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Title: Birth Print out
Post by: Suzy W on Friday 17 February 17 03:21 GMT (UK)
Hi everyone.

I know the death print out has quite a bit of info.  So is it worth paying for a birth print out and what will be on it?

Suzy W
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: spades on Friday 17 February 17 03:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Suzy W,

What year are you looking at?

Generally, it should state name of child and parents, mother's maiden name, father's occupation, place and date of birth.

Spades
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Suzy W on Friday 17 February 17 03:49 GMT (UK)
1872. I know date of birth and parents, plus occupation.  So it wouldn't give me much more than I already know?
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: spades on Friday 17 February 17 04:10 GMT (UK)
A little more.

See Mk2_Zephyr's very informative topic here.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=259108.0

Spades
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 17 February 17 19:08 GMT (UK)

1872. I know date of birth and parents, plus occupation.  So it wouldn't give me much more than I already know?

Hi Suzy

Yep, probably not.   ;D
I recently "splashed out" and purchased two birth printouts (ex Westland) for years 1871 and 1873 ... helpful for learning a more precise place of birth and for confirmation of mother's maiden name.   Printout also gave "name of informant to birth and an occupation and address".   
But at $26-odd a piece ... ouch !! 

*  Can we be of any help with this in seeking out further info for you ??

    ~   Lu

Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Suzy W on Friday 17 February 17 20:03 GMT (UK)
I was hoping for grand parents details, sadly not the case, if only parents details (I have all that)

On another note. Would a death print-out give mothers maiden name in 1892? 
My Scottish side is driving me nuts, thought naming pattern would give clues, sadly not. 
The birth record for the lady concerned has a unusual middle name, thought it may of been her grandmothers name.  But it may look like a death print out for her father instead.
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 17 February 17 20:09 GMT (UK)
Here we are SuzyW..........

After 1875 - Registration of Births and Deaths Act 1875 (dated 12 October 1875)
Local number

Deceased

When and where died
Name and surname
Rank or profession or occupation
Sex and Age
Detail of Death

Cause of death
Duration of last illness
Medical attendant who certified the cause of death and when they last saw the deceased
Parents

Name and Surname of father
Name and if known maiden surname of mother
Rank or profession or occupation of father
Burial Details

When and where buried
Name and Religion of Minister or name of witness of burial
Birth Details

Where born
How long in New Zealand
Marriage Details

Where married
At what age married
Children
If living issue, the number, age and sex
To whom married
Informant

Signature, description and residence of informant
If the entry is a correction of a former entry signature of witnesses
Who witnessed the correction.
Registrar

Signature of registrar
Date of registration

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Suzy W on Friday 17 February 17 21:11 GMT (UK)
I may order the print out, sounds like much more detail than a death cert. 
The previous family researcher even went to Dundee, Scotland to track records,
Somehow back in the day they may of only ordered a death cert, so he never got the birth parents of my ggg grandfather, yet we have his birth from the family bible.
Money well spent when it come's to a long time brick wall. ;)

Suzy W
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Suzy W on Friday 17 February 17 21:17 GMT (UK)
Done, ordered, so I await 8 working days, and hopefully it will answer some long awaited questions :)
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 17 February 17 21:26 GMT (UK)

I may order the print out, sounds like much more detail than a death cert. 

Suzy W

Hi, yes a "printout" is what we always recommend purchasing for family history purposes.
A "printout" is an image of the register entry so it contains all the information available at time of registration of the event. 

[When a "certificate" is ordered, although the details are taken from the registry entry, they are subject to human error during the transcription process (- not that that happens often).   Also, a certificate doesn't make provision for allthe information that is available from the registry entry, to be included.   An example is that a marriage "certificate" doesn't include the names of witnesses to the event (and this is detail which is so often helpful in finding "family"). ]

   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 17 February 17 21:28 GMT (UK)
Done, ordered, so I await 8 working days, and hopefully it will answer some long awaited questions :)

*  Do you want to put any details of your search here ... that we could help with in the meantime ?

Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Suzy W on Friday 17 February 17 21:36 GMT (UK)
I do have much info on the family when they came to New Zealand etc.  Papers past has been wonderful for that.

It is just finding who were his parents?  Scotland's records do not seem to have his birth in 1830. The only first record that might be a close match is 1841 census, his parents dead by then and he is living with another family.  Then finally concrete evidence with his marriage and the 1851 census before coming to New Zealand.

I have just discovered a DNA match with a man in Dundee who has Lyall in his tree, and we would like to know if they are the same as my line or a little side branch.

A deceased relation did most of the research years ago, but I think he must of ordered the death cert and not the death print out, so cross fingers and toes that something will show.

Suzy W
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Suzy W on Friday 24 February 17 01:52 GMT (UK)
Hi all

Just got the print out.  And still lost.  Names of parents are as first thought.  But darn it, if I can find anything on Scotland people or family search for their marriage.  This brick wall is getting pretty hard and my head is hurting. :-[

Suzy W
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: alamar on Friday 24 February 17 06:35 GMT (UK)
Until recent times Scotland had three forms of perfectly legal irregular and common law marriages. They were based on inter-party agreements, public promises and habitual cohabitation. Might this couple have had such an arrangement?
Title: Re: Birth Print out
Post by: Suzy W on Friday 24 February 17 19:21 GMT (UK)
I was wondering that myself.  We will be going back to 1800-1830.
Strangely I can not see the death of my 4 times grandmother, not under maiden or presumed married name.  Her maiden name spelling has been done in so many different ways, Pittellow, Pettellow, Putello etc
My 4 times great grandfather is buried at Howff, in Dundee, so I am happy with that.  But finding the birth for him, well that is another brick wall.
I am working on the Scottish naming pattern and I do think I may of found some connections with that.  It is going to take sometime to sort.

Suzy W