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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Torwoodlee on Sunday 26 February 17 12:06 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I'm trying to find out what happened to Margaret Fitzpatrick, born about 1857 in Prescot. Her parents were Catherine Fitzpatrick (nee Duggan) and Thomas Fitzpatrick. I have found her in the 1861 and 1871 censuses but she disappears after that. The rest of her family appear in the 1881 census with Thomas Fitzpatrick listed as Head but there is also a mystery grandchild, Thomas Fitzpatrick. I am speculating that this child could have been Margaret's as he did not belong to her elder brother James nor her younger sister Julia (I have proof of this). I'm wondering if she died between 1871 and 1881 but I can't find a death record.
Might I point out that her elder brother James married a woman named Margaret Black to avoid any confusion; Margaret Black died as Margaret Fitzpatrick in 1881. Also, there was a Margaret Fitzpatrick that I found in 1881 in Liverpool but it is not the woman I'm looking for as it states that she was born in Liverpool; she was definitely born in Prescot.
I hope that someone can help!
Thank you
Borderslass :)
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Lancs opc has the burial in Prescot 8 June 1881 for a Margaret Fitzpatrick aged 28 which gives a birth year of 1853. otherwise, like you, I can't find her anywhere.
Emeltom
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Unfortunately, that is the wrong Margaret Fitzpatrick; that individual was the wife of James Fitzpatrick, the person in question's elder brother.
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Soory. Should have read your first post properly!
Emeltom
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but there is also a mystery grandchild, Thomas Fitzpatrick.
Maybe the birth for him would help in some way, at least confirm if your Margaret was his mother.
No mothers maiden name on the birth registration but there were other siblings who could have been his mother :-\
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The only birth reg that I can find for a Thomas Fitzpatrick with mother's maiden name also Fitzpatrick is Q1 1874 Liverpool. Vol 8b page 26. Does this birth reg tie up with what you have for the mystery grandchild on the census ?
John
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There is this marriage in St Helens which might be your Margaret?
7 Oct 1882 Margaretam FITZPATRICK Michaelem ROCK St Mary's (Lowe House) RC
December Qtr 1882 Prescot 8b 1094
Having said that, the only Margaret Rock married to a Michael that I can find in the 1891c is at 31 Atherton St, Windle, St Helens and the record has been transcribed as 'Roch'. Unfortunately, it shows that this Margaret is 29 and from Queens County, Ireland. So doesn't look like yours anyway.
I can't see a death for Margaret Rock between 1882-1891.
Will keep looking.
Kit
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Thank you Kit, I appreciate you help as well as the help of the rest of you. It's quite a tricky one, isn't it? I think that I'll have to get the grandson, Thomas Fitzpatrick's birth certificate. I did find his army records and he did marry; I also found his death certificate attached and he was in the 1939 register. On his army records, he lists his next of kin as his Aunt Julia Fitzpatrick (he was in the army in the late 1800s as well as WW1 which was of some help). This is what is leading me to assume his mother may have been Margaret and that she may have died.
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With a birth of 1857 she may well have married by 1881.
Lancashire BMD lists 14 'Margaret Fitzpatrick' marriages between 1875 and 1881, so rather than buy all of the certificates it may be worth placing an order with the GRO but stating you don't know the GRO reference and stipulating that the father's name must be Thomas. If you give (say) 1878 as the year, they will search two one year either side.
Edit: Oops just realised you also need to give place of marriage. Still doable though, but may take a few attempts.
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It is possible that she married, but if young Thomas Fitzpatrick is her son then he was illegitimate since he kept the Fitzpatrick name. Also, why would he be living with his grandparents and not with his mother or mother and step father? More questions seem to arise! ???
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Could you not get the birth for Thomas to confirm she was his mother?
I know we are looking for Margaret specifically but she had other siblings who could have been his mother - have they all been ruled out?
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I'm assuming that this is Thomas's birth - MMN blank, implying she was unmarried.
FITZPATRICK, THOMAS -
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 699
Therefore Margaret (assuming she was the mother) could have married any time from Q1 1877 - Q1 1881 and would show on the census under her married name, assuming she remained in the UK.
Using Lancashire BMD & cross-referencing the 1881 ones with FreeBMD, there are 10 potential marriages in this period.
Many illegitimate children were left with grandparents or other family members, including my own Great Grandfather. It wasn't at all unusual.
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I have to order Thomas Fitzpatrick's birth certificate. Margaret had three sisters, Ann, Mary Ellen and Julia. Ann had been long married for 15 years at this point and Julia was a child when he was born. The other sister was Mary Ellen, married in 1880, who is my partner's great great grandmother. So, that being said, it is down to Margaret (most likely) or Mary Ellen (not impossible). Mary Ellen did go on to have eleven children so I'm not sure why she would abandon Thomas Fitzpatrick if he was her son because in subsequent censuses after 1881, he never lived with her.
Also, I can not find young Thomas Fitzpatrick in the 1891 census; I did find him in 1901 as a boarder. :-\
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Looks like another daughter Catherine who was 17 in 1871. But she is married by 1881 with a daughter born 1873 so unlikely to be her.
Could be Mary Ellen if she was unmarried at the time and unable to cope with a child.
I can't find young Thomas in 1891 either :-\
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Thanks Milliepede, it isn't Catherine because she married in 1872, young Thomas was born in 1877 and as he was listed as Thomas Fitzpatrick, this rules her out. This leaves Margaret or Mary Ellen. I'm still trying to find young Thomas also in 1891; no luck yet :-\
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Hi I have a Thomas Fitzpatrick who was registered as illigitamate child of Agnes Fitzpatrick I believe she went on to marry a Joseph Dunne and Thomas Fitzpatrick then became known as Thomas Joseph Dunne at the age of 3. I have birth certificate. Sorry I should have said Agnes father was Abraham Fitzpatrick
Margaret Mcilroy married 1882 and again to a Margaret Cunning 1904
I also have another Abraham Fitzpatrick who married Mary Cunningham
And again to a Ellen Mclauchlan he was 56 and a journey man and Ellen was 19 and a waitress. I’m just starting out with family tree and so I’m slightly overwhelmed with all the names and dates
And trying to keep record of them all if you would like any the certificates for these people I can send you them dx