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Title: Index or Certificate?
Post by: EmmaPettit on Friday 27 January 17 04:00 GMT (UK)
I'm trying to get a birth certificate for a great grandfather.

I found on familysearch a few entries for him. Charles F Ellis b. 25 Oct 1828 Dover, New Hampshire, 2 without a picture and one with.
Are these just indexes or something else?
How do I go about getting a birth certificate. I'm not from America and it does not seem to be easy to get one.
Can someone lead me in the right direction?

Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 27 January 17 04:28 GMT (UK)
It is neither, this is just information submitted by an individual to the IGI, and should be treated with caution as no source there to back up evidence. The info says

Submitted 12 June 2012 by unknown38379. International Genealogical Index (IGI).
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MSQK-VW2

There would be no birth certs prior to Civil Registration which started 1 July 1837, UK.
The most you can hope is a baptism to give clues to parents.

ADDED Not sure about New Hampshire, America.

If you add details of what you know as confirmed, others from area maybe able to help.

Good luck

Cas
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: Erato on Friday 27 January 17 04:42 GMT (UK)
Hogwash.  It has nothing to do with IGI or submitted records.  The document is a transcription from the original town records made at some later date by the State of New Hampshire.  The question is, how to see the original records of the town of Dover.  And 1837 has absolutely nothing to do with US records.


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jcz/
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: Cas (stallc) on Friday 27 January 17 04:49 GMT (UK)
Hogwash.  It has nothing to do with IGI or submitted records.  The document is a transcription from the original town records made at some later date by the State of New Hampshire.  The question is, how to see the original records of the town of Dover.  And 1837 has absolutely nothing to do with US records.


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jcz/

Apologies. Was just trying to help, no need to be rude. I stand corrected, should stay out, as not my area.

Cas
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: EmmaPettit on Friday 27 January 17 04:50 GMT (UK)
From his marriage certificate: His mothers name is given as Ruth Hussey and fathers name was James Ellis, he was born in New Hampshire,  and in 1856 he gave his age as being 26 years old.

His death certificate states the same parents but his birth year is given as 1828 and being deceased at 67 years old in 1895.
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: Erato on Friday 27 January 17 04:55 GMT (UK)

You could try the Dover Public Library to see if they hold those records or, if not, who does.
http://www.dover.nh.gov/government/city-operations/library/

No telling what you might find in this volume:
https://archive.org/details/collectionsofdov01dove
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: Erato on Friday 27 January 17 05:07 GMT (UK)
Another possibility ...

Strafford County Historical Society
http://strafhist.weebly.com/
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: EmmaPettit on Friday 27 January 17 05:15 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the links. I will be sure to check them out and make contact to see if they can lead me in a right direction.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: Erato on Friday 27 January 17 05:23 GMT (UK)
I doubt that there would be an actual birth certificate in 1828.  More likely, his birth was recorded in the town records and that later transcribed document probably contains all the recorded information.
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 27 January 17 09:37 GMT (UK)
A few pieces worth reading............

Records of births occurring in each New Hampshire town or city have been kept by town clerks since the early 1600s. Statewide registration began in 1866. Total compliance with the law was not accomplished until the 1880s, and even then the practice was not uniform. By this point, less than half of the population was listed in the birth records. Total compliance began in 1905 with the establishment of the Bureau of Vital Records.

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/How_to_Find_New_Hampshire_Birth_Records

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/How_to_Find_New_Hampshire_Birth_Records#Births_before_190

https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/New_Hampshire_Church_Records

Sandra
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: EmmaPettit on Friday 27 January 17 11:10 GMT (UK)
That is some great information and very handy links.

Thanks so much for that *Sandra*. I greatly appreciate the help.
Title: Re: Index or Certificate?
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 27 January 17 12:45 GMT (UK)
I'm trying to get a birth certificate for a great grandfather.
I found on familysearch a few entries for him. Charles F Ellis b. 25 Oct 1828 Dover, New Hampshire, 2 without a picture and one with.
Are these just indexes or something else?
How do I go about getting a birth certificate. I'm not from America and it does not seem to be easy to get one.
Can someone lead me in the right direction?
Thank you for taking the time to read this.

I've never seen submitted LDS trees that include 'pictures' so I suspect that what you found are these records-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDJ8-YM9
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLLP-S52

The 2nd one shows a camera symbol on the right side of the entry and when you click on the link it takes you to this page- which seems to be an extracted record from original town record of the birth- https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-63BS-M95
The original record iteself may not exist but if it does there's unlikely to be more detail than included here.