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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: shirclo on Wednesday 27 July 05 19:41 BST (UK)
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Is anyone researching the BURBAGE family from Melksham?
My GrGrGrGrandparents were WILLIAM & SARAH BURBAGE nee STEVENS.
BIVRI-2 Says they married 28 Apr 1835 in Melksham.
I think his parents were ELIAS & JOANNA BURBAGE but I'm trying to track down their previous marriages. :-\
Any help would be very welcome. Regards, Shirley. :)
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Hi Shirley, an Elias Burbage married Sarah Morris 25 Dec 1821 in Melsham and an Elias Burbage married a Ruth Deveril 18 Jun 1831 in Melksham. Burbage is not in my tree, but hope it helps.
Steve
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Hi Shirley
I had a look on the microfiche for Melksham Parish records and found the banns and actual marriage for Elias Burbidge and Diana Parsons, 26 December 1808. I checked both the banns and the marriage and they definitely said 'Diana'. However, looking at the baptisms, I found -
Apr 8th 1810 Ann daughter of Elias and Joanna Burbidge
Feb 2nd 1812 Thomas son of Elias and Joanna Burbidge
15 May 1814 William son of Elias and Joanna Burbidge (your William?)
(at this point my eyes gave up so there may be others....)
I double checked the deaths and marriages between 1808 and 1810 and there was no Diana Burbidge death or Elias Burbidge remarriage. There appear to be no other Burbage/Burbidge contenders in Melksham at this period, so I think it has to be your family.
If you want, I'll see if I can find a baptism record for Elias or Diana/Joanna tomorrow (can't do too much fiche reading at any one time :( )
What I found really exciting was that the marriage between William and Diana/Joanna was witnessed by my ggg grandfather so they could have been friends or relatives ;D
Hope this helps
Angela
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Thank you sooooo much for your replies.
In the BIVRI-2, I've found the marriage of Diana & Elias and also a marriage of an ELIAS BURBIDGE & JOANNA TUCK at St James's, Trowbridge 9 Jan 1811. Both parties were said to have been previously married. I have a possible christening for Elias 25 Sep 1791 in Melksham, the son of Charles & Jane.
I also found a marriage of a JOANNA SMALL to ROBERT TUCK 2 Oct 1791 in Melksham. I think Joanna may have been christened 9 Aug 1778 in Melksham, daughter of Thomas Small.
If they are the correct Elias & Joanna, there is a possible 13 year age gap or Elias wasn't christened until he was older than an infant. His burial may give his age.
My gg grandmother was JOANNA BURBIDGE, born 29 July 1841, in Melksham to William & Sarah and went on to have a son called Thomas (my grandad).
If I can discover a burial of Diana, it may all fall into place.
In the 1841 census, I found an Elias aged about 40 & Ruth Burbidge aged about 35 in Melksham, so I think they are the Elias & Ruth that Researcher1234 discovered. It helps a lot for elimination purposes. I don't know whose son he was, but no doubt there will be a connection.
Is a printout of the microfiche registers a possibility? I would be very happy to send your expenses etc. If not, it's great to have the info.
What was your ggg grandfather's name, Angela?
Once again, sincere thanks, Shirley.
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Hi Shirley
In view of what you've found I went back and checked the registers for Diana's death. The burial is definitely not in the Melksham registers, but it could be in Trowbridge I suppose. If no-one else finds it before, I'll have a look when I'm next at the record office. I have copies of the Melksham microfiche at home, but not Trowbridge :(
I'm a bit puzzled because the first marriage is a bit close to the first of Elias and Joanna's children to be able to fit in a death as well (16 months)..... Also, I checked the first baptism and it's definitely 1810, which is a bit odd since Elias and Joanna are given as the (married) parents and the marriage isn't for another 9 months..... At least if a burial record appears it should clarify things a bit ;D
Did you find Elias and Joanna in 1841, or shall I have a look for some appropriate burials for you?
Printing off microfiche is possible, but usually requires a special printer. When I'm next at the record office, I'll look!
My ggg grandfather was Samuel Rogers - one of 2 in Melksham at the time and both married to an Ann. Fortunately they had different occupations so it is (sometimes) possible to sort out whose child was whose ::) It's never easy, is it?
Best wishes
Angela
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Hi Angela.
Thanks again for your reply.
You hit the nail on the head - it certainly isn't easy.
I haven't found Elias & Joanna in the 1841, so if you wouldn't mind looking for burials, I would be very grateful. I don't want to be a nuisance.
I've been hoping to find microfiche for Melksham Parish registers, but had no luck. Could I ask where you bought yours? I have a microfiche reader and I'm putting together a collection of fiche. I have ancestors in at least 6 counties and little chance of travelling to the various Record Offices.
I thought you were a regular at the local library or record office, where there may be a reader/printer, so please don't bother about printouts. I am more than happy with what you have done for me already.
Best wishes, Shirley.
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Hi Shirley
It's been a busy day, so I haven't been able to check Melksham burials for Elias or Joanna yet. It's on the radar though :)
I've been doing the same as you and putting together a collection of fiche for the the counties of particular interest. It can be quite an expensive business though, as the basis of charging seems to vary wildly across the record offices. I got my Melksham ones (and it's a huge parish so definitely expensive...) from the Wiltshire Record Office. They're very helpful - if you email them at wsro[at]wiltshire.gov.uk to ask about fiche for particular parishes, they will send you a list of what fiche are available for the parish. You can then order the ones you want.
If you let me know which entries you'd like printed copies of, I'll see what I can do when I'm next near the appropriate reader!
Best wishes
Angela
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Hi Shirley
I've (rather belatedly - went down with a bug :( ) looked at Melksham burials for Elias and Joanna and haven't found any, which is a bit puzzling. On the other hand, I have found an 1851 census record as follows: -
Ref HO107/1840 Folio 214 Page 16
Seend Street, Seend, Melksham
Elias Burbidge - Head- Mar- 61 - Agricultural Labourer - born Melksham, Wilts
Juliana Burbudge - Wife - Mar - 68 - - born Melksham Wilts
Dennis(? don't think this is right but can't see what else it can be) Burbidge - Son - Unmar - 17 - Servant - born Melksham, Wilts
If this is actually Elias and Joanna, then this would explain why I can't find burials - they would probably be buried in Seend. FreeBMD has a death for Elias Burbage in Sep 1851 Melksham 5a 67 and whoever this is was not buried in Melksham itself , so it could have been Seend.
I've had a look in Seend 1841 census but haven't found them - sorry. Hope this all helps a bit
Regards
Angela
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Hi Angela. Sorry to hear you've been unwell and hope you are fully recovered.
Elias & Juliana seem very promising as BIVRI-2 have an Elias & Joanna having a son Dennis christened in 1833.
I am wondering if Juliana/Joanna is in fact Diana of my first enquiry.
I made a serious error with the Joanna Tuck marriage. I must have had a "senior moment" and totally misread my info, so that marriage must be disregarded, or re-filed as "may link in somewhere along the line"
My apologies for that.
Thank you very much for your invaluable help once again. You are certainly making a big difference to my researches and pointing me in the right direction.
Very best wishes, Shirley.
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Worth a look at 'Burbidge' from keevil originally from East Knoyle, & well documented pedigree back to John Burbage in 1508. Keevil has lots of Burbidge entries inc name Elias going back into 17thC,& some impressive Burbidge family box tombs to the left of the church gate. Family branch links to Erlestoke, Seend, Bulkington & Melksham.
regards
Lindsey
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Very many thanks.
Some of my Burbidge/ Burbages were baptised in Seend.
I'm trying to place Elias, who was probably born c1790 in Melksham.
I need to do more work.
Thanks again,
Shirley.
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This gets more confusing ???
In 1841
Semmington Lane, Melksham
Elias Burbidge 35 Ag Lab
Hannah do 30
John do 20
Joseph do 15
Jane do 15
Andrew do 9
Dennis do 7
All born in county
HO107/1182/4 Pg 22
Dennis appears to be the same person who is son of Elias and Juliana but this Elias is far too young - the writing is very clear, definitely 35
Puzzling ??? ???
Jan ;)
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Confusing isn't the word !!!
Thank you so much for your efforts.
Dennis may be staying with a relative, but I still can't find his parents.
I have seen the census image and it does say 35 & 30, so another Elias must be hiding somewhere.
I think I need to light a lavendar candle & have a cuppa.
Regards,
Shirley.
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Shirley,
Do you have a Henry Burbidge (b. 1850) who married a Sarah Stickler (b. 1849) on 13 Feb 1875 in your tree?
Henry was born in Tinhead Wiltshire, Sarah in Hawkridge Wiltshire.
Carol.
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Hi Carol.
Sorry, but I haven't discovered a Henry yet, but I'll keep a look out for him
Good luck with your researches,
Shirley.
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Hi Shirley
The more I think about it the more likely it seems that Elias and Hannah in 1841 are your Elias and Joanna/Juliana - the ages having been copied down wrong and if Joanna was spelt Johanna she could well be known as Hannah (as well as get miscopied as Juliana.) Shame it isn't the 51 as then it would say whether John 20 is their son which would confirm the mistake. I cannot find an Elias and Hannah of the right ages in 51 - of course they might have died. Really need further baptisms of children of Elias and Joanna to sort this out.
Happy hunting Jan ;)
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Hello all...I am a late comer to this post...My great great grandmother was Mary Burbidge born Keevil in about 1809.
Living only 60 miles away from Keevil ,we wandered down there today to the church and found three 'box type' Burbidge tombs to the left of the gate as you walked up the path.
As you may understand,the inscriptions aren't too readable....but here goes.
Charles Burbidge departed this life February 7th.,1768 aged 59 years and Joan his wife departed this life January 19th.,1796 aged 69
also near this place lies the bodies of Ann,George ,Charles and Robert sons and daughters of Charles and Joan
On another
Andrew Burbidge died October 18th,1829 aged 64 years
next to the above inscription S ?? wife of William Burbidge Died August 6th.,1840 (?)aged 70 years
On another
Ann Died June 176? in the 9th(?) year of here life
George Died November 1769
Charles died October 1786 aged 69 years (it said something 9 and it looked like 69)
Robert ...unreadable
On another Elias Burbidge 1780 58th ? year of his life?
It seemed that the family were quite well off as the tombs were quite sophisticated..any ideas on what they did?
I have taken some photos of the church and the tombs..sadly,they're on 35mm so will be put on cd before I can email them to any interested listees.
Meanwhile ,if anyone has my great great grandmother, Mary,born Keevil in about 1809 on their list,please let me know her parents/grandparents details.She married James Lewis in Hereford in 1832 and lived in Garway in Herefordshire for much of her life.
Thanks in advance
CHRISB
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Don't know if this is any use for later researches but I have just found a BURBIDGE headstone in Hilperton Parish Church, Trowbridge.
George Burbidge died 9/1/1849 aged 73.
Jane his wife died 13/2/1831 aged 52.
John died in infancy.
Mary Ann Burbidge born 25/1/1802 died 20/3/1885.
Mary Janet (daughter of above) born 14/7/1837 died 24/5/1838
John FERGUSSON (Husband of Mary Ann) born 25/6/1797 at Mosshead, Irondarrock, Da??ry, Galloway, Ayrshire, Scotland. Died 27/1/1876.
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My apologies to janan, liverpoollass &CHRISB for not replying sooner. :-[
I'm still trying to link-up the Keevil & Hilperton Burbidges to the Melksham ones.
I keep trying to find published MIs fo Melksham but I've been unlucky so far.
Thanks for everyone's help.
Regards,
Shirley.
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Welcome back Shirley :D
Hope you manage to sort things out eventually
Jan ;)
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No probs Shirley we all know how it is!
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Hi
I am researching the HUDD family (originally from Melksham). Eliza Hudd (b 1836, Melkham), married John BURBAGE (b 1837, Melksham) in 1855. They had 5 Children - George (1856), John (1857), Eliza (1862), Georgina (1863) and Arthur (1867). I have traced them up to the 1901 census (apart from finding out Arthur's wife's maiden name - Elizabeth was her christian name).
Wonder if anyone has only post-1901 information on this branch of the Burbage family? Any info gratefully received.
Larry Bennett
Burnham on Sea, Somerset