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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Ann Handyside on Saturday 04 March 17 01:35 GMT (UK)
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Looking for relations of a William Perrin believed to have lived in Napier in the early 1800's. Apparently had a first family then married again to Ellen Georgina Brunette from Hawera while still married to his first wife. They had three children Maud "Queenie", John "Jack" and William who died at the age of 17 years, This family moved to Rotorua where later Ellen managed a Boarding House in Fenton Street for a number of years and raised her young family there. William just seemed to disappear though Ellen did try and gain child maintenance for young William but failed in court.
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat. :)
You most likely have this information? [There may be some repetition in the reports.]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19140127.2.44?query=william%20perrin
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAIGUS19140127.2.22?query=william%20perrin
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ME19140128.2.35?query=william%20perrin
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19140128.2.15?query=william%20perrin
Minniehaha.
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Your man in Napier?
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OAM18940420.2.22?query=william%20perrin
Minniehaha.
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A marriage:
1891/2879 Ellen Georgina Brunette William Perrin
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A claim for maintenance - mentions 2 marriages.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19131210.2.41?query=William%20Perrin
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NZ bankruptcy notices
A William Perrin of Napier, a publican, was declared bankrupt on the 14 September 1896.
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And the first marriage.........
1882/402 Agnes Madden William Perrin
The child of that union.....
1883/4230 Perrin Agnes Agnes William
Minniehaha.
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A tree on ancestry has the marriage of a William Perrin to Agnes at Christchurch
The Star newspaper 24 April 1882
Marriage April 22 1882 , William Perrin, of Taunton, Somersetshire England to Agnes Madden of Bangalore Madras India
Also
Hawera New Zealand
At the residence of the bride's father in South St. Hawera. Ellen 26 , William 30 farmer, widower born Taunton Somerset, father - William Perrin gentleman mother -Elizabeth Birch.
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Perrin is a most unfortunate name to search newspapers for - all those sauce ads!
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William and Ellen Georgina are on the 1900 Electoral roll in Hobson Street Auckland
He is a chef.
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Children of the second "marriage".........
1891/256 Perrin Maud Ellen Victoria Ellen Georgina William -
1897/4247 Perrin William Brunette Ellen Georgina William
1899/4444 Perrin John Brunette Ellen Georgina William
Minniehaha.
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Looking for relations of a William Perrin believed to have lived in Napier in the early 1800's. Apparently had a first family then married again to Ellen Georgina Brunette from Hawera while still married to his first wife. They had three children Maud "Queenie", John "Jack" and William who died at the age of 17 years, This family moved to Rotorua where later Ellen managed a Boarding House in Fenton Street for a number of years and raised her young family there.
Hi and welcome. :)
* When you say "looking for relations of William PERRIN" ... can I ask please , just who it is you are looking for ?
* Is it descendants of the three children you've named ??
~ Lu
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William Perrin is living in Maria Place Wanganui 1919 still a chef. Ellen isn't listed
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William and Ellen Georgina are on the 1900 Electoral roll in Hobson Street Auckland
He is a chef.
As William was born c 1852 according to the wedding report and a William Perrin chef is in Palmerston North at 38 Lombard street in 1928 I am wondering if this is the son of William and Ellen?
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The son of William PERRIN and Ellen Georgina PERRIN (nee BRUNETTE) died in 1912.
NZ Death Index :
1912 - PERRIN - William Brunette - aged 15* years
[* The poster mentioned in introduction here, that son William had died aged 17. ]
~ Lu
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NZ Death :
1940 - PERRIN - Ellen Georgina - 76 years
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Hello...
Welcome to Rootschat :)
William Perrin believed to have lived in Napier in the early 1800's.
Can I be pedantic :) and say that Napier (est.1855) didn't actually exist in the early 1800's
And if William first got married in 1882 it's more than likely that he didn't either.
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The 1928 death of a William PERRIN in Dannevirke seems a possible contender for your man. Buried at Mangatera Cemetery. Accidental overdose, according to PapersPast. Charitable aid funeral according to the cemetery website.
Regards
Beg
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Probate file : Ellen Georgina PERRIN - 1940
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99CX-YQ1Y?mode=g&i=162&cc=1865481
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As per Beg's post re: William PERRIN - buried at Mangatera Cemetery, 1928 - certainly seems to be the correct man.
Burial record:
2609. Block ZC - plot 28
PERRIN - William - buried 3 February 1928.
Headstone Inscription reads :
"William PERRIN - gentleman, of Taunton, England. PEACE. "
And the "Taunton" (Somerset, ENG) as given in chrisane's Reply # 7 ... also matches the h/stone info.
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Death of son of Ellen Georgina PERRIN :
1942 - PERRIN - John Brunette - aged 43 Years.
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Probate Record of John Brunette PERRIN - 1942 :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9CR-QPSR?mode=g&i=183&cc=1865481
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Child of Ellen Georgina PERRIN :
The following Probate File is held at Archives New Zealand - Wellington office.
JOLLY - Maude Ellen Victoria - of Plimmerton - Widow - Year: 1972
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23074491
~ Lu
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SMH 15 Jan 1891 p1 also 14th, 20th
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13770762?
...statement of intention to marry.......deserted for seven years.....
only in SMH, no other newspaper.
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That's a good find, wivenhoe ... explains why he didn't "get done" for bigamy. ;)
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Death of daughter Agnes? [see reply #6]......
1909/1206 Perrin Agnes Pricece Cate 47Y
See newspaper item......
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19090505.2.2.4?query=agnes%20perrin
Minniehaha.
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Death of daughter Agnes? [see reply #6]......
1909/1206 Perrin Agnes Pricece Cate 47Y
See newspaper item......
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19090505.2.2.4?query=agnes%20perrin
Minniehaha.
This lady has a 28 year old son when she dies in 1909. ;D [Wrong Agnes. ]
[Seem to recall she is also the subject of other threads here on the New Zealand board. ]
~ Lu
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Death of daughter Agnes? [see reply #6]......
1909/1206 Perrin Agnes Pricece Cate 47Y
See newspaper item......
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19090505.2.2.4?query=agnes%20perrin
Minniehaha.
This lady has a 28 year old son when she dies in 1909. ;D [Wrong Agnes. ]
[Seem to recall she is also the subject of other threads here on the New Zealand board. ]
~ Lu
You will note that I had already deleted my post.........
Minniehaha.
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SMH 15 Jan 1891 p1 also 14th, 20th
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13770762?
...statement of intention to marry.......deserted for seven years.....
only in SMH, no other newspaper.
As per Beg's post re: William PERRIN - buried at Mangatera Cemetery, 1928 - certainly seems to be the correct man.
Burial record:
2609. Block ZC - plot 28
PERRIN - William - buried 3 February 1928.
Headstone Inscription reads :
"William PERRIN - gentleman, of Taunton, England. PEACE. "
And the "Taunton" (Somerset, ENG) as given in chrisane's Reply # 7 ... also matches the h/stone info.
As per Beg's post re: William PERRIN - buried at Mangatera Cemetery, 1928 - certainly seems to be the correct man.
Burial record:
2609. Block ZC - plot 28
PERRIN - William - buried 3 February 1928.
Headstone Inscription reads :
"William PERRIN - gentleman, of Taunton, England. PEACE. "
And the "Taunton" (Somerset, ENG) as given in chrisane's Reply # 7 ... also matches the h/stone info.
Looking for relations of a William Perrin believed to have lived in Napier in the early 1800's. Apparently had a first family then married again to Ellen Georgina Brunette from Hawera while still married to his first wife. They had three children Maud "Queenie", John "Jack" and William who died at the age of 17 years, This family moved to Rotorua where later Ellen managed a Boarding House in Fenton Street for a number of years and raised her young family there. William just seemed to disappear though Ellen did try and gain child maintenance for young William but failed in court.
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Hi everyone,
Many thanks for all the help of my missing mysterious great grandfather William Perrin. You have found more than I have in the past 20 yrs about him. Can now understand why no one in the family talked about him.
Does anyone know anything about the child son he had with his first wife Agnes?
Thank you all once again super help.
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Does anyone know anything about the child son he had with his first wife Agnes?
Thank you all once again super help.
Hi ... why do you say "son" ???
According to the NZ Birth Index (online), the child born to Agnes and William PERRIN in 1883, appears to be a daughter ? She is named as "Agnes" (same as her mother).
1883 / 4320 - PERRIN - Agnes
[Date of birth (deduced from online listing) is = 6 January, 1883. ]
~ Lu
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Hi Ann Handyside
What I find odd, is that during the maintenance case hearing (Dec. 1913 - Jan. 1914) there is no mention of a child born of the union of William PERRIN and his first wife Agnes ?
Agnes PERRIN just turns up (unexpectedly) in 1893 (2 year after William's re-marriage) ... and then waltzes off with a sizeable amount of "hush money". ::) If her child was in her custody at that time, then why did Agnes not also make a claim for maintenance ?
I can't see a death in New Zealand for the child born in 1883.
There is a little further info published in the following late-January 1914 article >
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19140128.2.28
.... namely that William PERRIN had told new wife Ellen that "his first wife had died in July 1883".
And ...
Ellen stated that before she wed, extensive enquiries in Australia re: Agnes PERRIN had been made, and that William PERRIN, her own father and herself, had been satisfied that first wife Agnes was dead.
* So why were enquiries being made (specifically) in Australia ?
* Why did Agnes PERRIN "come hunting" her husband after 9-10 years ? * And had she been living in Australia ?
~ Lu
see following posts >
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Agnes PERRIN - cont'd.
I'm pretty sure that all the following info (to be posted) related to Agnes nee MADDEN, who wed William PERRIN at Christchurch in 1882.
The following seems to be Agnes's arrival in New Zealand - February 1878 - as an assisted immigrant to Otago (Ship: "Piako" )
MADDEN - Agnes - 21 years [bc 1856 ] - occupation: Nurse
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYN7-PJ1?mode=g&i=14&cc=1609792
I note that her native place is given as "Hants" *... which is the abbreviation for "Hampshire, England".
But according to her marriage notice of 1882, Agnes was "of Bangalore, Madras, India". [See later information which is to follow. ]
[* Although the shipping lists make provision for entering "native place", what is written in that column is not always correct in being "place of birth" ... sometimes it can be representative of the "last place" a person resided. ]
~ Lu
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Agnes PERRIN - cont'd.
The probable "age" from the 'Piako' passenger list for Agnes MADDEN ... coupled with the marriage notice advice that she was "of Bangalore, India" was helpful .... but it was more to do with her occupation and life on the high seas, that enabled her to be found in later life. ;D
Australia - passenger lists to and from - was the obvious first place to look.
And there she was !! Her name emblazoned on at least 2 pages full of shipping lists (and too many to detail here ;D) and giving varying degrees of information about her age and place of birth (the latter transcribed as "Bungadore" , "Bungendore" .. or similar).
She became a "stewardess" and served on many vessels. I've only looked at a few of the lists but seems she probably travelled between Europe and Sydney on occasions.
From what I've found so far, her journeys begin in January 1886 - on the vessel "Barcoo" - from Glasgow to Sydney - arriving 10/1/1886. [I'll look over these lists again just to get a better idea.]
Agnes PERRIN - 28 years - Stewardess (- substituted for Pantry stwd. which was crossed out).
Of What Nation : - Bangalore
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Agnes PERRIN - cont'd
The last appearance of Agnes (or "A.") PERRIN, stewardess on vessels into Australia, seems to be around 1895 - from Marseille (France) to Sydney. [Will check further though.]
Haven't done a thorough check of UK Census returns, but by 1911, Agnes is living in London (Hammersmith/Fulham area). She gives her occupation as "Only house work". Aged 54 years - born Bangalore, India. A Widow < wink > Has completed 30 years marriage <wink again > (marr. c. 1881).
Issue : 1 child born alive / 1 child now dead. ;)
Appears to be living alone ... and signs as Mrs. Agnes PERRIN.
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So it seems that if she took up life on the seas, say from 1886, then she probably didn't have a child in tow ?
~ Lu
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Agnes PERRIN - cont'd.
ENGLAND - Deaths - DEC
PERRIN - Agnes
74 years
Registered at : Fulham, Middlesex
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Agnes PERRIN - cont'd.
ENGLAND - Deaths - DEC
Year : 1932
PERRIN - Agnes
74 years
Registered at : Fulham, Middlesex
...ooops sorry, forgot to add year of death in previous post. ::)
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Well done, Lu!
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There was also a Probate File for Agnes :
PERRIN - Agnes - of 4 Greyhound Road Mansions**, Hammersmith, Middlesex - Widow - died
20 November 1932 : PROBATE - London - 29 December to Percy Kennett COOK*, Inspector.
Effects : (Pounds sterling) 56-6s-4d
[Source: England and Wales Probate Calendar @ ancestry.com ]
[* Don't know if related to Percy Kennett COOK ? He was born, Kent, ENG, 1875.
**Agnes was at same Greyhound Road address in 1911. ]
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Thanks John. :)
It had seemed like a lost cause, or a lot of jolly hard work ... until I hit those Aussie shipping lists. ;D
But we've all contributed snippets along the way, and those add up to "results".
~ Lu
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Congratulations to everyone involved in this challenging topic. ;D ;D
A great outcome for Ann. :)
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