amelia Holborn 1b 272
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Maiden name search on GRO shows her mothers mmn was Satchwell
See edit above
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a bit more info here...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=393091.msg470595#msg470595
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1879 marriage cert shows father George - deceased - occ horse dealer
Spouse Arthur Albert Poynter was 22yrs old and Pauline is shown as 21
Can't find any death in 1911
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Thanks Claire
Interesting to see on that post
GGM is Pauline Amelia Valliant born 1859, on her birth certificate her father is George Valliant general labourer and her mother is Christina Richards living at Park Row East Street Walworth.
The only Pauline Amelia birth in 1859 was surname Goldstein and there is no 1859 birth as Valliant
This post says she was born 1857 but again - no birth reg??
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Don't know if this has anything to do with it
Pauline A Pointer
death Southwark
1911 March qtr
aged 47
But that would make her birth way off
Louisa Maud
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I think that is the right death referred to in the opening post but the surname on the 1879 marriage cert is Poynter although the 2005 post refers to Pointer
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On the 1881 census, she is "Porline"?!
Class: RG11; Piece: 545; Folio: 5; Page: 3
4 Richmond Street, St Mary Newington
Pointer, Arthur Albert Head M 24 Carman b Newington, Surrey
Pointer, Porline Emily Wife F 22 b Newington
Pointer, Florrie Louisa Daughter F 9 months b Walworth
Daughter's birth:
POYNTER, FLORA LOUISA Mother's Maiden Name: VALIANT
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in ST SAVIOUR SURREY Volume 01D Page 134
Arthur is a widower in 1891?!
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Strange.
EVERARD, CHRISTIAN mmn RICHARDS
1855 S Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 86
VALLIANT, PAULINA AMELIA mmn RICHARDS
1859 S Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 220
EVERARD, SARAH ANN mmn RICHARDS
1864 J Quarter in ST GEORGE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 117
When Louisa EVERARD marries Walter GLEN in 1877 Pauline Val*nt is one of the witnesses.
I can't find a birth for Louisa as Everard either. ::)
Maureen
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Thankyou all for your reply.....in a way I am pleased you think it is strange........I haven't found another George Valliant either....I have my GGM death certificate and her marriage certificates that state George is her father.
Her name on the 1881 census was transcribed wrongly as Porline, and she did have a sister called Florrie....so I know these are correct
The name Pointer/Poynter seems to have changed over the years but are the same family....I have made sure by having certificates as well.
It seems her mother Christiana Richards either lived or married with William Everard on a few of the census they are named as Everard......but when the daughters marry they refer back to the name s they were born ? with
I do feel confused andhitting my head against the proverbial brick wall
Thanks for all help and suggestions I will go down any avenue to get somewhere close to the facts
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Her name on the 1881 census was transcribed wrongly as Porline, and she did have a sister called Florrie....so I know these are correct
No, no, no!
She had a DAUGHTER called Flora! ;D
And don't get hung up over spellings?
On nearly all documents, it was someone else writing names - Enumerator, vicar, Registrar and so forth.
Finally, in England & Wales at lease, it is legal to call yourself anything you like - just as long as there is no intention to deceive or defraud.
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Yes sorry my mistake her daughter was Florrie