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Title: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: Tom 23 on Friday 17 February 17 22:45 GMT (UK)

Hi
Through familysearch I think I may have had a break with a brickwall that I have been trying to crack for years.
The last trace I could find for a relative born Pamela McIntyre in 1913 in Surrey, was on a passenger manifest dated 1959, with stated future intended country of permanent residence Gran Canaria. 
It has frustrated me for ages as she is the only deceased person on my family tree who I do not have the date of death completed for, however....
Pamela was married twice and her first married name was Brooker. 
I found on the attached index the death registration for a Pamela Brooker b 1913 who died in Barcelona in 1969.  (Pamela's entry is 3rd up from bottom)

I would like to order her death certificate to make certain it is my relative, but cannot find the method to do this for a death in 1969.  I have checked the British deaths overseas and she is not on this.
Thanks for any help.

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: bettyespana on Saturday 18 February 17 13:08 GMT (UK)

Don't know if this will help but I live in Spain & I believe that when a Uk person dies here the death has to be notified to the British Consulate.
It may be worth you contacting them.Other than that maybe the Foreign & Commonwealth Office may be able to assist.

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 18 February 17 13:37 GMT (UK)

Have a look at this page from The National Archives:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-sea-or-abroad/

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: Tom 23 on Saturday 18 February 17 21:36 GMT (UK)

Thanks for the suggestions  :)

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 18 February 17 23:00 GMT (UK)

Quote from: bettyespana on Saturday 18 February 17 13:08 GMT (UK)

Don't know if this will help but I live in Spain & I believe that when a Uk person dies here the death has to be notified to the British Consulate.
It may be worth you contacting them.Other than that maybe the Foreign & Commonwealth Office may be able to assist.

That seems to be incorrect.

There is no legal obligation for the death overseas of a British national to be registered with the British Embassy. However, there are the advantages that a British style death certificate is then available and that a record of the death is afterwards held at the General Register Office in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/446621/Bereavement_Information_for_Spain.pdf

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: Sam Swift on Saturday 18 February 17 23:44 GMT (UK)

Hi

In  the index image the  ESTADO (state i.e single = s, V = viuda or widowed and "D" would divorciado/a = divorced).

This form can be used to purchase but the purchaser will have to provide amongst otherthings their passport details
https://registros-civiles.org/tramitacion-de-certificado-de-defuncion/

 

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: Sam Swift on Saturday 18 February 17 23:54 GMT (UK)

Actually last post may be some private company offering a certificate service.

Try this one - Spanish Government site
https://sede.mjusticia.gob.es/eCertificados/CertificadoDefuncion.do?lang=es_es&idtramite=1215327470343&idpagina=1215197884559

Type in Cataluna in Comunidad autonoma box and Barcelona in the other and it should then take you to the next step :

https://sede.mjusticia.gob.es/eCertificados/CertificadoDefuncion.do

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: Tom 23 on Sunday 19 February 17 11:57 GMT (UK)

Thank you Sam for the advice, the Estado abbreviation D also adds more weight that this is who I have been looking for as Pamela was divorced.

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 19 February 17 13:11 GMT (UK)

In the case of a divorced woman I wonder if she would be listed under the surnames of both husbands? if so, would be a further check to see if you've found the right person

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: Tom 23 on Sunday 19 February 17 15:25 GMT (UK)

Quote from: aghadowey on Sunday 19 February 17 13:11 GMT (UK)

In the case of a divorced woman I wonder if she would be listed under the surnames of both husbands? if so, would be a further check to see if you've found the right person

Thanks for the suggestion, no luck though.

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: Erin2012 on Friday 24 February 17 20:24 GMT (UK)

That seems to be incorrect.

There is no legal obligation for the death overseas of a British national to be registered with the British Embassy. However, there are the advantages that a British style death certificate is then available and that a record of the death is afterwards held at the General Register Office in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/446621/Bereavement_Information_for_Spain.pdf
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But we are talking about Spain in 1969. This may not have been the case then.

Title: Re: Spanish Death Certificate how to obtain (death was in 1969)
Post by: mrsruz on Saturday 25 February 17 06:56 GMT (UK)

Have you tried contacting the authorities in Barcelona.
The death will have been registered there, whether the British authorities were notified or not.
In the small town where I live, the records are kept by the Town Hall, but not sure if this would be the case with a city as large as Barcelona.
Might be worth contacting them to ask.