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Hi, I'm trying to find info regarding a William Brown b.1879-1881. His father was a Thomas Brown (occupation - Journeyman Plasterer) at the time of his marriage to Mary Linton in 1908 at the Register Office, district of West Derby, county of Liverpool. William (occupation - butcher) and his wife Mary were lodging at 1 Steble St, Toxteth Park with their sons William age 3 and Charles Henry age 1 in 1911 (census confirms this). My problem is trying to find the family later on, 1939 register shows nothing. So I am assuming the parents may have passed. William age 3 is my line of enquiry whom I have got to present day but his parents and brother, I have come to a dead end. I was wondering if anyone could advise as where to go from here and also if someone could be ever so kind to look up a brith entry for the above William
many thanks
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Who were the witnesses to the marriage. Where was William born
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Hi,
Have you seen William's Service record?
There are three more children -
Harold Brown b. 19 May 1912
John Brown b. 22 May 1914
Samuel Brown b. 26 Sep 1916
Address - 70 Pecksniff Street, Liverpool.
JJ
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Hi witnesses to marriage were W Duffy and Esther Rycroft. William was living at 20 Overbury (I think that is what it says on marriage certificate ) Street, West Derby. I am assuming that William was born in west Derby division of Liverpool as I have a 1901 census record showing him living with a Thomas Brown, plasterer and family RG13/3493 (page 6) but before I go any further on this family, I need to confirm I have the correct person.
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Can I ask which service records please?
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Can I ask which service records please?
WW1 Service records.
William Brown b. 1879
No.206739
RFA
Rank - Driver
JJ
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Also 1911 census confirms William wrote down Liverpool as his place of birth
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Attached to the Service records is a death cert for Harold Brown (age 5) died 12 Oct 1917 in Royal southern Hospital, Toxteth Park.
JJ
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Death of William's brother -
Charles Henry Brown
Birth Date - 22 Jun 1910 (birth date matches on Father's service record)
Date of Registration - Oct 1994
Age at Death - 84
Registration district - Warrington
Register Number - B48C
District and Subdistrict - 3461B
Entry Number - 150
Probate -
Charles Henry Brown of 11 Tibury Place, Murdishaw, Runcorn Cheshire died 12 Oct 1994
JJ
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Another sad death -
Samuel Brown (age 15m) died 11 January 1918 at 70 Pecksniff Street, Toxteth Park
JJ
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Death of John Brown -
John Brown
Birth Date - 22 May 1914
Date of Registration - Jan 1988
Age at Death - 73
Registration district - Liverpool
Vol 36 Page 1144
JJ
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Many many thanks for that. I have just been looking through William's service records, so very sad. :'( Nothing was ever mentioned by the family about William being in the war. He was my father-in-law's grandfather, whom I am doing research for.
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1901 -
Thomas Brown 40 Plasterer
Martha E Brown 40
William Brown son 20 Butcher b. Liverpool
Alfred Brown 18
Jessie Brown 16
Alice Brown 13
RG13 Piece 3493 Folio 106 Page 6
JJ
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Marriages Dec 1868
Brown Thomas Liverpool 8b 162
LOMAS Martha Eleanor Liverpool 8b 162
Most of the family you mention you found in 1901 the bapts are on familysearch, also on the new GRO index the children's Mmn is Lomas.
Cas
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Thanks JJ and cas, that is the family I have, I just need to confirm William is their son
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Baptisms (looks like a block booking :) -
Alice Brown
Birth - 13 Feb 1888
Baptism - 17 May 1892
Parish - St Peter's, Liverpool
Jessie Brown
Birth - 22 Aug 1885
Birth Place - Cottenham St
Baptism - 17 May 1892
Parish - St Peter's, Liverpool
Nellie Brown
Birth - 24 Feb 1890
Birth Place - Cottenham St
Baptism - 17 May 1892
Parish - St Peter's, Liverpool
Parents -
Thomas and Martha Eleanor Brown
JJ
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Oooh just the way we like it ;D
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William Brown
q3 1879, West Derby
Vol 8b Page 619
Mother's maiden name - Lomas
We finally get there :) :)
JJ
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Martha Eleanor Lomas
Age - Minor
Marriage - 29 Nov 1868, St Nicholas, Liverpool
Spouse's Name - Thomas Brown, Plasterer
Father's name - John Lomas
Spouse Father's Name - Jeremiah Brown
The above is available on Anc***ry
Hopefully you will now be able to go further back. Will let you have the pleasure of discovery but if you have any further questions then please do not hesitate to ask.
JJ
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Well what can I say ladies, apart from a very BIG thank you for all you're hard work. I shall put this info to good use and also to surprise father-in-law ;D
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Have just applied for William Brown (1879-1881) birth certificate, shall confirm details when I receive it. Again many many thanks
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This is the 1881 for family, maybe still at the same address on BC.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-22QL
I do think all clues add up to this family
Good luck
Cas
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Have just applied for William Brown (1879-1881) birth certificate, shall confirm details when I receive it. Again many many thanks
That's a good idea as that will give you an actual birth date which will be useful for checking the 1939 register to ensure William died before then.
JJ
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Hi just like to let you know I received William Brown's birth certificate today . He was born on 16 August 1879 at 22a Albert Street, Sub District of West Derby. His father being Thomas Brown, a Plasterer and mother being Martha Eleanor Brown formerly Lomas. She registered the birth on 23 September 1879.
Now here's the problem, ??? I have gone onto find my past and am unable to locate him. I spoke to my father-in-law and he remembers seeing them on a regular basis when he was a child(he was born 1936) and he believes his grandparents were living at Claribel St, near Princes Park.
Can anybody suggest where I should go from here. Any help would be gratefully appreciated
thanks
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Hi,
Many thanks for the update :)
Have you tried doing an address search on the 1939 for Claribel Street to see if any Browns are living there?
JJ
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Hi JJen ,Yep, I'v done birth entry, first name entry, surname entry, street entry, absolutely NOTHING, weird as I know they were alive at this time.
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Was Mary his wife still alive in 1939?
JJ
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Yes, I believe William died around 1949 and Mary around 1953 and they are both supposed to be buried at Smithdown Cemetery but I cannot find any entries there either