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Hi,
Have been doing my family history for a number of years on and off and have recently taken up a course which got me heading down a particular road. I am after information on a Margaret (nee Peers) and Peter Robinson who married in Liverpool, Lancashire on the 17th May, 1824. I believe she ended up a convict and was sent to VDL in 1832 but another person tracing this family disputes this is the case even though others have also added this Margaret to their trees. Is there anyone on Rootschat have Margaret or Peter Robinson in their trees. Thank you.
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Hi,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
It would appear that the Margaret Robinson who was transported in 1832 was aged 27 and a married women, however the offence was carried out in Dudley, Worcestershire. Therefore could this be Margaret Robinson who married in Lancashire?
JJ
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For the benefit of others
St Peter Liverpool
17th May 1824
Peter Robinson,labourer,the Parish of Liverpool
Margaret Peers of the same Parish
witnessed by W Maybrick and Robert Johnson
are they the Fazakerley Robinsons
Jane born 8Th October 1824
Elizabeth 6th August 1826
John 21st August 1828
Margaret 2nd November 1830.possibly died aged 12,4th October 1842,Wright St Scotland Rd,
William 7th July 1833
Samuel 13th October 1835
abode Walton Hill
father a labourer
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There appears to be a further child James with parents Peter and Margaret mmn Peers born in 1838 christened in Walton Hill.
If this is the right family, then the mother Margaret was obviously not transported in 1832.
Bev
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Thank you to all. It is so confusing and certainly maybe the case I have been given the wrong Margaret Robinson. Oh well back to the drawing board. Your help is much appreciated.
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I think three of the children James,Margaret and Samuel are in the workhouse
1841 census
West Derby Work house Walton on the Hill
a marriage to look at,as it may be the Jane Robinson daughter of Peter and Margaret
St Mary Walton on the Hill
20th Jan 1845
George Jarvis,bachelor full age,carpenter of Everton
Jane Robinson,full age spinster of Everton,
Grooms father James Jarvis,mariner
Brides father Peter Robinson,labourer,(deceased)
witnessed by William Bannister and Robert Walsh
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Ok. Can I then ask for help please. My convict Margaret Robinson who I believe is my ancestor but after all the responses who knows now. Came out on the ship Hydrey to VDL in 1832. She was 27 years old. It was noted she was married, could read and write and had two children. Any help now would be appreciated.
Regards,
Kerryn
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"Husband Peter Robinson at Manchester. Married with 2 Children"
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON40-1-7,312,293,L,70
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If you could give us a starting point in your line then perhaps we could follow the line back in the hope of clarifying who the correct Margaret was.
JJ
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If you could give us a starting point in your line then perhaps we could follow the line back in the hope of clarifying who the correct Margaret was.
JJ
Yes, please could you clarify what fact you are certain of - that your ancestor was a convict or that her maiden name was Peers.
Bev
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I will get what information I had and post it over the weekend. I don't know how Peers came into it but clearly I need to forget that. I may not have anymore to go by but I will check. I appreciate everyones help and support.
Kerryn
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Just to add, the Margaret Robinson transported to VDL on the Hydery was convicted at Worcester Quarter Sessions.
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/robinson/margaret/80132
The person who has given the information that this is Margaret Peers (which looks to be mistaken now) has a tree on Ancestry.
Bev
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This baptism and burial may be for the same child:
Caroline ROBINSON
Baptised 26 Apr 1829
SAINT NICHOLAS,GLOUCESTER,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Peter ROBINSON
Mother's Name: Margaret
Caroline ROBINSON
Burial: 18 Mar 1836 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Age: 7 yrs
Abode: 7 Mill Street
Daughter of the late Peter Robinson & Margaret
Buried by: R.C.
Register: Burials 1836, Page 369, Entry 2947
Source: FHL Film 1545610
Debra :)
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Hi, Margaret appears on the Female Convicts Database www.femaleconvicts.org.au and shows two alias names, being Margaret Hughes (taken from a marriage record) and also Margaret Peers, also taken from a marriage record. This database is actually hosted by a third party, being the University of Tasmania. You need to register to access it but the results are free. It could be that someone else thinks the Peter Robinson/Margaret Peers marriage is correct, but it may not be.
The database also shows that on Margaret’s convict description her native place is Liverpool.
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It is unfortunate that these type of databases often include user submitted information without identifying it as such.
Margaret's convict records are all available to read on the Tas Archives website.
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/?
Debra :)
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Contemporary press reports from the Worcester Journal - October 1831 and her earlier conviction in January 1830:
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Does anyone know the significance of the word "Paper" written above her name on the Conduct Record?
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I am pretty emotional at the moment. I cannot believe how many of you have taken the time to help. I have a funeral and a granddaughter's birthday party here later tomorrow so will respond better on Sunday when I get some quiet time and can take all this in. I do believe now that Margaret Peers is not my Margaret Robinson and although I am shattered, I am glad to have found out now after only 6 months of trying to piece it all together. I cannot thank you all enough. It has been an eye opener. Cheers
Kerryn
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Ok. I have been tracing my convict John Amey (Jnr) border 1811 He was sentenced on 2nd January, 1838 for highway robbery. He was transported to VDL on the Lord William Bentinck2 in April 1838 and arrived in Hobart. His father also known as John Amey was also a convict who was transported to Australia
John met up with a Margaret Robinson who we believe was also a convict and they had a daughter Charlotte around 1842. There was no marriage between them found and there is no record of a birth certificate for Charlotte either.
John received his TOL and travelled to Gippsland and Charlotte followed not long later. All the trees that I have searched that have my family in it have Margaret Peers and so I followed the same line but nothing seemed to marry up but I have been in contact with a couple of the tree owners and they were sure we had the same Margaret.
I hope this makes sense. I have always followed Margaret Robinson who arrived in Hobart in 1832 about the Hydrey. This is I believe the right Margaret in Hobart but we have the wrong Margaret in England. Hope this makes sense.
Kerryn
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There are a lot of Margaret Robinsons in Tasmania :( as the various marriage records show.
It may be a coincidence but there is an entry in the Marriage Permissions records for a Margt Robinson who arrived on the Hydrey, getting permission to marry a William Lester on 4th November 1840 and William Hughes in 1846 ???
Maybe a silly question, but may I ask how you know that John Amey's partner and Charlotte's mother is Margaret Robinson if there are no marriage or birth records?
John appears to have been a bad lad in prison and was doing hard labour in 1842 and the early part of 1843. I wonder how he managed to find a girl and get her pregnant.
Bev
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.....may I ask how you know that John Amey's partner and Charlotte's mother is Margaret Robinson
When Charlotte AMEY married in Victoria in 1859 she said she was aged 17, born in Hobart Town, parents named as John AMEY and Margaret ROBINSON.
It may be a coincidence but there is an entry in the Marriage Permissions records for a Margt Robinson who arrived on the Hydrey, getting permission to marry a William Lester on 4th November 1840 and William Hughes in 1846 ???
She was given permission to marry William LESTER but they did not marry. She then applied to marry William HUGHES and they did marry in 1846.
John appears to have been a bad lad in prison and was doing hard labour in 1842 and the early part of 1843. I wonder how he managed to find a girl and get her pregnant.
Bev
Where are you seeing that?
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-3,400,12,L,70
Debra :)
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I remember someone saying that she was of bad character as well and so I must have put 2 and 2 together but someone did say that she was in the nursery at some stage. Could this have been another wild goose chase. On Charlotte's wedding certificate it states her mother as Margaret Robinson but on her death certificate it states unknown. Can I added attachments if so I will organise for them to be attached. Don't worry Just saw the button attachments. I will get on this tomorrow.
thanks again. Cheers
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When Charlotte AMEY married in Victoria in 1859 she said she was aged 17, born in Hobart Town, parents named as John AMEY and Margaret ROBINSON.
1842 baptism for Charlotte at St Joseph's Roman Catholic Church, Hobart
M :)
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I see they are Roman Catholic. I found something earlier but have been out all day and have something else to do tonight but that maybe why you can't find the correct marriage in England for Peter Robinson and Margaret.
I notice this burial in Manchester which is likely to be an RC burial and Peter is deceased.
Burial: 18 Mar 1836 Collegiate, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Caroline Robinson - Daughter of the late Peter Robinson & Margaret
Age: 7 yrs
Abode: 7 Mill Street
Buried by: R.C.
Register: Burials 1836, Page 369, Entry 2947
Source: FHL Film 1545610
Note: Peter Robinson is deceased.
This needs further investigation but there is a baptism for a Margaret Berkin on Familysearch, born 17 Nov 1805, baptised 8 Dec 1805 at St Mary, Stafford, daughter of Thomas Berkin and Catherine.
Also on Familysearch is a marriage at Swynnerton, Stafford between Peter Robinson and Margaret Birkin on 3 Jul 1826.
Margaret Robinson was tried in Dudley which is not that far from Staffordshire, so it is a reasonable assumption that Margaret could be Margaret Birkin/Berkin?
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Oh my. I cannot believe you found it. I searched and searched. Clearly I am useless. I don't think anyone else has found it either so thank you. Now you have given me something to work on. I am over the moon. Kerryn. ;) :)
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Kerryn, you are not useless and it is not quite proven yet. I just thought it was a good possibility.
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Thank you Gail, I have just worked out who is writing the messages, a bit slow picking up on the forum site. I have searched high and low but to be honest never thought of checking the church records. I think that my Charlotte who died in Junee in NSW is buried on the Catholic section at Foster. Will need to go and have a look again. I know where it is so will not have to search. She apparently was a lovely lady.
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My mistake, I see you were talking about Charlotte's baptism rather than the marriage and baptism for Margaret Birken/Berkin.
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I am appreciative of all Gail. It is all brilliant
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Oh my. I cannot believe you found it. I searched and searched. Clearly I am useless. I don't think anyone else has found it either so thank you. Now you have given me something to work on. I am over the moon. Kerryn. ;) :)
The church records are only at Tas Archives so no, you are not useless. Matthew is a legend for going to the Archives for you. The thing about Tasmania is that so many births were not registered but most children were baptised, so the church records should always be the next step.
Kerryn do you have a copy of John AMEY's 1894 death certificate? I would like to know what it says about his spouses and children.
Debra :)
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Also on Familysearch is a marriage at Swynnerton, Stafford between Peter Robinson and Margaret Birkin on 3 Jul 1826.
I think that couple can be followed through the census living in Swynnerton in 1841 and then later in Stone.
Debra :)
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John appears to have been a bad lad in prison and was doing hard labour in 1842 and the early part of 1843. I wonder how he managed to find a girl and get her pregnant.
Bev
Where are you seeing that?
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON31-1-3,400,12,L,70
Debra :)
Apologies, I mis-read the prison record :(
Bev
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Yes I do have have a copy of it and I will scan it and attach it. Thank you again.
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I have just loaded a copy of John Amey's death certificate. It does not mention Margaret at all. Hopefully this weekend being a long weekend I can start doing some research on all the help you have given me.
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Charlotte told her children that she attended a Government School in Tasmania until she was
13 years old. If she was the illegitimate daughter of two convicts this may have been an Institution where she was required to remain for a set amount of years. If she returned to Port Albert with John in 1852 aged 13... Ivan Frederick Amey's Family history assumes that John Amey's trip to Hobart in 1854 (??) on the"Mary Ann" was to bring Charlotte home to Port Albert.
We put two and two together and ... came up with 1. the timing was right 2. the age was almost right 3. the fact that she states her mother's name at marriage 4. Margaret (Peers) was placed in the Female Factory Nursery at the time. 5. John Amey's journey to Hobart
I went to the Female Factory a few years ago and was told that there were no birth records kept for the children of Convicts and that the children were housed at the Orphan School until age 13.
Congratulations on getting a Baptism Certificate. I see they gave their names as Amey but I don't think they wed. Convicts had to apply for permission and as you know Margaret applied twice but not to John.
Sometimes you just have to make a 'best guess'
The following maybe of interest:
Female Convict Research Centre Inc.
Spring Seminar, Sunday, 28th October 2018
Topic: A Great Blessing? Convict Women and Orphan School Children
Our next seminar explores the links between convict women and orphan school children. Lieutenant-Governor Arthur believed it would be ‘a great blessing’ for the children of convicts to be removed from their parents. He established the Orphan Schools to house and educate them. Children were taken from their convict mothers once they were weaned and sent to the bleak Orphan Schools at New Town. Some were as young as two.
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Thank you for that information. I have not had a chance to follow this up further as help other families do their tree. I appreciate your input on this. I did find Margaret Robinson's name on the book at the Female Factory a couple of years ago so I was confident it was her deep down but like always I second guess.
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