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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: westernwombat on Tuesday 14 February 17 10:44 GMT (UK)
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My distant relative* Edward Douglas LANDELLS moved to New Zealand after the death of his second wife in Adelaide, South Australia, and married a Maori lady.
I may have her given name (forenames) and Last Names incorrectly divided -
Isabella Te Korowhiti + Last names Te Rangi Tuataka
* 1st cousin 4 times removed
Is this the correct naming?
I have her birth year as 1853, at Matapihi, Tauranga, New Zealand. She died in 1920 at Okauia, Matamata, New Zealand.
Their children were (Last Name, LANDELLS) - born between 1871 and 1894, all in the Bay of Plenty region.
Edward Te Rangi
Margaret Ngahuia
Mary Ann Erena
Adam Haaka
Sarah Jane Tangataware
James Te Whare
Isabella Parerawhiti
Thomas Gavin Te Kohiwi
Ann Te Kaue
William George Tangata
Grace Hinehotua Adelaide
Hannah Kiritapu Te Pae
Joseph Hikawharawhara
However, because Edward LANDELLS' mother Margaret DOUGLAS (1813-1849) and a younger sibling (William George Burns) died at sea not long after the start of the emigration of the large family from England to Adelaide, South Australia, in 1849, later in life several of the LANDELLS children from that time adopted the last name DOUGLAS, in honour of their mother.
I'm not sure whether that last name has applied to any of the above, in official records.
I would be grateful of clarification.
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Hi
The New Zealand Society of Genealogists (NZSG) New Zealand Marriages CD, records the marriage as >
Isabella TE KAROWHITI - Edward DOUGLAS -- Year: 1874
[Note : Surnames in capital letters ]
~ Lu
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.... NZBDM (online) also has "TE KAROWHITI" as surname of Isabella.
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Hi again
There are numerous "trees" for Edward DOUGLAS (LANDELLS) and his wife Isabella, available at ancestry.com.
Might be worth your while making contact with these other researchers who can explain their "findings" or direct you to resources ?
[Incidentally, most of the "trees" showed the name "Te Korowhiti Te Rangi Tuataka" (or variants) for Isabella. ]
~ Lu
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In my confusion with families, I have given incorrect information in my initial post: that this was Edward Douglas LANDELLS third marriage, after the death of his wife in Adelaide.
That is wrong. It was his father Adam LANDELLS (1813-1863) whose first wife was Margaret Douglas (1813-1849) - she died at sea on emigration from London to Adelaide. Adam and Margaret married in Scotland in 1832; Adam subsequently married in Adelaide in 1850; his wife Elizabeth Ann DIBBS died in 1877; and in 1883 Adam visited his son Edward in Tauranga, and died of a heart attack after a short time.
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Hi again
There are numerous "trees" for Edward DOUGLAS (LANDELLS) and his wife Isabella, available at ancestry.com.
Might be worth your while making contact with these other researchers who can explain their "findings" or direct you to resources ?
[Incidentally, most of the "trees" showed the name "Te Korowhiti Te Rangi Tuataka" (or variants) for Isabella. ]
~ Lu
I haven't check Ancestry.com, @Lu, but will do that. Is "Te Korowhiti Te Rangi Tuataka" the last name these Ancestry trees use?
The "trees" I have seen at MyHeritage are many, managed by people in NZ and AU, and all using the forenames and last names that I gave in my initial post. Some of the ones I have seen are extremely confused, but I suspect they all derive from one person's researches and grab information from that. I have been sceptical.
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Hi there!
I know this thread is over 6 months old, but thought I would reply.
Edward and his wife Isabella are my Great Grand Parents. Their son Wiremu (William) is my mother's father.
You have his wife's name right, Te Korowhiti Tuataka. The naming convention with many early Maori families was to take the name of your father as your surname, as surnames were unknown to Maori before European settlement of New Zealand.
Isabella's father was Te Rangi Tuataka (although 3 separate words, its equivalnet to one first name). So she took a part of his name as her surname.
Edward's and Isabella's descendants are large in number, with our family base being located at Tangata Marae, near the small township of Matamata.
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Hello Chris
Thank you for explaining the conventions, especially the 3 separate parts of a firstname. That makes it much more clear for me.
My maternal grandmother was a Landells, the direct connection going back to William Burns, the brother of Adam b. 14 Jan 1813.
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Kia Ora Koutou,
I too am a descendant of Edward and Te Korowhiti, they are my great great great grandparents, although some of you are correct my research shows that Edwards wife's full name was Te Korowhiti Tuataka, she did not have the Isobella in her name legally, that was a name given to her by Edward because he could not pronounce her Māori name correctly, I would like to ask if anyone has any info on Edward joining the Royal Navy though as I cannot seem to find his name on any of the records, or on any info on him being in the 3rd Waikato regiment either, if anyone can shed some light or point me in the right direction I would very much appreciate it.
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Kia Ora, NiaC2381, and welcome to RootsChat
He appears in this database as 'LANDELLS, Edward Douglas':
NZ Militia, Volunteers and Armed Constabulary of New Zealand 1863-1871
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll
He was a member of the Loyal Duke of Cambridge Lodge:
https://cambridgemuseum.org.nz/loyal-duke-cambridge/?highlight=landells
Papers Past is an excellent resource for finding people.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
Can I suggest that you reply twice more to this topic (just a smiley icon is each reply will be ok), as this will activate your Personal Message facility allowing you to send private messages to other members.
I hope Westernwombat responds to you soon.
Spades
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And there is this biographical entry:
http://tauranga.kete.net.nz/tauranga_local_history/topics/show/2667-edward-douglas-born-landells-1838-1916
Spades
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Correction for a link given by spades -
New Zealand Militia, Volunteers and Armed Constabulary 1863 to 1871
https://kintalkfamilyhistory.blogspot.com/2012/11/new-zealand-militia-volunteers-and.html
I haven't yet located Edward Douglas LANDELLS, but the site looks very useful.
[EDIT]
The article linked to above, mentioned the new merged database.
That database is at another location - the following is a search page, for the individuals that you may be looking for -
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/armedconstab/armedconstabulary.html
I entered just his surname, Landells, and first name, Edward.
The result shows his information (and also, what seems to be his alternate surname, DOUGLAS)
There isn't a direct link to that result page (it fails, being the one that spades gave).
Hope this helps
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Edward Douglas LANDELLS served in the NZ Armed Constabulary, Division 4, commencing on 20 March1868 and ending 8 December 1869.
He served at Nukumaru; Karaka; Otautu; Ahikereru
However, there is a second search result at the database (NZ Militia, Volunteers and Armed Constabulary of New Zealand 1863-1871), in 1863, for a person named Edward LANDELLS.
Armed Constabulary/Militia Militia
Name LANDELLS, Edward
Notes desert.
Place of birth Dunfries
Tribe/County/Country Dumfries
Service commenced 2.8.1863
Does the Note: desert. indicate a "deserter"?
I don't know of other NZ residents named Edward Landells at that time.
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Hi Westernwombat,
Yes, it does. Or it might be a different bloke entirely, sorry; the details don't match.
A brief entry here on page 1:
http://lynly.gen.nz/WARDesertersL-Q.pdf
Addendum: Your man received the New Zealand War Medal, and has an entry in Stowers' New Zealand War Medal to Colonials (10th ed.) in the section devoted to Armed Constabulary personnel. p.18.
I can transcribe this for you if you don't have it.
Spades
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Hi spades, I have been taking a look at the database and there may be separate periods of service for Edward Douglas Landells - or some other explanation?
I searched, separately, for just the surname LANDELLS, then for just the surname DOUGLAS. 2 results in the first, 15 in the second search, but matching the E.D. Landells it seems that his service dates as 1868-1869 and 1864-1866.
http://lynly.gen.nz/WARDesertersL-Q.pdf
Have now downloaded that PDF - I have several Edward LANDELLS in my genealogy database, but none from Dumfries nor for the date range that would match the deserter's likely age.
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Addendum: Your man received the New Zealand War Medal, and has an entry in Stowers' New Zealand War Medal to Colonials (10th ed.) in the section devoted to Armed Constabulary personnel. p.18.
I can transcribe this for you if you don't have it.
spades, it would be useful to see the entry that you mentioned.
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Hi,
Here's the entry:
Stowers, R. (2010). New Zealand War Medal to Colonials (10th ed.). page 18.
Armed Constabulary.
LANDELLS, Edward Douglas, Constable, 4th Div (24/3/1868 - 8/12/1869); also 3rd Waikato Militia, Waiuku Rifle Volunteers; Wellington and Matamata; Mauku 1863, Nukumaru (Tauranga-ika) 2/2/1869; Karaka 3/2/1869, Otautu 13/3/1869, Ahikereru (Urewera campaign) 5/1869, Kakapa; Born 6/7/1868 Alnwick, Northumberland, England. Gazette 1896: 3026, 3178; AD32/315, ADI: 95/1265; Medal issued in 1896 at the order of the Governor-General (18/9/1896).
The information is grouped thus:
Name, Rank, Where joined unit and period of service, Rank and period of service with other units, Address at time of medal claim, Actions where known to be present, Date and place of birth, Career prior to enlistment, Other achievements, Date of death and place of burial, Ship on which arrived in New Zealand, Year of Gazette notice, AD 36/3 or Medal Register Number, Archives New Zealand file references.
Constable LANDELLS was clearly a very experienced soldier, being involved in three actions in the space of eleven days.
Spades
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In Reply#14 you wondered about whether Edward LANDELLS might have had separate periods of military service.
The entry above confirms that he served in two Volunteer corps (3rd Waikato Militia and the Waiuku Rifle Volunteers) and also the Armed Constabulary.
Regarding the deserter entry, I think this most likely refers to a different individual.
You should find this very readable thesis very illuminating, as it discusses the motives and social and economic pressures on soldiers who took their discharge in New Zealand and tried to make a success in civvy life. They really struggled.
Scroll down and click on the free PDF icon.
http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/handle/10063/6740
Spades
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Very helpful, thx spades, for the last 2 posts. I will locate the PDF you suggested.
WW
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Pleased it helped. :)