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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Jennie on Tuesday 28 February 17 10:07 GMT (UK)
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I am just wondering if anyone could help me, please, with a lookup for my ancestors in Durham? I have only found them in the 1851 census - I cannot find them before or after that, although I know they were there because their children's births - and their deaths - were registered in Stockton between 1838 and 1865. This is the info I have from the 1851 census:
Peter Macdonald Head M 48 Ireland
Catherine Macdonald Wife F 43 Ireland
Agnes Macdonald Daughter F 19 Scotland
John Thos Macdonald Son M 17 Scotland
Isabella Macdonald Daughter F 13 Scotland
Cathrine Macdonald Daughter F 10 Bartley, Durham
James Macdonald Son M 7 Middlesbro, Yorkshire
Robert Macdonald Son M 5 Middlesbro, Yorkshire
William Macdonald Son M 3 Middlesbro, Yorkshire
Sometimes the surname is spelled McDonald. Isabella was my great-grandmother, and, although she was born in Glasgow, Scotland, I have just discovered, from this census, that her parents Peter and Catherine, were born in Ireland! No wonder I could not find their marriage! I've been hunting for them in Scotland for years! I had always believed Isabella was Scottish. I was just wondering if anyone can find the family for me in any of the other censuses, as I would love to be able to knock down this brick wall.
Many many thanks in advance.
Jennie
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Link to topic on IRELAND board-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766310.msg6182671#msg6182671
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1861:
St Wilfred's Place, Bishop Auckland
Peter McDonald 60 widower labourer born Scotland
James Edward McDonald 17 son coal miner born Middlesbrough
Robert McDonald 16 son coal miner born Middlesbrough
William McDonald 14 son coal miner born Middlesbrough
James Langan 28 son in law coal miner born Scotland
Agnes Langan 28 daughter born Middlesbrough
John Thomas Langan 7 grandson scholar born Houghton le Spring, Durham
Mary Langan 5 granddaughter scholar born Sherburn, Durham
Peter Langan 2 grandson born Sherburn, Durham.
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Hi Jennie could this be them in the 1841 census Civil Parish Stranton Durham Piece 316 Book 12 Folio 24
Peter Macdonald age 38 Labourer born Scotland ( labourer )
Catherine Macdonald age 30 born Scotland
Peter 14, Maria 12,Agnes 10, John 8, Isabella 3,Catherine 1
Children all down as being born Durham and tillypeg has posted I would say the same family on the 1861 census
Rosie
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There is a death for a Catherine McDonald Apr--June 1855
Durham which might be her as Peter is listed as widowed on the 1861 census
Rosie
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GRO Index search for Catharine McDonald's death gives age 54.
Agnes McDonald married James Lanigan S1853 Stockton10a 117, but apparently not listed on FreeBMD ???
Peter Langan's birth registration gives McDonald as MMN. Also John Thomas Langan.
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Agnes McDonald married James Lanigan S1853 Stockton10a 117, but apparently not listed on FreeBMD ???
The sheets for the Quarterly Returns for marriages had spaces for two marriages a page from 1852, so there should only be two males and two females, and for S 1853 Stockton10a 117 there are
Marriages Sep 1853
ACKWITH Thomas Stockton 10a 117
Defty Henry Stockton 10a 117
SHIPPY Jane Stockton 10a 117
WATSON Margaret Stockton 10a 117
So there cannot be an other marriage with that reference. Where did you get the entry for
Agnes McDonald and James Lanigan from?
Stan
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Hi,
Daughter Catherine age 10 in 1851 - her mother's maiden name was DRYDEN, from the GRO site
MACDONALD, CATHERINE DRYDEN
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in DURHAM AND LANCHESTER Volume 24 Page 86
I think the birthplace from 1851 is meant to be Birtley which is in Chester-le-Street district.
Durham records online index has a baptism in Chester-le-Street district of Catherine Bridget MCDonald parents Peter & Catherine in 1840 but you would need credits to get further details.
In 1861 John Thomas McDonald 27 born Scotland may be the one living in Wellington St, Middlesbrough with wife Maria 23 and son John Thomas 3 ref RG09/3685/100 p27 - page 28 has Maria P daughter age 1 and visitor Catherine 21 born Durham
In 1841 there is conflicting evidence regarding birthplaces, but the order of children is correct - all children down as born Co.Durham -familysearch.org transcript
ref HO107/316/23/9
New Stranton DUR
Peter McDonald 38 Scotland
Cathrine " 30 "
Peter " 14 Dur
Maria " 12
Agnes " 10
John " 8
Isabella " 3
Catherine " 1
1861 best match I can find is St Wilfred's Place Bishop Auckland DUR RG09/3705/62/7
Peter McDonald 60 Scotland widower labourer
James Edward son 17 Middlesbrough
Robert son 16 "
William son 14 "
James LANGAN son in law 28 scotland
AGNES LANGAN dau 28 Middlesbrough
John Thos. LANGAN gdson 7 Houghton le Spring DUR
and page 8
Mary LANGAN gddau 5 DUR Sherburn
Peter LANGAN gdson 2 " "
marriage Stockton district James LANIGAN & Agnes McDonald june q 1853 10a page 117 line 32
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Marriage found on FindMyPast, tried to attach a snip of the GRO handwritten index, but Attachments link doesn't seem to be working..... just goes to the Options element not the attach.
Burial on Durham Records Online for Catherine McDonald in 1855 at Lanchester, "of Leadgate", born c1801.
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Marriages Jun 1853
Donkin Eleanor Stockton 10a 117
Lanigan James Stockton 10a 117
McDonald Agnes Stockton 10a 117
Rees David Stockton 10a 117
Stan
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Still trying to attach the snip! Tried on some other threads and the "Attachments and other options" link works, others only give you the options. Trystan - can you explain please?!
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Sorry everyone, it is J1853.... :-[ not S1853.
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Burial from Lanchester Bishops Transcript April 1855 Catherine McDonald
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1Z3-1MQ?mode=g&i=831&wc=9K59-ZNG%3A13618101%2C29240801%2C29240802&cc=1309819
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Still trying to attach the snip! Tried on some other threads and the "Attachments and other options" link works, others only give you the options. Trystan - can you explain please?!
Atttachments are not allowed on Lookup Requests boards.
Stan
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Thanks for explaining that Stan, I didn't know. Seems a bit strange - if I did a look-up at say, my local studies library, as I did the other day for another person, that I then have to ask for their personal email address to send a scanned Parish Register entry to them. I know that you can't do attachments to PMs.
Anyway, back to the matter in hand...... I am sure that Jennie will be very pleased to read the replies when she logs in again.
Tilly
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Apparently Trystan disabled the function due to copyright concerns.
Stan
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Maybe Jennie could ask for the thread to be moved to Northumberland board for any uploads?
Annie
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1841 census Civil Parish Stranton Durham Piece 316 Book 12 Folio 24
Peter Macdonald age 38 Labourer born Scotland ( labourer )
Catherine Macdonald age 30 born Scotland
Peter 14, Maria 12,Agnes 10, John 8, Isabella 3,Catherine 1
Rosie
That's interesting Rosie & very helpful as the 1841 normally only states 'y' or 'n' for whether born in County.
Annie
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There is a death for a Catherine McDonald Apr--June 1855
Rosie
If that's the correct person such a pity she hadn't died in Scotland as the info. would have been so detailed (only for 1855) :(
Annie
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So confusing Annie in 1841 box ticked born in Scotland /Ireland ..1851 Peter and Catherine both born Ireland ...1861 Peter born in Scotland ???...Not seeing any births for the children born in Scotland ...see a few possible for Stockton ....
Rosie
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Rosie,
I had the same problem with one of mine, couldn't decide if he was Irish or Scottish ::)
It was MonicaL who found him b Scotland.
Trouble there was....my family from himself down the line were Protestant but he was b Catholic which I hadn't considered in Scottish records :P
Annie
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Have tried looking at Catholic registers also on S P but no luck and I never seem to have much luck with the Irish Records ...This is the trouble I have tracing back on Husbands side ;D
Rosie
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Rosie,
I'm the same with further back eras for Catholics in Ireland, such a palaver the way the records are set out & having to know which Parish etc.
The whole point of searching is because we don't know ??? ;D
Just a wee note for Jennie..
It's also worth checking both Peter/Patrick as they were interchangeable probably deriving from the gaelic for Peter being Padraig.
Annie
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Oh my goodness!!! Thank you all so, soooo much!! This is absolutely amazing!! Until today, I had only found Isabella and her family in the 1851 census and I had no knowledge of her family. And now look at all this!! You have all worked wonders, and I am so grateful. Thanks a million!! :D :D :D
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Tillypeg, you say you found the marriage on the Findmypast site?? Was this the marriage of Peter McDonald and Catherine Dryden? If so, are there details ... i.e. was it in Ireland, or Scotland, and in which year please?? Thank you again! Jennie
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Sorry Jennie, it was the marriage of James Lanigan to Agnes McDonald in 1853 (and then I mixed up the quarter and Stan put me right ;))
Plenty for you to think about anyway!
Tilly