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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: SCOUSEONE on Friday 27 January 17 23:29 GMT (UK)
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Hello all, it's a long time since I used a forum, but I hope there is someone out there who can help, I am trying to find info for my wife's family tree,...so here goes
Ivy Gardner 20-01-1914 - 1997....her father was JAMES GARDNER (1970-1943) he married SARAH SHAW (1870 - 1951).....they married 7-9-1890 at St. Peters church , Liverpool....their wedding certificate states James's father was JOHN GARDNER a Baker.............
now that is as much as I can tell you about JOHN GARDNER.....apart from family gossip says his wife was named MARGARET and she was IRISH..........I have tried and tried to find anything without success.......any help would be great....thanks in advance...best regards...George...
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
The 1901 shows James born Liverpool but there is no corresponding birth registration on freebmd
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There is a James GARDNIER b 1870 registered Sept qtr 1870 at Liverpool, mother's surname McDONALD? (Liverpool 08b/70)
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Who were the witnesses to James and Sarah's marriage? (Thinking of possible siblings?)
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Hello
Witness to marriage are John Gardner and Susannah Osbourne.
Lanc opc has fathers occupation barber ( possible typo)
Grooms address 9 Robsart st
Brides address 85 Abbotts st
Got this in 1871. Lodging at the house of Timothy Lamb b1825 ireland are
John Garner b1846 Liverpool. Occupation Baker.
Margaret Garner b1848 Ireland
John Garner 1866 Liverpool
James Garner 1870 Liverpool.
Couldn't find a James Garner born in Liverpool 1869-71 so could be them.
Lee
Just looked again and says Margaret born England...
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That's a good find hol.
Just looked up Lancs OnLine and found the marriage too. Says James was a bootmaker. You're right, John's occ as "barber" could be a typo.
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There is also this in 1861 Ford St Liverpool RG09/2659 / 75
George Garner 51 Ireland hair dresser
Jane Garner 45 Ireland
John Garner 15 Liverpool app baker
Margaret Garner 10 Ireland
George Garner 8 Ireland
William Mills (lodger) 21 Ireland
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1891 census Landseer Rd Everton
Head Arthur Evans shoemaker b1870 Liverpool
Ada Evans 1866 Liverpool
Frederick Evans 1886 Liverpool
Lodger James Cardrer b1870 Liverpool. Boot salesman.
Sarah Cardner b1870 Liverpool.
Lee
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Looking at the actual marriage certificate I would say that John's occupation is Baker. The capital B is the same as in James's occupation of Boot Maker and the k is the same as the k in Maker.
Sue
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In 1901 census Piece 3493 folio 10 page 12 at Low Wood St West Derby is John GARDNER 58 born Lpool occ BAKER
wife Margaret 57 born Ireland and son Thomas 23.
Thomas marries in 1902 at St Jude's to Annie Sixsmith and the address is Low Wood St and his father is John occupaton Baker.
Sue
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Hello
I like this 1861 census.
John Gardner b1821 Ireland occupation Bread Baker. Head
Letitia Gardner wife b1826 Ireland
JOHN GARDNER b1847 Ireland Bread Baker.
Anna b1849 Liverpool
Mary b1851
Thomas 1854
1 Hughes buildings ,4 Albert Place ,West Derby.
Lee
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1851 census
John Gardner Baker 1817 Ireland
Letitia Gardner b1823 Ireland
John Gardner b1847 Ireland
Anne Jane b1849
Mary b1851
Gregson St West Derby.
Lee
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1874 St Augustines Everton
Robert Short marries Annie Jane Gardiner .
brides father John Gardiner occupation Baker.
Witnesses John Gardiner nd Mary Stoker Gardiner.
Lee
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Mary Stoker Gardiner is the sister of Anne Jane gardner. registered 1851 mmn Cunningham.
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Robsart street 1891
John Gardner 1846 Liverpool labourer shipping.
Margaret 1848 Ireland
Thomas 1875 Liverpool
Lee
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I have now gone off the family i have from Ireland with Letitia born 1823 as mother.
Reason is that there is a Letitia M gardiner living with son John .C . Gardiner 1847 baker.
Being as the children were registered with Cunningham as mothers maiden name i punched in John Cunningham Gardiner and found a marriage in 1874
My only doubt is that Letitia is shown as schoolmistress and the writing doesnt actually look like it says Letitia
I have confused myself....
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Back again.
The census entries with John born 1846 born Liverpool and Margaret born 1848 makes sense.
On the 1871 census when lodging with the Lamb family there is a son John born 1866.
Looking on gro site is John gardner b1866 mothers maiden name Fitzmaurice.
Marriage John Garner and Margaret Fitzmaurice 1864 Liverpool.
On 1861 census
Patrick Fitzmorris 1801 Ireland
Family includes Margaret born 1849 Ireland.
Lee
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Thanks all, I will go and look at all of this info and take it from there...again thanks....will let you know...best regards...George...