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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: mclaughlan on Wednesday 18 January 17 20:23 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for a birth of My Grandmother she was born around 1899, 17th March. Her parents were John Cairns and Margaret Hynes. Has anybody any ideas where in Ireland I could start my search?
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I would first try the Irish Civil Records?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
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Many thanks. :D
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Is this the same person as in a previous post of yours?
Has anybody a Maggie Cairns born 1900 she has a brother William born 1898. Her parents names were John and Maggie Cairns born around 1870. The family lived at 12 Burn Street, Dunbartonshire in 1901. Please contact me if any of this information matches with your Ancestors.
If so, why do you think she was born in Ireland? have you found her in 1901 and 1911? (and if so is 'Ireland' listed as her birthplace?)
Another thread here-
I am searching for the birth of May Cairns, born around 1900. Her parents names were John and Margaret Cairns The mothers maiden surname is not clear on the certificate it looks like Hynes? I have a copy of May's marriage certificate from 1921. The marriage took place in Port Glasgow, May lived in Greenock, Scotland. May married an Alexander McLaughlan. I have not also been able to trace a marriage for John and Margaret. I have tried to upload a copy to attach to this message the image is too big. If anybody knows of any information I would appeciate it. :)
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Yes it is. Still having no joy. I had a few leads which turned up dead ends so far. I am now attempting to search in Ireland as no luck in Scotland.
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Yes it is. Still having no joy. I had a few leads which turned up dead ends so far. I am now attempting to search in Ireland as no luck in Scotland.
Yes it is what? same person as other threads? Ireland is listed as her birthplace?
Do you have her anywhere in 1901 and 1911? if so, what are her details in them?
Due to possible spelling/name variations we need all the details you have to start helping you.
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The information I have is from May Cairns's marriage certificate she married in 1921 Port Glasgow to Alexander McLaughlan. Her parents names were John Cairns and Margaret nee Hynes. Both parents allegedley deceased. May lived in Chalmers Street Greenock. May worked as a Mill worker. I have found no records of birth, marriage or death certificates for John or Margaret in Scotland. A few other people have tried to help me in Scotland in my search to no avail. May and Alexander moved to Birkenhead, Merseyside around 1927. There are no further details I have for May.
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So you haven't found her in any census records?
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No I was able to confirm her birth date which is 17th March 1899 from the 1939 register in Birkenhead.
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Any occupation listed for her father? Any idea what religion she was?
Have you eliminated John Cairns (44, born Ireland) & wife Margaret (age 42, born Dalry, Ayrshire) with daughter Mary (age 12, born Glasgow) living in Glasgow in 1901? I know this Mary is born 10 years before 1899 but sometimes birth years aren't accurate- especially if husband is younger.
May could be a nickname for Margaret, Mary, Maud, etc. and spelling of surname could vary.
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What names do you have for witnesses on the marriage certificate.
If it is a church service, what denomination.
Where are you seeing birthplace Ireland.
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John Cairns profession was a labourer. I have found a few near matches and purchased certificates from Scotlands People with no results. Unfortunately I have no names of any siblings.
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Witness's were Alexander's siblings. They married in Ladyburn Manse Greenock. I am assuming Ireland as I have no trace in Scotland or England. My mum was a child when her mother died and she said she had an accent which was assumed to be Scottish/Irish.
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If John was Irish, a strong alternative spelling of his name would be Kearns or Kerins. Put a Scottish accent to that and it could easily sound and be written down as Cairns.
Just a thought. !!
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Thank you.
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There is a record of a John Cairnes DOB 14-Mar-1905 with an address in Kyle's Brae Killowen Coleraine.
Father: John Cairnes Mother: Maggie Hinds
Occupation: Labourer
Can't find Margaret or William
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Fantastic find, Mary ;D
Had a look at the Valuation Revision book covering Kyle's Brae 1900-1912 (after not finding the family in 1901 or 1911 census records in the area) but no trace of them which just means that John Cairns wasn't head of a household there.
Though I might have found Maggie under a different surname (birthdate 16/3 in school register) but when I looked up the birth certificate date listed as 1 April :-\
Back to the drawing board...
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There is a record of a Margaret Hinds DOB 23-Oct-1868 in Craigtown More, Portrush
Denomination: Presbyterian
Father:Thomas Hinds,railway labourer Mother: Anne Galt
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There is a record of a Margaret Hinds DOB 23-Oct-1868 in Craigtown More, Portrush
Denomination: Presbyterian
Father:Thomas Hinds,railway labourer Mother: Anne Galt
Except that Margaret is supposed to have been born in Scotland, not Ireland?
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I think that we have absolutely no idea where Margaret Hinds was born since the family have not been identified in any census records yet.
The best lead so far seems to the the 1905 birth for a John Cairnes in Coleraine, Co. Derry, Ireland that familyroutes found.
I can't find the family in 1901/1911 census in the area yet, nothing showing up under Kyle's Brae in the valuation revision books for the period.
In view of the location of the 1905 birth I keep coming back to a one local family but I want to check one or two more details before posting the names and information that I already had on them.
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Marriage of Mary Ann Hindes (1897) lists her father as John Hinds, labourer, and her residence as Cullyvenny (Macosquin Parish) just outside Coleraine. The witnesses were local men and probably not related to either bride or groom.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10469/5812407.pdf
Mary Ann died after giving birth to twins in 1902 and had a daughter Margaret Ann (born 16 Mar.1900 according to school register but birth certificate 1 Apr.1899) but she married in 1931 and stayed in Ireland.
Now, to Thomas Hinds & Ann Gault (birth certificate of their daughter Margaret posted earlier)-
son born 1864
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03630/2340072.pdf
Mary born 1866
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03533/2300276.pdf
Eliza Jane born 1870 Scotland
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ89-J5D
Thomasina born 1872 in Scotland-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQHG-7LX
Wonder if that Margaret Hinds didn't marry and go to U.S.-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFWV-2W8
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The details seemed really promising with Margaret Ann born 16 Mar 1900 Such a shame about the further details not matching. It is a mystery how I have never found any records of her living in Scotand except for details on her marriage certificate. Many Thanks though.
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Does anybody know if records were held travelling from Ireland to Scotland between 1899 - 1921 if so could anybody recommend any sites i could search maybe May Cairns might show up travelling on one of the ships. Many thanks.
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Ireland was part of U.K. so no records kept of people traveling from Ireland to England, Scotland or Wales.
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Thank you for letting me know.
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If May McLAUGHLAN nee CAIRNS died leaving young children, who looked after them?.
Did Alexander McLAUGHLAN marry again?
CAIRNS relatives might have been around to assist?
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May had 6 children Lilly born 1921, Mary 1923, William 1924 all born in Port Glasgow Scotland. Lilly for some reason unknown to the family lived in Scotland around 1927 May and Alexander moved to Birkenhead, Merseyside. My mum Ruth born 1936, Patricia 1938 and Eileen 1940. So in all 6 children with a 12 year gap. ALexander died 1944 and May died 1950. Alexander and May lived in Birkenhead until their respective deaths. When May and Alexander died William took over the roll of the man of the house. All records of any life events disappeared. My mum never remembered any family interaction with any other relatives.
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Did a bit more checking on family of Thomas Hinds & Ann Galt mentioned earlier and my head is spinning! These details are not complete.
Thomas' parents were Adam Hinds (born Portglenone, died Portrush according to an online tree) & Nancy McNeil (born & died Belfast according to same tree).
1871 census- Cadder, Lanarkshire: Thomas Hynds (29, Ireland), wife Ann (31, Ireland) & children Maryanne (5), Margaret (2), Eliza Jane (7 Months). All fits with the births I found. However an Archibald Hynds (20, Ireland) also in household- more about him shortly.
1881 census- Moodiesburn, Cadder: John Carcairn (50), wife Ann Carcairn (38) stepdaughter Thomasina Hynds (8 ), stepson Henry Hynds (6), dau. Helen Carcairn (4), son John Carcairn (2).
1891 census- New Monkland: John Fox (45), wife Ann Fox (42), Henry Routledge (16), John Corcoran (12), Thomasina Hynds (18), Ellen Corcoran (14), Rachel Hynds (3), Mary Hynds (1).
1881 census- Archibald Hynds (31), Jane (26), Agnes (2).
1891 census- Archd Hynds (38), Agnes (12), Archd (10), Faney (8 ), Jane (6).
1901 census- Cadder: Archibald (47), Archibald (19), Jane (15), Robert (11).
John Alexander Hinds, son of Adam, married 1894-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1894/10568/5849964.pdf
Adam Hinds of Bushmills died 1893 Colerawine Workhouse-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1893/05988/4703428.pdf
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Wonder if that Margaret Hinds didn't marry and go to U.S.-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFWV-2W8
Definitely looks like Margaret remarried even though May listed her as deceased on her marriage cert.
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We don't know that Thomas Hinds & Ann Galt are the parents of Margaret (Hinds) Cairns . At the moment all we are sure about is the parents to the child born Coleraine 1905 are the same names as those listed on Margaret's Scottish marriage certificate.
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True!
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Are you looking for Margaret or May?
I think it has been written that some names are interchangeable but usually it is Margaret/Maggie or Mary/ May.
You say that Lilly stayed in Scotland. Do you have any other information? Who she stayed with; her marriage?
Any clues there?
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I was told her name was May but I suppose her birth name could of been Margaret or Mary. Her mother was called Margaret. Lilly was adopted by my Grandfathers sister. Lilly married in Scotland. I found details about her birth and traced her from the Salvation Army as details of her as a child were here say.