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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: genadeltoro on Saturday 11 March 17 13:14 GMT (UK)
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Anyone have any info on this place? It was at 78 Lower Drumcondra Road Dublin. Was investigated as a mother and baby home I think.
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st Josephs was a private nursing home run by nurse gallagher, registered midwife, not a mother & baby home. babies were born there the same as if the woman went to a maternity hospital - don't think mothers stayed there and apparently the private nursing homes were expensive.
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and why was it investigated?
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who investigated? where did you find that information
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here: http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Women/WG/righthealth/WS/ARA_JFMR.pdf
My mother born there. and adopted. birth cert falsified.
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found this online too:
Selected Poem by Anne Fitzgerald
The Price of 1965, Near Archbishop Palace
Under November’s wet darkness you enter
Drumcondra’s tree lined respectability, push
in a low silver gate towards St. Joseph’s
fanlight guiding you up its diamond aisle
like a nave to this red bricked three story
Georgian door nurse Gallagher opens. Lets
night in and the one you carry day ‘n night
for nine months to this anaglyptic hallway,
narrow as a birth canal, dimly lit shadows
climb walls, little by little, beyond return
to a top box room. Do you lift the sash
window, let the outside in, or not come
out till I leave your womb, hurting as if
the man who left half the idea of me.
Roses ramble your wallpaper incarceration,
traces branches that do not match
like how this came to pass and the unlikely
bonds that will betray. And as your waters
break your pelvic floor widens what
will be given up, what’ll not be talked
of becomes clear, as I appear crown first
under the eye of the sacred heart’s red light
into the hands of nurse Gallagher, who
cuts our cord, (according to a well buried
birth certificate up in Werburgh Street); who
hands me over for a fist full of Lady Laverys
rolled up in a black velvet band like a Roman
candle, to a nun in a Hillman making for the ferry.
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did you read that document? not an investigation - a submission about the narrow focus. none of the maternity nursing homes were included.
how was the birth cert falsified?
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the poem paints a very sad picture,, thanks for posting
i'm curious about how the BC was falsified & how you discovered it. any information you have would be very helpful to others on here
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This new s very fresh for me so I am trying to process it to be honest. I got the cert on Friday. My mother was born in 1948 and died in 1980. I know she was adopted.
The people who adopted her are on the cert. I don't even have a clue what to do next.
Any people who could have answered my questions are dead. So, I am at a total loss right now. The registrar on the cert is a Maurice Fitzgerald. She was
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It sounds as though you have the birth certificate that was issued after she was adopted? How soon after the date of birth was the certificate issued?
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RE birth cert - not an uncommon happening I have come across a number of people whose birth certs were falsified e.g. parents listed were adoptive/foster parents not birth mother or birth parents. Adoption was not given legal status in Ireland until 1953. Before that informal arrangements were made . However the authorities should have been notified that children were being fostered or cared for.
annclare
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Thanks for that.
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@agahadowey. date of birth was 2/7 registered on 5/7.
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Just a couple of thoughts - You could try for a Baptismal record in Drumcondra church- might give natural mother's name but not always. also suggest you contact Tusla and inquire if they have any records from the nursing home. They mainly have adoption records but if would be worthwhile inquiring - http://www.tusla.ie/services/alternative-care/adoption-services/tracing-service/
Good Luck
annclare
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It is good to see the Poet Anne Fitzgerald's poem 'The Price of 1965, near Archbishop Palace,' here. Although the line breaks are not correctly represented here as written by the poet in that Salmon anthology.
Notwithstanding I gather her new collection in the Fall will deal with this issue and that of Adoption in 1960's Dublin/Ireland.
So are you stating that the adoption is illegal? And if so why?
Also I can't help but wonder how much it cost to attend Nurse Gallagher's private Nursing Home back then? Any indication would be grateful.
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Nurse Gallagher's son still lives at #78. He states all birth records were handed over to the HSE after her Death in 1966.
Yet the HSE apparently do not have any records from 78 Lower Drumcondra Road.
So, where our records? Who holds Nurse Gallagher's birth records? Their whereabouts must be known to someone or some organisation?
Any suggestions?
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Genadeltoro,
You might like to consider making contact with the Adoption Right Alliance. They have an excellent site which may in fact help to guide you in seeking answers.
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My father was born there in1946, the address is on his birth certificate.
The odd thing is all the rest of his siblings were born 70 odd miles away in the family home, he’s the first born of the second marriage, he has two older siblings born in the first marriage ( 4 and 5 yrs older).
our theory is that he was born out of wedlock, and that they later married and had the rest of the family.
Would this make sense, or could there be another explanation
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Hi all
I have been trying to find my Mammys roots and I came across this forum and it has really startled me.
If what is said on here is true:
1. Birth certificates were falsified? How do we know this?
2. The records were sent to HSE but they say they don't have them? Can they be forced, by law, to surrender them, if they do have them?
Has anyone found anything new since this thread was started?
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The child and family agency Tusla found details of falsified birth certs from 1946 to 1969 where the mothers name was changed or where the adopting couple were registered as the natural parents. The Irish Times reported on it as far back as 1996 and many more reports in 2018 and since the latest commission findings in 2021. News reports said Tusla would contact anyone who was affected. Some reports suggested there could be up to 20,000. These are some of the articles.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/coroner-s-court/incorrect-registration-of-births-another-failure-by-the-state-1.3512772?mode=amp
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/adoption-board-confirms-false-names-were-given-1.33309?mode=amp
https://www.rte.ie/news/investigations-unit/2021/0302/1200520-who-am-i-the-story-of-irelands-illegal-adoptions
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/illegally-adopted-woman-urges-government-to-conduct-nationwide-investigation-1091163.html
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/%C3%A9amon-de-valera-s-son-facilitated-illegal-adoptions-in-1960s-1.4499519?mode=amp
This link for information only. If not allowed mods please delete.
https://colemanlegalpartners.ie/illegal-adoption-in-ireland/
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Hi All
Just checking in to see if anyone have been successful in ascertaining where our birth records are. Meaning the Midwife, Murial J Gallagher's birth ledgers; which all mid wives were obliged to keep?
In the meanwhile let me share this photograph of Nurse Gallagher with you, which I found on another site.
Th photograph shows Nurse Gallagher carrying a baby nearby her house at 78 Lr. Drumcondra Road.
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Hi All
Just letting you know 78 Lower Drumcondra Road for sale - (October 2023). Follow the like below for more information:
https://www.sherryfitz.ie/buy/house/dublin/drumcondra/78-lower-drumcondra-road