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Can aybody help?
The Cork Examiner of Thursday Morning December 9, 1869 has the follwing birth anouncement:
AUDLEY - At Barronstrand- street, Waterford, the wife of Mr Henry Audley of a son.
Can anybody explain why somebody in Waterford would announce the birth of their son in Cork?
I have quite a bit of information about people with the Audley surname in Counties, Waterford, Wexford and Kilkenny but nothing in County Cork
Mr Henry Audley Audley announced the birth of a daughter in 1864 in 2 Waterford papers. The 'Waterford Mail' and 'The Waterford Mirror and Tranmore Visitor' so why did he change to a Cork Newspaper in 1869.
Mr Henry Audley's wife was called Elizabeth Lindsay (estimated date of birth 1835) but no idea where.
Was there anybody living in County Cork in 1869 with the surname Audley?
Thanks in anticipation of any help
Regards
The Wirral Way
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www.corkpastandpresent.ie may have some information i.e directories etc. In the Griffiths Valuation mid 1850's there is a Lord Audley a landlord in West Cork area. Griffiths also has 78 entries for surname Lindsay in Cork view at www.nationalarchives.ie also Tithe Applotment records on same site has several records for Lindsay in Co Cork
www.historicgraves.ie has 1 entry for Audley in Waterford & several entries for Lindsay in Co Cork
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Hi ballydw,
Many thanks for your reply.
I have had a quick look at the street directories on the Cork past and present website but cannot find any reference to the Audley surname. I will have to do a more thorough search to be certain.
Your reference to Lord Audley is interesting. My understanding is that the surname of Lord Audley changed in 1777 from Touchet to Thicknesse. It therefore seems unlikely that my Audley in Waterford were decended from a Lord Audley; but there again I could be completely wrong
Regards
The Wirral Way
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No Audley BMD show up in the Cork area for 1864 to 1870.
That son was David born 6 Dec 1868
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03417/2253609.pdf
was Henry advertising in Cork at the time, could he have opened another shop there?
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You probably have this John 1867
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03462/2271468.pdf
Interesting error on his.
Did he get a notice in the papers?
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Hi Sinann
Thanks for your two messages.
I agree with your comments about no Audley BMD events in Cork 1864 to 1870
I agree that the son referred to in the birth announcement was called David
I am also aware of the birth of John in 1867
As far as I am aware his birth was not announced in a newspaper.
I believe Henry had 9 children and only two of their births were announced in the newspapers. Namely a daughter in 1864 and a son in 1869. Unfortunately the names of the children are not given in the newspapers.
I have no evidence that Henry was advertising in Cork or had a second shop there.
In your last message you state 'interesting error on his'. Can you explain what the interesting error is?
Thank for your comments
Regards
The Wirral Way
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There isn't one, it was his second name of Lindsay putting me off, confusing myself with too many searches.
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Hi Sinann,
Many thanks for your last reply. I was hoping you had spotted something I had missed; Lindsay being the mothers maiden name. They appear to have given two children the same name as I have references to a John Lindsay who died in 1866 aged 0 and reference to a John Lindsay Audley born 30th November 1867 ( the one you mentioned)
Secondly you made the comment that the son referred to in the Cork Examiner was called David born 6th December 1868. This cannot be correct as the Cork Examiner was published on 9th December 1869 just over a year after the birth of David.
At the moment I believe the birth announcement is for Henry's next son James Audley. It is interesting that I cannot find a record for the birth or baptism of this James Audley all I know he was aged 31 in the 1901 census of Waterford.
I wonder if for some reason the family were temporarily resident in Cork and James Audley was born in Cork.
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Comes from searching too late at night, I should know better. So another birth to find.
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To:The Wirral Way
Re Audley surname and Cork
The original Baron George Audley in Cork was a commander in the Battle of Kinsale in 1601 and then got much land in the local area and took the name Earl of Castlehaven. This estate in Cork was sold much later in the 1860s.
I published a local history book last year 'From Laois to Kerry' which included some pages on the the first three generations of Audleys in Cork and Ireland. If interested its available on Amazon.
I am now hoping to do more detailed biographies on these early generations of the Audleys in Cork and Ireland
Michael Keane
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Hi Michael.
Many thanks for your message above through the Rootschat website.
I already have quite a bit of information from published sources about the Earls of Castlehaven, their ancestors as Barons (Lord) Audley and their descendants after the extinction of the title of Earl of Castlehaven.
I have had a quick look at your book on Amazon and at the moment I do not feel inclined to purchase a copy for £18.50 for 'some pages on the first three generations of the Earls of Castlehaven. How much of those some pages is about the misdemeanours of the 2nd Earl of Castlehaven?
I would be interested in your more detailed biographies when published.
As far as I am aware the surname of the Earls of Castlehaven is Touchet (or Tuchet) and not Audley.
Reference 'The Complete Peerage 2nd edition Volume 3. The name Audley coming from the title 'Baron Audley' which was their only title before they also became Earls of Castlehaven and Baron Orier.
From the information I have it is clear that the children of a Touchet (Baron Audley) from a second marriage on a number of occasions took the surname Audley as opposed to Touchet, and I am wondering whether the Audley families of Waterford or The Rower, County Kilkenny could be related to the (Touchet) Earls of Castlehaven in a similar way.
Regards
The Wirral Way (Brian Audley)
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Pedigrees of the Parke, Brown, Southwell, Dowdall, Peppard, Conway, Moyse, Denny, Touchet, and O'Connell families, from the collection of E. Brown, Clonboy, Co. Clare.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 1653
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Brian
Re ancient origins it seems both the Touchets and the Audleys came over to England with William the Conqueror and the Touchets took the additional name Audley following a Touchet marriage to an Audley heiress in 1314. To come to modern times the 23rd Baron Audley married the daughter of Winston Churchill. I have compiled a little bit on this as I'm gradually gathering additional material.
My book has about 10 pages on the Touchet-Audleys (1st to 3rd Earls of Castlehaven), roughly 1580 -1680 who came to own large tracts of land in Castlehaven and Rosscarbery in Cork and also in Ulster following the Battle of Kinsale. The 10 pages are roughly equally divided between the three Earls. Seems the Cork Audley land was sold as an Encumbered Estate around 1860 following the Great Famine. The book is probably not of great interest apart from maybe references. However I have been giving copies to my friends for €10 incl p and p as that covers the costs and if interested you are welcome to one at that price. I am focused at the moment on trying to establish the full extent of the Audleys original landholding in Cork and the various Touchet-Audley owners over time. If any leads on that subject they would be welcome
Best wishes for 2018
Michael
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Hi hallmark and Gizmo678192,
hallmark,
Thanks for the suggestion I have looked at the National Library of Ireland website but have not managed to identify the manuscript. I will drop an e-mail to them in the New Year.
Gizmo678192
I will send you a private message through Rootschat. It may be later this evening depending upon when the two grandsons arrive
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Hi hallmark and Gizmo678192,
hallmark,
Thanks for the suggestion I have looked at the National Library of Ireland website but have not managed to identify the manuscript. I will drop an e-mail to them in the New Year.
Regards
The Wirral Way
National Library of Ireland, Ms. 1653
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Hallmark,
I have been trying to put numerous variations of 'MS1653' into the List Number of the NLI ' Mauscript Collection Lists page https://www.nli.ie/en/search-manscripts-collection-listing.aspx without success
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Manuscript call numbers may refer to a single volume, a collection of folders or a large number of boxes.
https://www.nli.ie/en/accessing-manuscripts.aspx
Email them and ask.