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Hi All
Some time ago I placed a request looking for Sarah Griffith from Carrowcannon House. It now appears to me that Sarah was never at Carrowcannon House, yet to be verified but I am fairly certain of this at the present time. In order to move on from there I have followed the line of William Griffith JP who purchased Carrowcannon House in 1889 and was I believe an inmate of Derry Gaol for some little time as he was connected to the Plan Campaign and a suspect under the Balfour Regime. Obituary "Derry Journal" February 1 1911.
William died on January 30 1911 and his funeral account says "Derry Journal" February 10 1911 that his sons William, James and Joseph and daughters Mrs Jordan, Annie and Rose with nephew P Quinn, were chief mourners.
I have endeavoured to trace all of these people after this account, but to no avail. I think they may have migrated but have been unable to find any record of them. Nor can I find them in the 1911 census. Nor any deaths.
I have the birth records for all of William's children. I have searched the Derry Journal and other Donegal papers to no avail for any mention of any of the children.
If I was able to locate William's sibling who married the Quinn this would also be of some help as it may answer some questions I have.
I suspect Sarah was William's sibling, but at present I have not been able to either prove or disprove this theory as I lack Sarah or William's birth record. I now now the he came from the Rosses.
This morning I again looked at Sarah's marriage certificate and she does not make any mention of her parents. quite curious really. Her husband John McGuinness has listed both of his parents.
I think my best course of investigation is to try to follow William through. Even if he proves not to be Sarah's sibling he is certainly a remarkable character.
Any suggestions you may have of how I might progress would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Wren.
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I suspect Sarah was William's sibling, but at present I have not been able to either prove or disprove this theory as I lack Sarah or William's birth record. I now now the he came from the Rosses.
This morning I again looked at Sarah's marriage certificate and she does not make any mention of her parents. quite curious really. Her husband John McGuinness has listed both of his parents.
I think my best course of investigation is to try to follow William through. Even if he proves not to be Sarah's sibling he is certainly a remarkable character.
Any suggestions you may have of how I might progress would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Wren.
Often when someone has no parents names on their marriage certificate it's because they don't know. So Sarah might be a foundling or adopted. Often they acquired the surname of the family that brought them up.
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Any clues in William Griffith's Will?
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014917/005014917_00129.pdf
William & family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Cross_Roads/Carrowcannon/1171499
The ages in the 1901 census don't look quite accurate (and many of the children not in the household) so could you post their names & birthdates in order to make it easier for us to search for them.
Added- link to earlier thread on Sarah-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=65297.0
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Hi Elwyn
Thank you for replying and that is a good suggestion and it may be an option. I have her death cert and her son was the informant as her husband was at that stage deceased. He states that her father was William Griffith and her mother was Mary Cannon. None of which I have been able to verify.
What I am endeavouring to do at the moment is to find William's birth cert. As William was Irish and lived in north west Donegal I also wonder how he came to be so affluent. His obituary dated February 1 1911. Says that he was held in high regard by both the affluent and the poor alike. quite amazing really given the state of the country at that time.
I am currently trying to contact Diane Lovegrove Bader who has just written a book entitled "Setting Donegal on Fire." This book is about her great grandfather Daniel Sweeney who lived in and owned Carrowcanon House for some years during the 1800s. This is in order to see whether she has any information on William.
Now you have given me another avenue to explore. I hadn't thought of that. Thank you for widening my sphere of research.
Regards
Wren
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Hi aghadowey
Thank you for replying.
I have had a look at the Probate. It is as follows Griffith William [191] 29 March Probate of the will of William Griffith late of Falcarragh County Donegal esquire who did 30 January 1911 granted at Dublin to The Reverend John Boyle P P Effects £580 12s4d.
I wonder why William didn't have one of his children as executor.
William's children
Termon Births to William Griffith and Rose Campbell
17.1.1866 Mary Griffith d 25th Jan 1866 8 days old
26.5.1867 William Patrick Griffith
22.9.1869 Anne Griffith Dungloe
26.3.1872 Mary Griffith Dungloe
23.4.1874 Hugh Griffith Glenties
5.1.1877 Male Griffith perhaps (James)
23.6.1879 Rose Griffith. Farmore
1901 census
Carrowcannon Cross Roads Donegal
James Joseph Griffith son age 16 roman catholic
William Griffith 60 Head
William Patrick 30 son
Rose 19 daughter
Sara Teresa 17 daughter
Rose 50 wife
John 14 son
Joseph Francis 8 son.
Yes you're right there are offspring missing from this list. Given their births they may have had dwellings of their own. These I have been unable to locate. Nor have I found anything in the 1911 census.
I have spent some time searching immigration lists with no success.
I will post William's Obituary and Funeral account following this.
Kind Regards
Wren
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Hi Elwyn and aghadowey
I'm posting the obituary and funeral account for William. These alone have inspired me to find out as much as I can about the gentleman.
DEATH OF MR WM GRIFFITH JP FALCARRAGH
We record with great regret in our obituary columns today the rather sudden demise of Mr William Griffith J P of Falcarragh and formerly of Carrowcannon House at the ripe age of 72 years. The deceased was a gentleman who was widely and favourably known and much esteemed over the entire district of north west Donegal. In all his relations of life he bore himself honourably. On the Bench by his breadth of view and his strict impartiality, he won the esteem and admiration of his colleagues and in him the poor, with whom he sympathised so much, had always a wise counsellor and sympathetic friend. As a politician he held the views of an ardent Nationalist, and while fearless in the expression of his own mature convictions, he at the same time exercised a laudable spirit of forebearance towards the views of those opposed to him. In this connection he was a suspect under the Balfour coercion reg, and had the distinction of spending a considerable time in Derry Jail as a result of the Star Chamber inquisition. On the passing of the Local Government Act he was elected chairman of the Dunfanaghy District Council, and in that position his ability in the conduct of the general administrations of he Board, as well as his minute and comprehensive grasp of finance, enabled him to discharge his duties with marked efficiency. He always took a deep and practical interest in the welfare of the people and the district in which he resided, and no later than last week he attended a meeting of the Parish Improvement Committee, recently revived in the district, where his valuable suggestions regarding the working of the scheme were always highly respected. By his kindly disposition and genial charitable nature, he endeared himself to all and Clonghaneely will long mourn the passing away of one of its most respected inhabitants. His illness lasted for five days, during which he availed himself of the ministrations of the Church of which he was always an exemplary member.
I hope this helps a little.
Thanks again
Regards
Wren
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This is the Funeral notice for William
The Derry Journal Friday February 10 1911
FUNERAL OF THE LATE MR WM GRIFFITH JP OF FALCARRAGH
On Wednesday last in the graveyard of Gortahork, was laid to rest the mortal remains of the late Wm Griffith, lately of Carrowcannon House, Falcarragh. The deceased gentleman was, in the extended use of the word, a man of the people and during the whole course of his twenty-five years residence in the parish he fully earned the title. Coming from the Rosses some years before the land war in Cloughaneely and Gweedore. Mr Griffith took his place in the forefront of the fighting and was sent to Derry Jail in the Balfour regime for his connection with the Plan of Campaign, then inaugurated on the Ophert estate. The late Father Stephens P P of Ardara was then in jail at the same time, being then C C in the Clonaghaneely parish. When the wholesale evictions of the Olphert, Stewart and Sweeney estates left hundreds of poor people homeless. Mr Griffith stepped into the breach and offered them houses and building ground on his freehold farm, which offer was gladly availed of. In later years he took an active part in the local affairs of the district, being for fifteen years a poor law guardian and on the passing of the Local Government Act he was unanimously selected as the first chairman of the new District Council at Dunfanaghy from which position he retired after three years. Mr Griffith was an upright and honourable member of the Petty Sessions at Falacarragh and his opinion often carried him so far that he left the Bench occasionally when he could not see eye to eye with his brother justices. The funeral cortege was large and representative of all creeds and classes, and his remains were carried shoulder high the whole distance of two miles from Falcarragh to Gortahork, which testified the esteem in which the deceased was held in the heart of the country people. The followoing were among those present or represented at the funeral- The Most Rev Dr O’Donnell, Bishop of Raphoe; Cannon McFadden, Glenties; Rev John Boyle P P Falcarragh; Rev James Scanlon, P P Dungloe, Rev J Sheridan C C Mountcharles; Rev M Ward C C Gortahork; Rev A Ward C C Falcarragh; Rev John Murray C C Gortahork; Rev P Sheridan C C Tory Island; Messrs C Quinn J P Stewartstown; C H Ward J P Barnesmore; Wm Kelly solicitor Ramelton; J E Boyle Dungloe; John Irvine J P Dunganaghy; DP McBeigh, J P DO;Wm Keown Bunbeg; Thomas McBride, Middletown; Hugh Dixon D C Meenlaragh; John D Kelso, Dunfanaghy; John Ramsay J P do; Charles Mahon, Wm Henderson and Thomas Patterson, of Murroe; Thos Cannon CoC Glena House; Charles McFadden D C Falcarragh ; Patrick McGinley, J P do; Dr McDonald J P do; John McBride do; John McClean do; John Sweeney do; Hugh Boyle do; Michael Colgan, J P do; Henry Walker do; John Wilkinson C P S , Robert Wilkinson Ardnadrean; Michael McFadden J P Gortahork; James Coll do; John McDonnell do; James Gallagher D C Baltoney; James Gallagher, Ballina; Daniel Cannon D C Carrowcannon; Dan McGowan D C Oldtown; Thomas McClintock Carrowcannon; Thomas Benson do P McElwaine NT Falcaragh P Carr N T Gortahork P Breslin N T Baltoney; A Doherty N T Falcarragh, J Brady N T Killnit; John T Sweeney Falcarragh’; Thomas Browne do; Jas, Browne do; James O’Donnell do; Thomas Cullatin do; Wm Mitchell do; John Boyle do; Frank Sweeney solicitor do; James Boyle do; Wm Griffin, do; Dan Gallagher do; Edward Gallagher do; John Breslin do; Pat McLaughlin do; Jack O’Donnell do; Wm Seweeney do; Neil J Ferry Derrybeg.
The following members of the family acted as chief mourners William, James and Joseph sons, Mrs Jordan, Annie and Rose daughters P Quinn nephew.
The funeral service was conduced by the Rec J Boyle P P assisted by the Rev A Ward, C C and at the close Father Boyle delivered an eloquent panegyric on the deceased in which he referred to the edifying life of the deceased and exhorted them to remember the late Mr Griffith in their prayers.
William married Rose Campbell at Stewartstown on May 10 1865 William was 25 and Rose was 16.
Roses' father was Pat Campbell.
I hope this helps a little
Regards
Wren
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... William died on January 30 1911 and his funeral account says "Derry Journal" February 10 1911 that his sons William, James and Joseph and daughters Mrs Jordan, Annie and Rose with nephew P Quinn, were chief mourners ...
Just a possibility to consider... Patrick Quinn was born on 17 March 1888 in Stewartstown, the son of Christopher Quinn and Annie Campbell:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02520/1933805.pdf
Christopher Quinn married 25 year old Annie Campbell in Stewartstown RC Church on 17 June 1883, she was from Stewartstown, the daughter of Patrick Campbell a saddler:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10939/5997668.pdf
When 16 year old Rose Campbell married William Griffith in Stewartstown RC Church on 10 May 1865, she was from Stewartstown, the daughter of Patrick Campbell a labourer.
Patrick Quinn and father (a JP) in 1911:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Stewartstown/North_Street/862187/
Patrick married an Ellen Corr in Stewartstown RC Church the following year.
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Hi Gaffy
Thanks, these sound like possibilities that may lead somewhere.
Wren
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I already posted link to family in 1901.
Since you don't seem to have names and birthdates of all the children as you said, here's a more complete list-
Mary (1866) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03542/2303704.pdf
William Patrick (1867) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03485/2281062.pdf
Anne (1869) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03373/2236481.pdf
Mary (1872) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03248/2190287.pdf
Hugh (1874) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03149/2154903.pdf
son (1877) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03023/2107753.pdf
Rose (1879) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02907/2065073.pdf
Sarah Teresa (1881) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02828/2037133.pdf
James Joseph (1884) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02691/1991065.pdf
John (1885 Carrowcannon)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02636/1972053.pdf
Joseph Francis (1892 Carrowcannon)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1892/02326/1870701.pdf
Marriage of Minnie (Mary) Griffith of Carrowcannon to John Jordan of Falcarragh-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10405/5788960.pdf
William's wife Rose died May 1901 at Carrowcannon but his residence listed as Falcarragh-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05728/4616273.pdf
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You maybe have this, but for others reading, the marriage of Mary Griffiths to John Jordan in 1898:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10405/5788960.pdf
Edited to add: Just posted before me.
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Thank you so much. This will give me a great deal to be going on with and follow through.
These finer details often elude me.
Warm Regards
Wren
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This has probably been mentioned before but just in case you haven't seen it-
1862- Married on the 25th of November, at St. Mary's Cathedral [Sydney], by the Rev. F. Dwyer, John McGuinness, storekeeper, of Wollongong, fourth son of Stephen McGuinness, native of King's Country, Ireland, to MISS SARAH GRIFFITHS, third daughter of MR. WILLIAM GRIFFITHS, native of Donegal, Ireland (Sydney Morning Herald)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/nswbmd4389.htm
So, Sarah must have known the names of her parents and the fact that they are not recorded in Australia is likely just an omission.
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I have had a look at the Probate. It is as follows Griffith William [191] 29 March Probate of the will of William Griffith late of Falcarragh County Donegal esquire who did 30 January 1911 granted at Dublin to The Reverend John Boyle P P Effects £580 12s4d.
I wonder why William didn't have one of his children as executor.
National Archives in Dublin should have the 1911 will itself which may give you a bit more information than the probate abstract. There is likely to be a fee for getting a copy from them.
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/wills-testamentary-records/
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Hi aghadowey
Yes, I have bother her marriage and death certs. For Edward(her son) to have listed her parents on her death cert leads me to believe that she did know her parents names. The thing that leads me to thin that she had a connection to William is the mention of Carrowcannon House in her obituary. so it must have been talked about in her family.
But everything I have read in the last couple of years has lead me to believe that she didn't actually ever live there. She was well and truly in Australia and married to John McGuinness by the time William purchased Carrowcannon House.
For me this begs the question as Elwyn raised earlier. Was she not really a Griffith at all?
Given that I have searched for a birth record for her and I have been unable to locate one.
Her shipping register says she is 20 and a nursemaid that she was born in Londonderry, that she arrived on the Caribou in 1859 as part of the Donegal Relief Fund and that her parents were William and Mary. She was also able to read.
I like to dot my i's and cross my t's and as far as I am able to determine the Carrowcannon House reference doesn't add up. These suspicions are what lead me down this path originally.
Wren
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Hi Elwyn
I was thinking that i would have to go down the path of acquiring the will.
I have just been looking at the ellis Island records and there is a Rose Griffith who arrived in the States in 1911 from Donegal and she appears to be about the right age. I will now explore this avenue somewhat further.
Thanks Wren
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It may be that Sarah's connection to Carrowcannon House was assumed by her family in Australia.
If, for example, she corresponded with William Griffith of Carrowcannon House they could have assumed (or she lead them to believe) that's where she had lived in Ireland (especially if she said William was her brother, cousin, etc.).
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You could be right. Unfortunately there is nothing remaining, no letters etc as the family was living in very subsistence conditions and as far as I am able to determine they lived in nothing more than an old timber shack out in the bush and were extremely poor. My dad did show me where the farm was, but there is no dwelling there now. So maybe there was some assumption there.
Whatever the case she was a food hearted woman as she helped raise her grandchildren following her daughters death.
Thank you for all of your help and suggestions. I am following all of them up.
Regards
Wren
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Hi All
I have once again hit a brick wall and am looking for any ideas. I have found a census record for William Griffith and Mary Cannon. The census record states that they were residing at 142 Woodstock Road Belfast with Mrs Mary Cunningham. Children were James, Isabella, Anne, Sarah, Mary 10, William, John and Samuel. I have not been able to discover anything else about the family. Other than my previous connection between the younger William and Sarah with the mention of Carrow Cannon House. Any suggestions would be gratefully appreciated.
Wren
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Can you please post a link to the census record that you found. I have searched both 1901 and 1911 and not found a Mary Cunningham or a Griffith family on Woodstock Road in either.
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Likewise aghadowey- can't find any of them on the Woodstock Road.
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Here's the household at 142 Woodstock Road, Belfast in 1911 census- RICE-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002176298/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/Woodstock_Road/218564/
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I have searched both Belfast and Raphoe for James, Isabella and Samuel still nothing that i can definitely say is them. Searched Mary Cunningham also trying to find a link no success.
Wren
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I have found a census record for William Griffith and Mary Cannon. The census record states that they were residing at 142 Woodstock Road Belfast with Mrs Mary Cunningham. Children were James, Isabella, Anne, Sarah, Mary 10, William, John and Samuel.
You haven't told us where that census record is, or even which census :-\
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Is this the same William?
William died on January 30 1911 and his funeral account says "Derry Journal" February 10 1911 that his sons William, James and Joseph and daughters Mrs Jordan, Annie and Rose with nephew P Quinn, were chief mourners.
If so, then did you find him in 1901 census living in Belfast?
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Is this the same William?
William died on January 30 1911 and his funeral account says "Derry Journal" February 10 1911 that his sons William, James and Joseph and daughters Mrs Jordan, Annie and Rose with nephew P Quinn, were chief mourners.
If so, then did you find him in 1901 census living in Belfast?
This looks to be William Griffith in the 1901 census in Co Donegal.
Residents of a house 7 in Carrowcannon (Cross Roads, Donegal).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Cross_Roads/Carrowcannon/1171499/
https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/kilmacrenan/raymunterdoney/cross-roads/carrowcanon/
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I wondered that also but possibly this mysterious William Griffith (wife Mary Cannon? although I don't see marriage for them) is the son of that William (wife called Rose- more details on 1st page of this thread).
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I wondered that also but possibly this mysterious William Griffith (wife Mary Cannon? although I don't see marriage for them) is the son of that William (wife called Rose- more details on 1st page of this thread).
Agreed, aghadowey - you already have quoted 1901 census in reply #2 :)
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This is the younger William who I think is the brother to Sarah and the son of William and Mary Cannon. I do not have conclusive evidence that this William is Sarah's brother but it is very likely. He owned Carrow Cannon House for some few years and was a JP. And as her obit mentions Carrow Cannon this is my connection. Somewhat tenuous really. At this point I'm happy to have this proved or disproved.
My information for William owning Carrow Cannon House was the book "Setting Donegal on Fire". I've looked up family tees and immigration records and death records all to no avail for William and Mary senior.
wren
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Wren you are not answering the question I've asked twice- what census record have you found?
Both Kiltaglassan and I are quite experienced in Irish research and cannot find the census record. You've also given no indication of William's age which is making it extremely difficult to help you.
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Not sure if the following has been posted before, but in case not...
Just a possible surname variant from All Saints RC parish Co. Donegal, Saml baptised on 26 June 1844 to a couple called Wm Griffen and Mary Cannon, the sponsors were Saml and Isabella Cannon:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631911#page/10/mode/1up
Possible deaths for William Griffith senior and Mary Cannon:
- a married farmer called William Griffith died on 1 June 1881 at Tarmon, the informant present at death was William Griffith of Tarmon and the reported age places birth year around 1807 - note from a timeframe context that Sarah Teresa Griffith was born 17 days later at Tarmon to parents William Griffith junior and Rose Campbell:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06440/4850282.pdf
- a Mary Griffith, widow of the late William Griffith a farmer, died on 2 March 1888 at Carrowcannon, the informant present at death was William Griffith (son) of Carrowcannon, the reported age places birth year around 1808:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06187/4768929.pdf
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- a married farmer called William Griffith died on 1 June 1881 at Tarmon, the informant present at death was William Griffith of Tarmon and the reported age places birth year around 1807 - note from a timeframe context that Sarah Teresa Griffith was born 17 days later at Tarmon to parents William Griffith junior and Rose Campbell:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06440/4850282.pdf
Derry Journal, 10 June 1881: GRIFFITH - June 1, at his residence, Termon House, Dungloe, William Griffith, aged 74 years. - R.I.P.
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- a Mary Griffith, widow of the late William Griffith a farmer, died on 2 March 1888 at Carrowcannon, the informant present at death was William Griffith (son) of Carrowcannon, the reported age places birth year around 1808:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06187/4768929.pdf
Enniskillen Chronicle and Erne Packet, 8 March 1888: March 2, at the residence of her son, William Griffith, Carrowcannon House, Falcarragh, Mary, relict of the late William Griffith, aged 80 years.
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My sincere apologies aghadowey for not posting the link to the census. It was 1851. I thought because it had been posted that you had seen it. I tried to post the link but with absolutely no success. Thanks Wren.
Wow Gaffy I think you have cracked it. You are all amazing. Thank you.
Wren
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An aside from the main search but maybe jumping to conclusions. I see theres a John Cannon who died at the age of 72 from Phthisis at Carrowcannon. His daughter was Sarah Boyle, present at the death. When William Griffith junior died in 1911 his executor was the Parish priest John Boyle. I will need to explore this a little further. Thank you once again for all of your help. Much appreciated.
Wren
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My sincere apologies aghadowey for not posting the link to the census. It was 1851. I thought because it had been posted that you had seen it. I tried to post the link but with absolutely no success. Thanks Wren.
Can't see it posted on this thread but here is the link-
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=51407
However, it looks as though you are reading it incorrectly.
The applicant (Mary Griffith aged about 10 at time of census?) was Mrs. Mary Cunningham of 142 Woodstock Road, Belfast.
Several places look to have been searched without finding the family. Pay special attention to notation lower right corner.
When the application was made (in 1920) Mary listed names of parents & siblings in order to find the census record.
Therefore Mary seems to have been living at Woodstock Road in 1920 on the 15 September when she attempted to apply for the pension.
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Wow, yes I was most definitely reading it incorrectly. I was wondering whether she was Mrs Cunningham. I really wasn't sure what the dates meant. Thank you. This helps immensely.
There are several of us trying to crack this mystery. Having no success until now. Thank you.
Wren
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1912 Belfast directory- Mrs. Agnes Rice at 142 Woodstock Road (as 1911 census)
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1912.htm
1918 Belfast directory- Mary Cunningham at 142 Woodstock Road
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1918.htm
1924 a Mrs. M. McIlwaine at same address
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1924.htm
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Belfast Weekly Telegraph, 15 May 1915: ... Elisabeth Cunningham (Lillie), third daughter of the late Michael Cunningham. ex-Sergeant ..., and Mrs. Cunningham, 142 Woodstock Road.
Michael Cunningham of 198 My Lady's Road died 1912-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05360/4494237.pdf
Wife Mary born Derry City according to 1901 census (9 children in household)-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Ravenhill_Street/1212688/
Daughter Florence born Lisbellaw, Fermanagh in 1888 (birth confirms mother as Mary Griffith)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02506/1928938.pdf
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Michael's burial place listed here-
Belfast Telegraph, 14 Sept.1912: The death has taken place at his residence, My Lady’s Road, of ex-Sergeant Michael Cunningham. The funeral to Milltown Cemetery was largely attended.
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Here's the Cunningham family in 1911- mis-transcibed as 'Cunnigham'
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ormeau/My_Lady_s_Road/215642/
Married 40 years (c1871) with 12 children (7 living)
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Thank you. This gives me a good base for further research. It truly extends my knowledge of Sarah and her family. Although the big mystery remains as to why Sarah came out to Australia as an orphan as part of the Donegal relief fund. One extended family member once suggested perhaps she had done something to disgrace the family. But that was pure speculation. I have not found anything to support this theory. As far as I know although living a subsistent existence in the poorer farming community in the southern highlands of NSW. She appears to have been a respected member of the community Raising her grand children after the death of her daughter. Once again many thanks.
Wren
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Michael Cunningham's daughter Lucy married John McCusker in 1903.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10233/5724376.pdf
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Daughter Florence Cunningham died 1908-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05507/4543360.pdf
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Michael Cunningham's daughter Lucy married John McCusker in 1903.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1903/10233/5724376.pdf
John Griffith McCusker (b1909) one of five children born up to 1913.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01616/1647988.pdf
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qnr/
Added: 1911 census
Residents of a house 26 in Crocus Street (Falls, Antrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls/Crocus_Street/175494/
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There was another Michael Cunningham in the police having children around the same time. Some details I found-
Michael Cunningham (d.1874 Capragh), constable, Lifford, m.(1867) Rose Logue
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1867/11496/8226803.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1874/020642/7242123.pdf
Mary 19 Sept.1870 Gub
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03335/2222344.pdf (parents- Michael Cunningham policeman & Rose Logue)
Elizabeth 13 Mar.1872 Gub
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03248/2190260.pdf
Rosanne 16 Oct.1873 Capragh, Cavan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03171/2163099.pdf (policeman)
This is not the correct Michael Cunningham.
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1911 census said Mary Cunningham was the mother of 12 children (7 living). This looks like the 12-
James
Mary 26 Aug.1871
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03285/2203894.pdf
Michael 17 Apr.1873 Lisbellaw
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03149/2154881.pdf (police constable)
William Patrick 22 Dec.1877 Lisbellaw
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03069/2125033.pdf (policeman)
Lucy Ellen 19 Sept.1877 Lisbellaw
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02988/2094690.pdf (policeman)
Alfred Joseph 16 July 1879 Lisbellaw-2 July 1879 Lisbellaw
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02907/2065053.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06507/4873691.pdf (sub-Constable)
Elizabeth Rose 20 July 1880 Lisbellaw
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02862/2048558.pdf (police constable)
Sarah 22 June 1882 Lisbellaw
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02771/2017704.pdf (police constable)
John 11 Sept.1884 Lisbellaw
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02680/1987202.pdf (police constable)
Gertrude 27 July 1886 Lisbellaw
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02592/1957526.pdf(father- policeman)
Florence 19 Aug.1888 Lisbellaw-1908
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02506/1928938.pdf
Frederick Augustine 16 Feb.1890 Lisbellaw
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02442/1908366.pdf (police pensioner)
Father's occupation in brackets.
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Thank you. This gives me a good base for further research. It truly extends my knowledge of Sarah and her family. Although the big mystery remains as to why Sarah came out to Australia as an orphan as part of the Donegal relief fund. One extended family member once suggested perhaps she had done something to disgrace the family. But that was pure speculation. I have not found anything to support this theory. As far as I know although living a subsistent existence in the poorer farming community in the southern highlands of NSW. She appears to have been a respected member of the community Raising her grand children after the death of her daughter. Once again many thanks.
Wren
Are you sure that she had to have been an orphan to come to Australia as part of this fund?
here is a link to Information about the fund and how it worked from Lindel's Donegal genealogy and researched by Lindel, and Bill Spillane.
http://donegalgenealogy.com/relief.htm
Could you advise the place in NSW where she settled?
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Hi Shanreagh
Yes, Sarah lived in a place called Mount Murray which was situated at the top of Macquarie Pass near Wollongong in New South Wales. She married John McGuinness. They had eight children. John died in 1908 and Sarah in 1922. They are both buried St Peter's Catholic Cemetery in Burrawang. John was the brother of two other Irish Orphan girls Eliza and Ellen. Both of whom married and lived in Wollongong. Eliza married a Kirton and Ellen a Gleeson. Also neither of these girls were actually orphans.Their mother Margaret was still alive and she also later came out with John.
Regards
Wren
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Just a word to say a huge thank you to each of you who helped me with the Griffiths. I have spent most of today getting my head around it all.
Regards
Wren