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I have found quite a few old (10+ years) posts about Francis Bell who lived in North Petherton, Somerset, England. He was allegedly born in Scotland and married Elizabeth Speede in North Petherton in 1692. In the old posts it was suggested he may have been from Hawick, Supplebank or Cleughheads in Scotland. Has anybody found him definitively?
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Hi .......... I must have missed some posts which you mention.
Would you please let me know about you comment;
" In the old posts it was suggested he may have been from Hawick, Supplebank or Cleughheads in Scotland."
as I cant recall any of them.
Joe
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=57223.msg1193040#msg1193040
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714425.msg5581510#msg5581510
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=155969.msg6170475#msg6170475
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Joe - Ruskie has already found the posts I was referring to and it turns out they were from you. Have you made any progress on Francis Bell? I am also interested in your comment in one post that Elizabeth was a minor who was pregnant when she married Francis in 1692. But she was born in February 1668 so she would have been 24 when married. Her eldest child William was born in 1693 but she might have lost a first baby. Do you have a source for the pregnant when wed comment? I am a direct descendant of Francis Bell.
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=57223.msg1193040#msg1193040
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714425.msg5581510#msg5581510
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=155969.msg6170475#msg6170475
Thanks Ruskie ...... my memory is not what it used to be..... also my memory is not what it used to be ::) ::) :D
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I have just gone back to my early records and have the following which were taken from the original;
Francis Bell married 25 Feb 1693 Elizabeth Speed of Taunton Parish a minor and daughter of Edith Speed (widow otp) he was a Scotchman (sic) comment 'Pregnant when wed'.
Searching further I found (via IGI) a marriage of John Speed to Edith Tucker 1665 and baptism of daughter Elizabeth Speed born June 19 1668 both at North Petherton.
This confirms the existence of Edith but does not meet the the (minor) age requirements unless the first daughter Elizabeth died and she had a second and named her Elizabeth too which was common practice and for us ........more searching.
Joe ;) ;)
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=57223.msg1193040#msg1193040
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714425.msg5581510#msg5581510
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=155969.msg6170475#msg6170475
Thanks Ruskie ...... my memory is not what it used to be..... also my memory is not what it used to be ::) ::) :D
;D But I see your sense of humour is still very sharp. :D
This thread caught my eye because I have a Francis Bell in one of my research lines - he is Scottish ..... but I can't remember where he is from (but he is a lot more recent than the 1600s). :)
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Joe - Ruskie has already found the posts I was referring to and it turns out they were from you. Have you made any progress on Francis Bell? I am also interested in your comment in one post that Elizabeth was a minor who was pregnant when she married Francis in 1692. But she was born in February 1668 so she would have been 24 when married. Her eldest child William was born in 1693 but she might have lost a first baby. Do you have a source for the pregnant when wed comment? I am a direct descendant of Francis Bell.
I do trust that this portion of a spreadsheet comes out for you if not can someone tell me how to do it?
1st name last name Date Father Mother Partner Parish/Address Witnesses Comments
Elizabeth Bell c 1684 Mar-22 daugh George North Petherton
Ann Speed c 1693 Mar-20 daugh John Patience North Petherton
William Bell c 1693 Jun-23 son Francis Elizabeth North Petherton
Francis Bell m 1693 Feb-25 Elizabeth Speed Taunton / otp minor = d of Edith Speed widow otp Scotchman (pregnant when wed)
John Speed c 1695 May-08 son John Patience North Petherton
Elizabeth Bell c 1696 Mar-02 daugh Francis Elizabeth North Petherton
Robert Bell c 1698 Sep-13 son Francis Elizabeth North Petherton
Thomas Speed c 1700 Jan-15 son John Patience North Petherton
John Bell b 1700 Aug-15 son Francis North Petherton
Thomas Bell b 1700 Aug-15 son Francis North Petherton
Well it seems to have changed a little ........ perhaps a little more than a little :o :o
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and from another spreadsheet confirmation of the existence of Edith Tucker and her daughter
Elizabeth Speed c 1668 Jun-19 John Edith Tucker North Petherton (IGI)
John Speed m 1665 Jan-08 Edith Tucker North Petherton (IGI)
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I should add my interest in Francis Bell.
It was my late wife's interest really and the information and I found and recorded as much as I could find from whatever source for her right down to her mother who was an Australian and a direct descendant of Francis the Scotchman (sic).
Joe
PS .. wish I could back that far with my own line which fizzles out around 1735. :'( :'(
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Thanks for your help Joboy. I have found the original sources to most of your info except the bit about Elizabeth being a minor and pregnant when wed. Do you know where this came from?
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Sadly I do not .......... I do remember her name was 'Trish' and she supplied me with practically all the Bell information in spreadsheet form by individual pages describing by date,event,alphabetically,by parents and by other names.
As you can imagine it is a quite large amount of information.
Noting your user name 'The Bells' I imagine that your interest would go further than Francis and Elizabeth and if this is so I would be most pleased if you would like to have it I could post it on if I could have your email address which you could do via a PM.
Joe Twitchin in Sydney
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I just found this thread about Francis Bell & Elizabeth Speed who are ancestors of mine. Regarding Elizabeth being a minor and pregnant when wed, the parish register makes no mention of either. I suspect that the pregnant comment is based on the fact that the son William was baptised in June 1693, four months after the marriage. I've no idea where the source of Elizabeth's minority comes from, since she was baptised in Jun 1668 and would be age 24 at marriage, as has been pointed out. I'd be interested in the source of the Scottish records for Francis' birth/baptism as I can't find him in the records on scotlandspeople.
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Just found this thread now.
Francis Bell is my 8 times Great Grandfather. Grateful if anyone, now or in the future, comes up with anything other than the word 'scotsman' on the marriage record - because that's as far as I have got with him!
Thanks
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Still rooting around the records as you do when a bee gets in your wee bonnet ...
What if he was not born in Scotland? There are no matching entries in probable years and indeed the name Francis seems very uncommon.
There are about 13 possible records in England though. What if he was born in England but the family were either travelling at the time or moved back to Scotland when he was very young.
So long ago and such patchy records but it's one possibility I can think of if none of us can find him in Scotland ...
I think they would still count him as a Scotsman for the marriage records if he sounded like a Scotsman - and he himself may not have wanted to admit being born in England!