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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: jessm63 on Friday 03 March 17 02:47 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for any info on Choan (also seen spelled Coan) Kenneth STEWART born C1782 Ullapool, Scotland and his first wife Anna MACPHERSON is of particular interest to me as I can't find anything on her. They had two sons Archibald (1815-1895) and Alexander both born in Scotland. I know Archibald married his wife Margaret Ross in Nova Scotia C1845. Archibald, Alexander and families sailed on the "spray" to NZ and settled in Hakaru in 1857. And although their father Choan was believed part owner of the "spray" he sailed to NZ from NS aboard "Breadalbane" with his second wife Ephemia "effy" McLeod and settled in whangarei heads. I'd love to know what happened to Choans first wife Anna MacPherson in between all of this, I have no birthdate or information on her besides a name. No idea if she was alive when they left Scotland for Nova Scotia. I also haven't been able to find any solid leads that go back further than Choan Stewart if anyone knows his parents etc any help would be appreciated!! Thanks for reading :)
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Hi jessm63,
The arrival of the Breadalbane was reported in the Daily Southern Cross, 25 May 1858, Page 2:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jlt/
Passenger Coan STEWART.
Spades
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Obituary of Angus STEWART.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jlu/
I couldn't see any other mentions on papers Past of either Choan or Coan STEWART.
Spades
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Hi jessm63,
The arrival of the Breadalbane was reported in the Daily Southern Cross, 25 May 1858, Page 2:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jlt/
Passenger Coan STEWART.
Spades
Thanks Spades :)
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"Obituary of Angus STEWART".
Just wondering, where does Angus Stewart (son of Mr. & Mrs. James Stewart) fit into the family?
Minniehaha.
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See also topic "Stewarts of Hakaru"........
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=750063.0
Minniehaha.
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"Obituary of Angus STEWART".
Just wondering, where does Angus Stewart (son of Mr. & Mrs. James Stewart) fit into the family?
Minniehaha.
"Obituary of Angus STEWART".
Just wondering, where does Angus Stewart (son of Mr. & Mrs. James Stewart) fit into the family?
Minniehaha.
As far as I'm aware they aren't related, 3 Stewart families came over on the spray according to a book "sailors and settlers" by John McLean..
Stewart, Alexander and Flora (nee Stuart), Kenneth
Stewart, Archibald and Margaret (nee Ross), Kenneth, John, Ann "Nancy", Willina, Jessie
Stewart James and Margaret (nee McLeod) Catherine, Isabella, Flora, Alexandrina, Angus, Alexander, Mary
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Probably a silly question but have you tried searching for Anna in Scotland and Canada?
Death of Choan.........
1860/2407 Stewart Choan 78Y
Minniehaha.
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Hello jessm63
I think you probably firstly need to establish when and where Choan STEWART married Euphemia "Effy" McLEOD ... and work backwards from there. ;)
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In case you don't already have it, here is the Probate file (with annexed Will) for Choan STEWART.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89GV-3JCJ?i=36&cc=1865481
~ Lu
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Not part of the brief but a little additional information....
Remarriage:
1863/7382 Euphemia Stewart David Munro
Obituaries:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18990707.2.76.6?query=euphemia%20munro
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18990627.2.42?query=euphemia%20munro
Minniehaha.
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Hi Jess
You will probably receive better assistance with your search if you post to the RootsChat Canada board . ;)
Do please however mention, or provide actual links, to your New Zealand board threads for this family.
Just noting from the Obituary of Archibald STEWART (1815-1895) [see the link given at Reply # 5] ..."At the age of eleven years, he (Archibald) went with his parents to Nova Scotia.."
As you now know that Euphemia McLEOD married Choan STEWART in Canada (Breton), it seems logical that Canada is where Choan's first wife, Anna died.
~ Lu
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Thank you Lu! I didn't have that so really appreciate it. Apparently Choan and Effy married in Nova Scotia but I'm struggling to find any proof.. and without any dates for Anna Macpherson I'm struggling to find her in Scotland ::) gah haha
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Not part of the brief but a little additional information....
Remarriage:
1863/7382 Euphemia Stewart David Munro
Obituaries:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18990707.2.76.6?query=euphemia%20munro
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18990627.2.42?query=euphemia%20munro
Minniehaha.
Thanks a lot! That is actually helpful as it says she married her first husband in Cape Breton ;) really appreciate your digging around on my behalf
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Apparently Choan and Effy married in Nova Scotia but I'm struggling to find any proof.. and without any dates for Anna Macpherson I'm struggling to find her in Scotland ::) gah haha
Hi Jess ... well that is the reason I've suggested you post your query to the Canada board. :D
We don't really have resources in New Zealand to be able to help with this aspect of your research.
Archibald and his family apparently spent 30-odd years in Canada before coming on to New Zealand. There should (at least) be Canada census records which will hopefully give you some snippets of information.
* Start with finding the year Choan (Kenneth) STEWART married Euphemia - that will give an indication of the time frame in which Anna (MacPHERSON) STEWART likely died. * Then see if a death record for Anna is available ... and if so, what information that yields. (You need to be working "backwards" with this. ;D )
~ Lu
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http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NEW-ZEALAND/2013-01/1358277760
Have you tried making contact with other researchers of your STEWART family (who might have information they're happy to share) ??
The lady enquiring in 2013 at the above link is possibly still contactable ?
~ Lu
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Hi Jess
... just adding link to Archibald STEWART's Probate file (with copy of Will) in case you're interested. (It names his wife and children and the bequests he made to them.)
Not sure if you already have this ? ... it was sort of hidden away in Archives' listings ... and actually filed some six years after his death in 1901. !!! ;D
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9T3-19RW-B?mode=g&i=245&cc=1865481
STEWART - Archibald - (late of Hakaru, farmer) -- Year: 1901
~ Lu
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Just to tie up a possible loose end, this could be some information about David Munro, Euphemia's second husband........
Death notice:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19000105.2.2.3?query=david%20munro
Short obituary:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19000119.2.64.8?query=david%20munro
Minniehaha.
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If you don't already have it, here is some information about Alexander STEWART........
Will of Alexander Stewart:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9T2-88ZH?i=198&cc=1865481
Death:
1902/865 Stewart Alexander 87Y
Obituary:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19020913.2.26?query=alexander%20stewart
Death notice of wife Flora:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19010726.2.78.32?query=alexander%20stewart
Their children:
1878/137 Stewart Dolina Flora Alexander -
1872/259 Stewart Flora Flora Alexander -
1870/11986 Stewart Mary Flora Alexander -
1866/11022 Stewart Isabella Flora Alexander -
1862/7198 Stewart Duncan Flora Alexander -
1860/5756 Stewart Alexander Flora Alexander -
1858/4256 Stewart Ann Flora Alexander
1874/41424 Stewart Norman Flora Alexander
1868/11131 Stewart Archibald Flora Alexander
Minniehaha.
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Photographs of grave markers at Parua Bay cemetery for Alexander & Flora STEWART..........
https://billiongraves.com/grave/F-Flora-Stewart/18163118#/
https://billiongraves.com/grave/A-Alexander-Stewart/18163112#/
Minniehaha.
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Obituary in reply #17 mentions "4 sons & 5 daughters living". As Dolina died in 1882, there must have been a daughter born prior to arrival in New Zealand. [There were 4 sons and 5 daughters found born in this country.]
Minniehaha.
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Hi Folks,
Sorry not much input except to say that I would assume 'Choan Coan' to be an abbreviated form of Coinneach which is gaelic for Kenneth?
Annie
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Hi there, I'm here in St. Ann's Bay, Cape Breton Island, NS - not far from Big Harbour where Choan stewart and sons lived. I am looking into this family for some other people. A big help to people is realising they were Gaels- not English . His name Choan -- is from Coinneach or a Choinneach- Kenneth is the english equivalent. They lived in a Gaelic speaking community. Basically 3 interelated family groups went to New Zealand -- and there were overlaps between them all. So look for relations within those families as that is what the gaels did. MacPhersons aren't real prevalent- but there is one nearby to Choans land- (but if they married in Scotland maybe her people didn't come- but both families may have come together. Effie MacLeod shouldn't be too hard to find. Although thousands of MacLeods of course. Look to the MacLeods that were on the Heads--- most of the people at the Heads were the St. Ann's Bay/ st anns glen / big harbour people as they were all mariners. 1838 census has Choan stewart listed as carpenter(would have been ships)living with 3 males over 14. one woman over 14 (probably wife) . I would like to figure out who effie is connected to --- they may not have gone to NZ. Also ullapool was a newly created town to put cleared highlanders into to work in fishery etc. so isn't a good indication of where people were really from - but often it assynt or other parts of sutherland.
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excellent info- re- effy's obit/ marraige to Munro . It says born Deerness. (Durness?) So I will look for mcleods in St. anns area born there. I think i already mentioned 1838 census lists 3 males over 14 one woman over 14. at choan (funny spelling)listed as carpenter-- victoria county historian just found his land grant so I will check that for info - and i'll go up to the cemetary annie is possibly buried in but so many don't have markers.
choan's farm is on land grant map. It was a primo spot for a mariner. alex on land grant map too- they didn't all register them.
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I am looking into this family for some other people. A big help to people is realising they were Gaels- not English . His name Choan -- is from Coinneach or a Choinneach- Kenneth is the english equivalent. They lived in a Gaelic speaking community.
That was my thought too as knowing the Gaelic & English can be a great help.
Annie
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Effie McLeod--- I can't find a trace of MacLeods in Deerness which i found in Orkney-- Re: Effie (Euphemia ) obituary. My guess would be- it could be a typo -- and should be Durness, Sutherland- north of Assynt. It is where the prominent Ross family is from - Archibald married Peggy Ross/ they were owners of Ross ferry across from Big Harbour- William Ross- rich merchant - Roderick- norman's son in law---
Durness.... Ross/ McKenzie family had many children- quite a few and nephew neices tied up with migration-- geographically I don't look more than 6 or 7 farms away to find -- people.
https://novascotia.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/123.pdf look at Big Harbour and you will see Choan Stewart. the piece of land across is a mcleod who bought it from Duncan prince MacKenzie who built the highand lass etc... you will see many others on the ship lists.
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Effie McLeod--- I can't find a trace of MacLeods in Deerness which i found in Orkney-- Re: Effie (Euphemia ) obituary. My guess would be- it could be a typo -- and should be Durness, Sutherland- north of Assynt. It is where the prominent Ross family is from - Archibald married Peggy Ross/ they were owners of Ross ferry across from Big Harbour- William Ross- rich merchant - Roderick- norman's son in law---
Durness.... Ross/ McKenzie family had many children- quite a few and nephew neices tied up with migration-- geographically I don't look more than 6 or 7 farms away to find -- people.
https://novascotia.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/123.pdf look at Big Harbour and you will see Choan Stewart. the piece of land across is a mcleod who bought it from Duncan prince MacKenzie who built the highand lass etc... you will see many others on the ship lists.
Hello Bev,
It's Jessie McInnes here, I got your book right before you left NZ to go back to Nova Scotia if you remember, (thanks again) my daughter is a Stewart from Archibalds line ;) it's me who posted this original thread. Thanks a lot for your input!
That land map is super interesting to me!!!
Thanks to everyone helping to gather information it really means a lot, I'm fairly new to this level of research so I have no idea where to start for most things I want to know! Very much appreciate all the leads :)
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Hi Jessie,
I noticed on this board- Stewarts were from Skye. For the land map. go to that site and it has all the other maps- click the numbers next to it 122, etc. to get St. Ann's Bay . So glen Tosh is st.Ann's glen. You can see how McGregors Stewarts Macdonalds McLeods, who lived next to each other there settled next to each other at the heads. Thanks for replying. I've never tried this before. And Peggy Ross is in one of the letters- who died by fire.
Bev
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Thes may be of interest..
http://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/results?st=skye
http://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/search/results?st=ullapool
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kdi/
Annie
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...should be Durness, Sutherland- north of Assynt. It is where the prominent Ross family is from - Archibald married Peggy Ross/ they were owners of Ross ferry across from Big Harbour- William Ross- rich merchant - Roderick- norman's son in law---
Durness.... Ross/ McKenzie family had many children- quite a few and nephew neices tied up with migration-- geographically I don't look more than 6 or 7 farms away to find -- people.
I just discovered this message thread from 2017 referencing Ross Ferry in Nova Scotia.
John Ross and Robina Mackenzie who emigrated in 1815-1816 from Sutherland, Scotland to Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, were my 3x great-grandparents. They homesteaded the 200 acre Ross Ferry land parcel on Boularderie Island in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia that is visible on the map you referenced at:
https://novascotia.ca/natr/land/indexmaps/123.pdf
I have started a biography for John Ross here:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ross-18262
John Ross and Robina Mackenzie raised 10 children on the 200 acre parcel at Ross Ferry. Their #2 child Hugh Ross died in NZ and was buried in Symonds Street Cemetery, Auckland. Their #3 child Roderick married Mary Macleod, daughter of Rev. Norman Macleod. Roderick Ross and Mary MacLeod were buried in Waipu Cemetery, NZ. Their #9 child Donald Ross was a surveyor and civil engineer who married Sarah Hendry in Nova Scotia in 1877. Donald and Sarah emigrated to NZ and had four children, three daughters and a son. Their son, named Hugh John Ross, died at the age of 8 months and was buried beneath the same memorial stone as his uncle Hugh Ross in Symonds Street Cemetery, Auckland.
Btw, there is an error on the ship lists at this location:
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/Sebim.shtml#marg
The passenger list for the barque Margaret has two entries for a "Ronald Ross Esq" and none for Roderick Ross. This may be a transcription error. Roderick Ross (1818-1866) married Mary Macleod. They had five chidren as of 1851, then they sailed on the barque Margaret with Rev. Norman Macleod. In 1853 their sixth child Alexander was born in Waipu.
Meanwhile, the other 7 children that John Ross and Robina Mackenzie raised on Cape Breton stayed in Nova Scotia, got married, and raised families in Canada. Their #4 child John Ross was my 2x great-grandfather - he was a farmer, and was buried near New Glasgow, NS. Their #6 child William Ross was a shipbuilder and a successful merchant in NS, and also an MP and Senator in the Parliament of Canada.
Meanwhile, I'm interested in finding more details about Ross Ferry.
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Think his name might be Conn?
skoosh.