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Going through my family tree we seemed to have come across as scandal
John barnett seems to have married his adopted daughter
beatrice wingate was john barnetts adopted daughter,,,,his wife died,,,and then he married beatrice...
can you advise if this is even legal??? ?
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Was there adoption records in 1891?
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Was there adoption records in 1891?
No - prior to 1927 it was informal arrangements between family/friends etc
He was not her biological father and unrelated to her so nothing illegal when he married her.
Presume she was his wifes daughter from an earlier marriage/relationship?
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The list of prohibited degrees a man may not marry his Wife’s daughter;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=743293.msg5901099#msg5901099
Stan
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Presume she was his wifes daughter from an earlier marriage/relationship?
That would make her his step daughter rather than adopted daughter and as Stan said, illegal. If however she was no relation, it was probably okay, especially as at that time there was no formal adoption.
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Beatrice Mary wingate born Ledbury 1887, no mothers maiden name shown, so maybe she was an informal adoption.
Did john Barnett marry a cousin Louisa Barnett.
Mike
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There is a baptism for Beatrice in Colwell on 5 July 1887 as Beatrice Mary, mother Sarah Wingate spinster, residence is Colwell.
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Yes Mike that the same family
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If John's wife Louisa's maiden name was Barnett, then Beatrice was nothing to do with Louisa.
As I said in my earlier post, Beatrice's baptism shows a mother called Sarah Wingate. You may wish to consider obtaining Beatrice's birth certificate to see who is actually mentioned on it.
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I'm getting a tad confused with John Barnett
On the 1901 census he is a widower with two sons Arthur b.1892 and Charles b. 1898. Also with him are Beatrice Wingate, Esther Baldwin and her children. Esther is described as Mother in Law.
The GRO reveals that Arthur and Charles's mother's maiden name is Baldwin.
This would imply that John married a Baldwin.
I have traced Louisa Jane Baldwin birth registered March Quarter 1862 Ledbury 6a 440, to the 1871 census with parents Esther and James. Esther is the same one who appears in 1901 with John Barnett.
However I cannot seem to find a marriage of Louisa Baldwin to a Barnett. There is of course the 1885 marriage of John to Louisa both with the surname of Barnett.
I see that Louisa dies in 1900 aged 39.
I've just found a baptism for Arthur John Barnett on 17 April 1892, parents John and Louisa Jane Barnett, residence Colwall.
So how did Louisa acquire the surname Barnett ??? ???
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hi there
that was what was confusing me? Maybe there was a mix up in the names at the time of writing the records. Louisa Baldwin would be a better match.
I think I will have to order beatrice birth certificate to gain further information
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Do you actually have a copy of the 1885 marriage certificate ?
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How about ordering John and Louisa's marriage cert while you're at it?
Marriages Dec 1885
BARNETT John Ledbury 6a 920
BARNETT Louisa Jane Ledbury 6a 920
You can then check to see who Louisa's father is.
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I think you will find this is a mis-transcription in the FreeBMD index.
FamilySearch lists the marriage of Louisa Jane BALDWIN to a BARNETT (no first name shown) at Colwall, Herefordshire on 23/12/1885. Her father James BALDWIN, his Richard BARNETT.
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No unfotunatley I dont, just lots of notes hae been passed to me, i have a handwritten note of a father for beatrice of Allan jones
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Colwall parish registers have been independently transcribed and are available online, Beatrice,s mother is Sarah Wingate spinster, no father mentioned,and the marriage is Barnett and Baldwin,
Batchelor and spinster.
Mike