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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Kevin61 on Saturday 04 March 17 12:16 GMT (UK)
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Hoping to find help tracing ancestors of
Albert Brazil b 1889, Surrey d 1975, Surrey - son of William
Phoebe Smith b 1891 d 1945, Croydon, Surrey - dau of Charles
m 1915, Croydon, Surrey
Children: Councilette b 1910 d 1986
Alice b 1914 d 1915
Phoebe b 1915 d 1976
Albert b 1920 d 1977
Phoebe's sisters: Alice b 1881, m 1914, Henry/ Harry Scott b 1878
??? Counsellette b 1894 d 1933, m 1915 Henry James b 1890
Any help would be gratefully accepted as we have hit a brick wall and researching from Australia is a tad difficult.
Many thanks,
Kevin & Kathy
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Christ Church, Croydon
15 April 1915
Albert Brasil age 26 occ Carman - 41 Priory Road - father William Brasil occ Hawker
Phoebe Smith age 23 -41 Priory Road - father Charles Smith occ Hawker
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Thanks rosie99,
We do have this info but having trouble going any further backwards.....
Kathy
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There is a family called Brazell - but no forenames?
1901 census at Ash & Normandy, Surrey.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9XQ-3RF
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I posted the marriage to show abode & occupations in case it helped us find them ;)
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Thanks again rosie99
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thanks KGarrad,
will have a look
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Is this Phoebe's sisters baptism
Kounsilette Smith
born 20 November 1892
bapt 15 October 1893
Father Charles Smith
Mother Aneseth Smith
Abode - van - the arches ........
Battersea Christ Church
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possibly... I know names are handed down through families so I assume?? this is a sister. My husband's grandmother, Councilette Brazil "married out" so most interaction with her family was lost
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You have already mentioned her as marrying Henry James
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wasn't totally sure of the connection ???
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I can't see an online marriage to Henry James which may have clarified that she was a sister of Phoebe.
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You have already mentioned her as marrying Henry James
No - that's Councilette Smith assumed sister of Phoebe. It's Councilette Brazil, daughter of Phoebe who married out
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I'm intrigued as to why Councilette , daughter of Albert and Phoebe, is baptised in 1910 under the surname Bradley
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I think baptism as Bradley was a mishearing or mistranscribing by the vicar
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THis is speculative, but there's a William and Caroline Brazil(l) whi baptise a son John in the Croydon area - William is a hawker
This could be them in 1881 - a group in a travelling van in East Grinstead. It's not clear whose the grandchildren are, as the image on ancestry doesn;t include the page they are on. Places of birth generally not known
John Brazill 69
Prescilla Brazill 53
Matthew Brazill 34 - son
Selina Brazill 32 - daughter in law
William Brazill 24 - son
Caroline Brazill 22 - daughter in law
Cordelia Brazill 13 - Granddaughter
James Brazill 11 - grandson
Henry Brazill 3 - grandson
Fanny Brazill 2 - Granddaughter
Moses Brazill 1
RG11, 1056, 66, 20
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I have spent months searching on ancestry but can't find Albert Brazil anywhere within the right time frame - could he have changed his name?
There are quite a few Brazil families in the Croydon/Mitcham area but I can't find a definitive connection
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Working on the assumption the younger grandchildren belong to the younger couple, Moses and Henry Brazil are registered with mmn Collins
There's a load of Brazells with mmn Collins in Islington - including an ALbert b 1890 - but this is another family
I think given the traveller backgruond they are going to be hard to pin down and there's a high chance of surnames changing
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Thanks for your input Mabel.
Kathy
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You have already mentioned her as marrying Henry James
No - that's Councilette Smith assumed sister of Phoebe. It's Councilette Brazil, daughter of Phoebe who married out
I am confused Mabel this is what I was referring to :-\
Phoebe's sisters: Alice b 1881, m 1914, Henry/ Harry Scott b 1878
??? Counsellette b 1894 d 1933, m 1915 Henry James b 1890
Is this Phoebe's sisters baptism
Kounsilette Smith
born 20 November 1892
bapt 15 October 1893
Father Charles Smith
Mother Aneseth Smith
Abode - van - the arches ........
Battersea Christ Church
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sorry for any confusion - I read messages 8 (referring to Counselette B) and 9 (referring to Counselette S) as following on from each other, when perhaps they didn't