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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: jaypear on Friday 10 March 17 11:46 GMT (UK)
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Looking for this gentleman who lived (and possibly died ) in St. Andrew's Cottage in 1909. I believe this address to be 15, Lauder Road. Edinburgh. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Have you searched scotlandspeople for relevant records?
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Various early 1900 newspapers mention this address as being a private day school, conducted by the Misses Bell.
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Hi,
Can you tell us when he was born & where?
I'm wondering what leads you to think he died at the address given?
Annie
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Info on the property:
http://portal.historicenvironment.scot/designation/LB30404
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...and on the day school:
http://gaedin.co.uk/wp/new-history/3309-2#sta
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Is it possible he was recorded as Alexander as Alastair is gaelic for Alexander?
Annie
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My geography on Edinburgh isn't great & not knowing a possible age when he died or if he had a middle name there's these;
MACLEOD ALEXANDER
74
1910
685/6 435
Morningside
MCLEOD JOHN ALEXANDER
9
1909
692/2 82
Leith South
MCLEOD ALEXANDER
46
1911
692/2 478
Leith South
There are no entries for anyone named Alastair in all of Scotland 1907 - 1911 with surname MacLeod/McLeod
Annie
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[quote author=Rosinish link=topic=767028.msg6191373#msg6191373 date=1489151
There are no entries for anyone named Alastair in all of Scotland 1907 - 1911 with surname MacLeod/McLeod
Annie
[/quote]
Like you Annie I looked at this early on and could not see a death ???
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Rosie,
My other thought is (depending on age & where born) could he have been registered elsewhere with other family?
I wonder what his occupation was?
That won't help looking for the death but could discount the address given possibly?
Not easy with no info. though.
Annie
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Annie Hopefully Jaypear will get back with more information if known ???
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No Alastair M(a)cLeods in Midlothian 1901 either.
Annie
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From the link Scotmum provided a James Adam Bell lived there in 1901 age 56 along with his sisters Maggie B Bell 58,Jessie A Bell 60 both teacher's ..Mary J Marwick age 25 ( Ronsay Orkney ) domestic
Rosie
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The Bells are there as late as 1915 (VR's)
Annie
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Was Alastair a Pupil/Teacher/Janitor etc?
Annie
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We have acquired a sampler from Edinburgh on which is embroidered the following ' Jesus wept Behold how he loved him - Alastair Macleod St Andrews Cottage 1909. All this was in black thread which seemed, along with the quote, to imply a death. I hope this makes things a bit clearer. I suppose it is possible that the sampler was completed in 1909 by Alastair Macleod whilst a pupil at the Bell's day school? Was there another reason for him to be connected with St Andrew's cottage?
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Only 1909 death that I can see that looks somewhat similar:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01joa/
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Maureen
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Looks good Maureen ;)
From reply #7
MCLEOD JOHN ALEXANDER
9
1909
692/2 82
Leith South
Ian being gaelic for John & Alistair being gaelic for Alexander.
Annie
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He does not seem to be in any of the census forms with the bell family who were at the same address from 1841 -1901 ..Perhaps as you say he was a day pupil at the school when sampler was done ..I have my Grandmas's sampler when she was at school in 1890 with her age 14 years
Rosie
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Rosie,
Aged 9 yrs in 1909 he wouldn't be on 1901 too young for school.
Annie
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Rosie,
Aged 9 yrs in 1909 he wouldn't be on 1901 too young for school.
Annie
Provided it is the same person Annie :)
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Aged 9 yrs in 1909 he wouldn't be on 1901 too young for school.
If he was 9 in 1909, then he might have been born in either 1899 or 1900, depending on when in the year he had birthday. If he was born after the 1901 census he would not have turned 9 until 1910. and he should therefore be in the 1901 census somewhere.
I take it that all the variants of Alastair have been checked? The Gaelic equivalent of Alexander is Alasdair, and it is anglicised as Alastair, Alistair, Alister, Allister and possibly other variants I have not thought of.
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Forfarian,
I was in bit of a rush so probably worded wrongly. What I meant was he wouldn't have been at that school, not necessarily that he wasn't on the census elsewhere.
Re variants of Alastair, yes covered as my search was with initials 'Al' only i.e. would cover all but I think I checked all of Scotland but I know it was all of Scotland I checked for deaths ;)
JP, I think someone else has done the 'Sampler' in his memory?
Annie
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We have discovered upon reading one of the links, kindly sent, that all pupils at the Misses Bells school
wore tapestry samplers bearing their name, the date, alphabet, numericals1-10 and at the foot St Andrews Cottage. Our tapestry has the alphabet , no numerals, the year 1909, the name and at the bottom of the tapestry St Andrews Cottage. It has in addition above the name, the bible extract 'Jesus wept' etc. We now think it is a distinct possibility that in 1909 he attended the school but of course we have no idea how old he was at that time. Presumably his family were resident in Edinburgh at the time.
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Quite possible that was when the sampler was done looking at my Grandma's it seems to be the same alphabet ,date it was done and her age ..Also initials of her parent's
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I have looked at the 1909 DC.
Not conclusive!
John Alexander MacLeod
D.O.D 5 Feb 1909
At 52 East Restalrig Terrace, Leith
Parents John MacLeod & Christina (m/s Murdie)
But....
Father's occ. Chief Constable!
I'm guessing he would be in a situation to have afforded 'Private' Schooling?
Annie
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I have looked at the 1909 DC.
Not conclusive!
John Alexander MacLeod
D.O.D 5 Feb 1909
At 52 East Restalrig Terrace, Leith
Parents John MacLeod & Christina (m/s Murdie)
But....
Father's occ. Chief Constable!
I'm guessing he would be in a situation to have afforded 'Private' Schooling?
Hmmm. Now if the 1901 census (or even the 1911) showed that his parents were from the Gaeltachd, it would be a bit of evidence for him being known as Alastair or one of its variants.
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Well hopefully Forfarian,
Would really need further investigation but sadly I have to go out for now (again) ::)
Annie
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I've had a look at a lovely transcription of 1901;
Household
John Mcleod (Head)
35
Born Anyrt, Sathilandshire (Prob Assynt, Sutherland)
Occ. Superintendent Of Police
Christina Mcleod (Wife)
31
Born Kincardine, Ross-shire
John A Mcleod (Son)
1
Born Leith, Edinburghshire
Reg. No. 692/2
RD. Leith South
Parish Leith South
Town Leith
County Midlothian
Address 28 Thornville Ter
ED 7
Schedule no. 78
LINE 4
Roll CSSCT1901_399
Annie
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Looks to be the Marriage;
MCLEOD JOHN to MURDIE CHRISTINA
1899
Ref: 044/1 1 Entry 1
Kirkton Assynt (Sutherland)
Annie
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The biblical text may not necessarily mean that he died. It was quite common for such texts to be included in samplers ( this one is from the raising of Lazarus). All we really know from the sampler is that it seems to have been created in 1909. Looking at the 1911 index on SP for a possible child, I came across an Alistair McLeod age 7 in Morningside,Edinburgh. Morningside would be within walking distance of the school. Out of interest I looked at the entry and he was a patient ( can't tell what hospital unfortunately) and his occupation is given as 'pupil'. His place of birth looks like Kaimes, Argyllshire. Right next to him is an Aneas (Aeneas) McLeod age 6, also born Kaimes. I looked for a possible birth and found an Aeneas Duncan McLeod born in Kilfinan, Argyll in 1904. Ancestry have a tree for him and it gives his place of birth as Kames, Argyll and parents as John McLeod and Margaret nee Mathison. Looking at the 1901 census for Kilfinan there are only a handful of McLeods and they include a John McLeod, who is the free church minister, and his wife Margaret. John died in Edinburgh in July 1948 by which time he was Principal Emeritus of the Free Church College in Edinburgh. A Google search brings up quite a detailed summary of his career. I believe he was in Edinburgh by 1911 and there is a possible for him in Morningside in the census.
The biblical text would make sense for the child of a minister and his profession would allow him the resources to send children to school. I am fairly sure that Alistair and Aeneas were brothers but I can't find a matching birth for Alistair in Kilfinan. There is however a birth for an Alexander McLeod in Kilfinan in 1903 which may be him.
This may be a complete blind alley, but thought it worth posting. The Fasti of the Free Church will probably have details of John's wife and children but I can't find an online transcript. None of the 1948 obituaries mention his children.
Isobel
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The Fasti of the Free Church will probably have details of John's wife and children but I can't find an online transcript.
I have looked more than once for a Fasti of the Free Church and have failed to find such a book. A search for 'Free Church Fasti' on the National Library of Scotland online catalogue produces just one result: The Fasti of the United Free Church of Scotland, 1900-1929 but the United Free Church is not the same as the Free Church.
There is a book titled Annals of the Free Church 1843-1900 but it doesn't routinely include biographies of the ministers in the way Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae does. Even if it did, it stops in 1900, before the birth of Alastair and Aeneas MacLeod.
So if you know where to find a Fasti of the Free Church of Scotland, I would be very interested to know, as there are people I would like to look up in it!
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You are correct, Forfarian. The only thing I came across on a quick search was the United Free Church one. I realise now that won't include details of those who remained out with the union.
Isobel
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Sorry to be a wet blanket but I wouldn't want enyone to go off on a wild goose chase. ;)
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Think the only way to find who this Alastair Macleod is would be to try and see if there is any School Records available ???
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My thought too Rosie although Isobel's looks good, living nearby, Minister etc. all good points?
Annie
Added & no middle name which wasn't on the Tapestry.
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ooked at the entry and he was a patient ( can't tell what hospital unfortunately) and his occupation is given as 'pupil'.
The heading is available at Scotlandspeople free of charge and in this case it was The Edinburgh City Hospital for Infectious Disease and listed occupation was 'school"
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Thanks, I did wonder if it might be the infectious diseases hospital. There were actually three McLeod children listed in sequence. The third one was Ian age 10 and I had discounted him because he was born in Ullapool, Rossshire. Having researched John McLeod a bit more, it appears that he held a charge in Ullapool before moving to Kames so this is possibly three brothers ( sons of John McLeod).
Thanks also for amending occupation. I realised I had recorded it incorrectly in my post when I rechecked the census and was meaning to go back in and amend.
Isobel