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I wonder if anyone would be so kind as to help me?
Would you be able to look at the electoral roll for 1912/13/14 for 42 Oyster Street, Portsmouth.
I am trying to find out if a lady called Beatrice Maud(e) Field is living there?
Thank you in anticipation
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I am trying to find my husbands grandmother birth
The only thing I have is their marriage certificate and that she married to;
Sidney Davis on 3rd June 1912 at Stroud Register office, he was 36 years old a bachelor and just come out of the Army, 1st battalion of the Gloucesertshire Regiment and had been discharged from Cambridge Barracks, Portsmouth on 13 May 1912. He was born in Randwick near Stroud and his father William Davis was deceased.
Beatrice Maud(e) Field married on 3rd June 1912 at Stroud Register office, she was 24 years old, her occupation was Laundress and her residence at the time of her marriage was Rodborough, her fathers name was Alfred John Field whom she states was a salesman.
The witnesses were E Rowles and A Rowles
I know Sidney and Beatrice moved to Croston, Preston, Lancashire shortly after this and had six children.
She died near Croston (Ormskirk) on 19 February 1955
I cannot field her birth, can anyone help or suggest what I should do. I can find lots of Beatrice Field's but none with a father called Alfred.
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1901 has a Beatrice Godwin with father Alfred. She married a Mr Field and can be seen as Beatrice Maud Field on 1911
But her father, although having the right Christian name, is not a salesman. And of course he is Goodwin not Field, and she would not be a spinster at the time of the marriage to Sidney.
So probably a red herring!
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It is possible that she will not appear on the register as women did not generally get the vote at that time ;)
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Hey Lizdb
Yes, I found this around 10 years ago. Thats why I have to find out if Beatrice Maude Field at 42 Oyster Street is there after 1912 as I have checked out all the other Beatrice Maude's born around 1886/87/88 and they have come to nothing.
She had six children and one lived in London and used to holiday at Southsea. He always used to say that's were his Mum came from.
Any help or advise would be much appreciated.
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Oh no. Can you advise of anything else I could do?
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Have you looked for her in the 1939 Register to obtain a birthdate?
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Have you looked for her in the 1939 Register to obtain a birthdate?
sorry what is the 1939 register?
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I must say Beatrice Field nee Godwin looks an extremely strong possibility, especially with the Southsea connection.
Perhaps her marriage did not last. Have you found her husband (John Christopher M Field per the 1905 marriage registration) in 1911 or later records?
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Have you looked for her in the 1939 Register to obtain a birthdate?
sorry what is the 1939 register?
See here:
www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register/what-is-the-1939-register
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The birth registrations of any children that Beatrice had should confirm her maiden name :)
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Look for Alfred John Godwin born 1853 London Greenwich on 1911 Census.
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Oh no. Can you advise of anything else I could do?
Are you just trying to confirm if she was still resident there after the 1911 census :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766430.
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Yes, I am trying to eliminate her, if she married Sidney then she would not be there but if she is not there, she could be the one?
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The birth registrations of any children that Beatrice had should confirm her maiden name :)
This could just be a coincidence as her maiden name according to the children's births on Freebmd is Field. So unless she lied on her marriage certificate and their birth certificates she wasn't married to a Field.
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Which children are you looking at , groom?
Edith Beatrice Field bn 1908 Portsmouth has mmn Godwin
Or are you looking at children of her marriage to Sidney Davis? Do we even know their names and years of birth?
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For it to make sense, see this thread:
2 topics now merged
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From finding her and her family in 1939!
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It looks very much as if Ellen Rosina Godwin, the sister of the Beatrice Maud Field nee Godwin, marries in 1914. You could see who the witnesses were at that marriage - just maybe her sister was one of them either as Field or as Davis. Long shot I know, she could have had anyone as her witnesses!
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From finding her and her family in 1939!
OK - I follow now!
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I really do think the Goodwin one is a coincidence. If that is her, as I said she lied about her father's name, her marriage status and her maiden name on the children's certificates, as if that's her she was a Field by marriage, not by birth.
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Births Sep 1888
GODWIN Beatrice Maud Portsea 2b 481
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I think these threads need to be merged?
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It would be interesting to see if the birthdate on the 1888 Godwin birth reg is that same as that for Beatrice M Davis per 1939.
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This is complicated isn't it? The only way to eliminate or confirm whether Beatrice Maud Godwin and Beatrice Maud Field are the same person is to get B M Godwin's birth certificate. If the date is the same then I agree, we have to assume, unless it is a huge co-incidence that it is. In which case, for some reason she needed to cover up the fact! Could it have been a bigamous marriage to Sydney Davis I wonder and that is why she kept the name Field?
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Sidney Davis was in Portsmouth in 1911, that could be where they met and then Beatrice followed him to Stroud to get married :)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWQQ-KZ2
Sidney Davis
Age 35
Birthplace Randwick Stroud, Gloucestershire
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It is starting to fit! So now we need to find John Christopher M Field after his marriage and a possible death before 1912. I have a feeling there may be a cover up going on though. :D
John Christopher M Field was born 1885 Portsmouth
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I suspect JCM Field was still alive in 1911, possibly as plain John Field in the Portsmouth area but separate from Beatrice (free index suggests).
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Not born 1885 but I'm wondering if this might be his death entry
John C M Field Age 54 Birth year 1882
Death year 1936-40
Place LILLE Country France
Record source GRO Consular Death Indices (1849 to 1965)
Volume 33 Page 115
Record set British Nationals Died Overseas 1818-2005
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Looks good - there is no JCM born 1882.
If so, unless there was a divorce (not common in the early 1900s as it was expensive) she married illegally.
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Alfred John Goodwin was still at No.42 in Dec 1916 - an item in the Portsmouth Evening News.
Re "threads need to be merged" I confess I am a little confused (not that it takes much!!).
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Alfred John Godwin died 30 March 1934, at St Mary's Hospital, Portsmouth. Aged 76
He was obviously much loved, there are notices placed by family members in the Portsmouth Evening News for several days afterwards.
In loving memory from his loving wife, and a granddaughter. Says "United with his son, whom he dearly loved".
In loving memory from his loving daughter Lil, son in law Alf, and a grandson
Ditto from his loving daughter Doll, and son in law Leonard, and two grandchildren
From his loving daughter Edith, son in law Harold, and a granddaughter
From his loving son Sid and daughter in law Ada
There was a Thanks for Sympathy message on 5 April, from Mrs Godwin and family of 42 Oyster Street, Old Portsmouth.
It looks like daughter "Doll" was Ellen Rosina Godwin who seems to have married Leonard Oxford in Portsmouth in 1914 (as mentioned by lizdb), with birth registrations of two children following (matching the names in the announcements)
But nothing from Beatrice Maud!
John
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Which perhaps is pointing more to the fact that she went off with Sydney. I wonder what happened to the two Field grandchildren from 1911?
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There is the granddaughter mentioned in the announcement with Alfred's wife, don't know who she is though.
A possibility for one of the children of John Field + Beatrice -
Birth, June 1906 Portsmouth
Field, Ellen Agnes
mother Godwin
Marriage, June 1929 Portsmouth
Field, Ellen A.
Hodgkinson, Emmanuel
Death, February 2001, North Somerset
Ellen Agnes Hodgkinson
d-o-b 14 April 1906
An Emmanuel Hodgkinson, b 4 January 1900, died Sedgemoor, Somerset, in 1977. Looks like he was born in Doncaster.
John
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I would guess from that marriage in Portsmouth, that if Beatrice did go off with Sydney she left her two children with their grandparents.
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According to the 1939 register. Beatrice Maud Davis (Field) was born on in June 1888. You guys are great.
Were should I go from here. Any ideas?
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Going from what Lizdb was indicating.
They could have indeed met in Portsmouth
Sidney was in The Gloucestershire Regiment and was discharged from Cambridge Barracks, Portsmouth on 13th May 1912.
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According to the 1939 register. Beatrice Maud Davis (Field) was born on in June 1888. You guys are great.
Were should I go from here. Any ideas?
I would get the birth certificate for Beatrice Maud Godwin. If the date of birth on there is the same as the date of birth for Beatrice Maud Davis on the 1939 register, you know it is the same person.
I presume you have the marriage certificate, does she actually describe herself as a spinster? Unless you can find any divorce record, or a death for her first husband before 1912, I'm afraid it looks as if she made a bigamous marriage and that is why she used the name Field.
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Alfred John GODWIN married Ellen Louisa GATES April 1882 Portsmouth, Hampshire and died March 1934 (according to Family tree on Ancestry)
Using the new GRO Index for GODWIN - mother's maiden name GATES
Portsea
1883 : Thomas Alfred
1884 : Frederick Charles
1885 : George Edwin
1886 : James Edward
1888 : Beatrice Maud (Sept Qtr)
1890 : Sidney Ernest - Portsea Island (Dec Qtr)
1892 : Ellen Rosina
1895 : Edith Louisa
1898 : Lilian Violet
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1901 Census, 42 Oyster Street
GODWIN
Alfred - 42 - born Greenwich London
Ellen - 36 - born Hants, Portsmouth
Thomas - 18 - born Southsea
Beatrice - 12 - born Southsea
Sidney - 10 - born Portsmouth
Ellen - 8 - born Portsmouth
Edith - 6 - born Portsmouth
Lilian - 3 - born Portsmouth
James BACKITT ? Nephew - 23 - born Farnham, Hants
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1891 Census
Portsmouth, Portsea Island
Oyster Street
GODWIN
Alfred - 32 - born Greenwich, London
Ellen - 26 - born Hampshire
Thomas - Son - 8 - born Hampshire
Beatrice - Daughter - 2 - born Hampshire
Sydney - Son - 0 - born Hampshire
Harriet TAYLOR - Visitor - 23 - born Hampshire ***
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? on the 1911 census, says Beatrice Maud had given birth to 6 children ? two born alive/two living
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On the 1881 census : Harriet TAYLOR is living with her father in Lancashire : born Freshwater IOW - is this the connection with Beatrice moving up to Lancashire after her marriage...
1881 census
Bootle cum Linacre, Lancashire
TAYLOR
Herbert - 46 - born Germany - General Practitioner
Harriet F TAYLOR - 13 (born Freshwater IOW)
John S TAYLOR - 12
Walter TAYLOR - 6
Marion E TAYLOR - 3
Annie Est. PLYMB - 21
Mary GROVE - 66
Martha MURPHY - 34
Catherine
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Ancestry:
Lancashire Marriage - Forby
12 January 1892
John William LOWE - aged 34, Rancher, Ainsdale
Harriet Fanny TAYLOR - 24 - father: Herbert Taylor (Physican)
1901 census Leicester
LOWE
John Wllliam - 43
Harriett Fanny - 33
Fanny Maud - 8
John Alfred - 5
Thomas Herbert - 3
Dorothy Hope - 1
by 1911 -
Harriet LOWE aged 43 and born Freshwater IOW - is a Widow and a Monthly Nurse, working in Northampton
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Alfred John Goodwin was still at No.42 in Dec 1916 - an item in the Portsmouth Evening News.
Free search of 1939 shows Ellen L Godwin c1864 still resident at the address. ;D
However as the other thread shows it is Beatrice we are interested in.
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I have just merged the 2 topics together.
Regards
Sarah
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To everyone who helped find info Beatrice Maud Field, thank you. I now have her birth certificate and she was born in 17 June 1888.
So my husbands grandmother was Beatrice Maud Godwin born 17 June 1888
Married John Christopher Mumby(Monday) Field in Nov 1905
Had two children with him. Left them in 1912 to run off and marry (bigamously) my husbands grandad (Sidney Davis) in June 1912 using her married name of Beatrice Maud Field in Stroud, Gloucester
Died in Croston, Lancashire in 1955 having borne Sidney six children
LadyHawk in other correspondence you have could have found John CM Fields death in Lille, France between 1936/1940. Can you let me know which archive you used for this. I only gave membership to Ancestry?
Thank you
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in other correspondence you have could have found John CM Fields death in Lille, France between 1936/1940.
Can you let me know which archive you used for this. I only gave membership to Ancestry?
The entry can be found on http://www.findmypast.co.uk Record Set British Nationals Died Overseas 1818-2005
GRO Consular Death Indices (1849 to 1965) image reads as follows
13.
Index to consular Deaths 1936 – 1941 FAB - FRA.
Age Consulate vol. page
Field, John C. M. 54 Lille 33 115
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Family Seach has two entries for John C M Fields buried 24 March 1939 in France
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I don't know if this is the same person
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=56601584&ref=acom
John C M Fields
Death Date: 24 Mar 1939
Cemetery: Longuenesse Souvenir Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Longuenesse, Departement du Pas-de-Calais, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
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Hi guys
Where do I go to obtain a copy of John Field's death certificate. Do you think he was in the RN before the war?
Thankyou
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Another possiblity
Deaths Jun 1974
DAVIS Beatrice Maud 15SE1887 Greenwich 12 1177
Birth registered:-
GODWIN, BEATRICE MAUD GATES
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 481
This is a year later than dob on death record, but depends on who the informant was.
The 1939 record gives 17th June 1888. Was that accurate? Who knows?