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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Tikva on Sunday 15 January 17 07:17 GMT (UK)
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I'm not sure if the CD's that some Members have access to would give me the information I'm looking for, but figured this was worth a try before ordering a Marriage or Death printout. I am trying to confirm the parents names of one William Craigie, who married Louisa Miller on the 20th August 1879, and died on the 8th April 1901, both events occurring in the Queenstown area. Many thanks for anyone who can help :)
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William CRAIGIE and Louisa were married 18 Aug 1879 at Millers Flat, Central Otago.. his parents shown as James CRAIGIE and Marie ANDERSON. He died at Frankton on 8 April 1901.
Hope this helps
RajahNZ
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Thank you so much RajahNZ - that's the information I was looking for, although I had the mother as Mary Anderson, not Maria. Fairly interchangeable though.
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RajahNZ - I hope you don't mind me asking, but could you (or someone else who has access to the CD's) please check the parents of the following marriages as well, all with the Craigie surname? Trying to confirm if they are William's siblings or not.
- Hellen Craigie married Andrew Southberg on the 12 June 1867
- Mary Jane Craigie married George James Miller on the 20th July 1875
- Annie Anderson Craigie married Robert Bolton on the 1st June 1904
- John Craigie married Sarah Jane Branigan on the 8th February 1872
All good if you'd rather not do the lookups, and thanks again. :)
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Notice of the marriage of Annie Anderson Craigie:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19040622.2.23?query=robert%20bolton
Minniehaha.
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Thanks for that Minniehaha - I had already found that. It certainly indicates that her father was James Craigie, but there is no mention of her mother. The James Craigie that married Mary Anderson in Scotland was in fact a Ship's Master, not sure if he was a Captain though.
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Her burial details:
Cemetery Details
Surname BOLTON
Forename ANNIE ANDERSON
Age 49 Years
Gender Female
Date of Death 28 Dec 1910
Last Address GRAHAM ST
Next of Kin
Funeral Director Hugh Gourley Ltd, Grant Street, DUNEDIN
Cemetery ANDERSONS BAY CEMETERY
Location Block 20. Plot 84
Date of Burial 30 Dec 1910
Type Burial
Occupation
Place of Birth
Date of Birth Not recorded
Notes Original reference:- A19101208
Occupation:- WIDOW
Native of:- SCOTLAND
Years in NZ:- 40
Place died:- DUNEDIN
http://www.dunedin.govt.nz/facilities/cemeteries/cemeteries_search?recordid=699&type=Burial
Minniehaha.
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Thanks for that Minniehaha - I had already found that. It certainly indicates that her father was James Craigie, but there is no mention of her mother. The James Craigie that married Mary Anderson in Scotland was in fact a Ship's Master, not sure if he was a Captain though.
There is an online tree which gives details of this James CRAIGIE, mariner.
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Here is the birth of Annie Anderson CRAIGIE.
Parish of St. Nicholas, Aberdeen, SCOTLAND
Annie Anderson CRAIGIE
Date of Birth : 16 August 1861
Parents: James CRAIGIE and Mary ANDERSON
[Have births for some of her siblings at same Parish, also. ]
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Archives New Zealand have the Probate file for
Annie Anderson BOLTON - Year: 1911
[died on 28 December 1910 ]
View at familysearch.org
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1865481
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Thank you for the information you provided. I am aware of those births Lucy2, but my problem is that there are a number of William's siblings that I *think* also emigrated to New Zealand around the 1860's and 1870's, but I need to confirm that the people with the same names and approximate birth dates who married in New Zealand are actually those same siblings. Hope that makes sense.
Would you mind pointing me in the direction of the online tree you mentioned that had James Craigie, Mariner? Thanks again :)
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Annie Anderson BOLTON (nee CRAIGIE) was the sister of Helen SOUTHBERG (nee CRAIGIE).
[Mentioned in will of Annie A. BOLTON.]
Here is the Obituary of Helen SOUTHBERG :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LWM19300722.2.2
"Lake Wakatipu Mail"
It mentions Helen's two surviving sisters -- Mrs Geo. MILLER (Greenlane) and Mrs Robert STEVENSON (St Kilda).
Will post details of those shortly.
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The tree is at ancestry.com (actually, there may be several of them, but with info copied one to the other as tends to happen).
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William CRAIGIE and Louisa were married 18 Aug 1879 at Millers Flat, Central Otago.. his parents shown as James CRAIGIE and Marie ANDERSON. He died at Frankton on 8 April 1901.
Hope this helps
RajahNZ
Just curious ... did RajahNZ give you the actual source of this information -- e.g. names of parents of William CRAIGIE ??
It is just that parents names were not recorded on New Zealand marriage records until 4th quarter of 1880.
???
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Annie Anderson BOLTON (nee CRAIGIE) was the sister of Helen SOUTHBERG (nee CRAIGIE).
[Mentioned in will of Annie A. BOLTON.]
Here is the Obituary of Helen SOUTHBERG :
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LWM19300722.2.2
"Lake Wakatipu Mail"
It mentions Helen's two surviving sisters -- Mrs Geo. MILLER (Greenlane) and Mrs Robert STEVENSON (St Kilda).
Will post details of those shortly.
Thank you for that Lucy2 - that's exactly the information I was looking for, as Helen was one of the siblings that I wasn't sure came to New Zealand. There is also a John Craigie that I'm not sure of, but there were 2 John Craigie's born in the same year and same place, and the one that came to New Zealand had the birth date of the one that isn't the son of James Craigie and Mary Anderson.
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William CRAIGIE and Louisa were married 18 Aug 1879 at Millers Flat, Central Otago.. his parents shown as James CRAIGIE and Marie ANDERSON. He died at Frankton on 8 April 1901.
Hope this helps
RajahNZ
Just curious ... did RajahNZ give you the actual source of this information -- e.g. names of parents of William CRAIGIE ??
It is just that parents names were not recorded on New Zealand marriage records until 4th quarter of 1880.
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Ohhhh, I didn't realise that, and no, he didn't provide the source. I just assumed it was from the Marriages CD.
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RajahNZ - I hope you don't mind me asking, but could you (or someone else who has access to the CD's) please check the parents of the following marriages as well, all with the Craigie surname? Trying to confirm if they are William's siblings or not.
Tikva ... just to clarify ... the CD which contains info on marriages (namely the NSZG Marriages CD - 1836-1956) is only an index ... it is basically the same as what you see online at NZ BDM (although there are also notations re: Marriage info held in NZSG collections and some other indexing features. )
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I can eliminate one of the William CRAIGIE deaths for you ... back in a moment.
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Hi Tikva,
It looks as though the information provided by RajahNZ might be a compilation from a family tree sourced online or similar.
Spades
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[Just digressing ... hope to be able to post soon your WHEELER info to your other thread ... it required further checking at Library hence the delays. ] ~ Lu
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Hi Tikva ... do you have the census information for the CRAIGIE family at Montrose ??
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Hi Tikva ... do you have the census information for the CRAIGIE family at Montrose ??
I do for Mary (nee Anderson) and 3 of the children, but that isn't at Montrose.
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[Just digressing ... hope to be able to post soon your WHEELER info to your other thread ... it required further checking at Library hence the delays. ] ~ Lu
Thank you very much Lucy :)
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I do for Mary (nee Anderson) and 3 of the children, but that isn't at Montrose.
oops ... sorry, got confused with Montrose (as in birthplace).
So you have them 1851 - Parish of Dun - Angus - 5 Wharf Street
Mary - 34 (Seaman's wife) ... children : John (8) / Helen (6) William (2)
and 1861 - Aberdeen - St Nicholas - 3 Watts Court
- CRAIGIE - James - 47 - Sailor, Merchant Service
- Mary - 45 - wife ... children : Helen / William / Elizabeth and Mary Jane.
???
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oops ... sorry, got confused with Montrose (as in birthplace).
So you have them 1851 - Parish of Dun - Angus - 5 Wharf Street
Mary - 34 (Seaman's wife) ... children : John - 8* / Helen (6) William (2)
* correction to show child John, was aged 8 :
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Arrival in New Zealand :
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1609792
Per " Charlotte Gladstone" to Otago - 1873
CRAIGIE
- Mary J. - 17 years - servant
- Ann - 11 years
Travelling together - Both ex Aberdeen.
[Ann (Annie Anderson CRAIGIE) doesn't appear on the 1861 Scotland census ... as she was born later in that year. ]
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Presbyterian Marriages - Otago :
Queenstown Parish
CRAIGIE - Mary Jane - 19 years
MILLER - George James - 23 Years
Date: 20 July 1875
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CRAIGIE - William - 29 years
MILLER - Louisa - 21 years
Date : 20 August 1879
[* Do you have any idea if the MILLER spouses - George James and Louisa - are related ?? ]
I have some info for a William CRAIGIE with a connection to a George MILLER, to follow.
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I can eliminate one of the William CRAIGIE deaths for you ... back in a moment.
*** Correction *** ... above should have read as "John" CRAIGIE (not William).
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I do for Mary (nee Anderson) and 3 of the children, but that isn't at Montrose.
oops ... sorry, got confused with Montrose (as in birthplace).
So you have them 1851 - Parish of Dun - Angus - 5 Wharf Street
Mary - 34 (Seaman's wife) ... children : John (8) / Helen (6) William (2)
and 1861 - Aberdeen - St Nicholas - 3 Watts Court
- CRAIGIE - James - 47 - Sailor, Merchant Service
- Mary - 45 - wife ... children : Helen / William / Elizabeth and Mary Jane.
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Yes, I have them at both places. Sorry for any confusion. Although I haven't found James Craigie in the 1851 census and assume that he was at sea.
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https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1865481
The other CRAIGIE sister, mentioned in Obit. for Mrs Helen SOUTHBERG (see earlier link.)
Archives New Zealand hold Probate record for >
STEVENSON - Elizabeth Dacre -- Year : 1933
Access to this is via familysearch link ^^ above.
The will mentions her children of two marriages. [Have no explanation for the middle name "Dacre" -- it has also been spelled as "Dakers" and similar on other records ?? ]
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Elizabeth CRAIGIE firstly married John ASPINALL (sp. is ASPENALL on some records) - 1871.
John ASPINALL was a miner of Skipper's Point who died in 1890. One of the witnesses to his 1888 Will, was a Robert STEVENSON of Skipper's Point ( who is probably the same man who became Elizabeth's second husband.)
Probate record for > ASPINALL - John - Skipper's Point - Miner - Year: 1890 ... also can be viewed at famlysearch link.
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https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1865481
The other CRAIGIE sister, mentioned in Obit. for Mrs Helen SOUTHBERG (see earlier link.)
Archives New Zealand hold Probate record for >
STEVENSON - Elizabeth Dacre -- Year : 1933
Access to this is via familysearch link ^^ above.
The will mentions her children of two marriages. [Have no explanation for the middle name "Dacre" -- it has also been spelled as "Dakers" and similar on other records ?? ]
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Elizabeth CRAIGIE firstly married John ASPINALL (sp. is ASPENALL on some records) - 1871.
John ASPINALL was a miner of Skipper's Point who died in 1890. One of the witnesses to his 1888 Will, was a Robert STEVENSON of Skipper's Point ( who is probably the same man who became Elizabeth's second husband.)
Probate record for > ASPINALL - John - Skipper's Point - Miner - Year: 1890 ... also can be viewed at famlysearch link.
Yes, it was in part the "Dakers" middle name that made me question my original research about these siblings, and whether or not they did have the same parents. You see, James Craigie, the Ship Master and father of the siblings, had a brother, John Craigie. John married an Elizabeth Dakers, so I wondered if the Elizabeth Dakers Craigie, who married John Aspinall and Robert Stevenson, was their daughter, and not the daughter of James Craigie and Mary Anderson.
Thank you for those links :)
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Looking at Papers Past (not sure if you have covered that yet ?? ) :
William CRAIGIE (your man ?) - residing at or near to, Skipper's Point - appears in newspaper articles along with John ASPINALL (first husband of Elizabeth CRAIGIE) -- on local school committee (1881) ;
Wm CRAIGIE ... book debts of George MILLER, Storekeeper, of Skipper's Point, are sold to William CRAIGIE -- May 1877
Another article > 1877 > states that G. MILLER a surfaceman, went bankrupt in June 1877 .... Wm CRAIGIE is a relative of the man George MILLER.
* Is this George MILLER the "George James MILLER" who married Mary Jane CRAIGIE at Queenstown in 1875. ???
Above articles found in the "Lake Wakatipu Mail" newspaper.
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Also"Lake Wakatipu Mail" -- 30 May 1890
Obituary for > John ASPINALL
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Looking at Papers Past (not sure if you have covered that yet ?? ) :
William CRAIGIE (your man ?) - residing at or near to, Skipper's Point - appears in newspaper articles along with John ASPINALL (first husband of Elizabeth CRAIGIE) -- on local school committee (1881) ;
Wm CRAIGIE ... book debts of George MILLER, Storekeeper, of Skipper's Point, are sold to William CRAIGIE -- May 1877
Another article > 1877 > states that G. MILLER a surfaceman, went bankrupt in June 1877 .... Wm CRAIGIE is a relative of the man George MILLER.
* Is this George MILLER the "George James MILLER" who married Mary Jane CRAIGIE at Queenstown in 1875. ???
Above articles found in the "Lake Wakatipu Mail" newspaper.
I was actually wondering if that George Miller was a brother to William's wife, Louisa Miller. It's possible that they are in fact all the same man!
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Yes, it was in part the "Dakers" middle name that made me question my original research about these siblings, and whether or not they did have the same parents. You see, James Craigie, the Ship Master and father of the siblings, had a brother, John Craigie. John married an Elizabeth Dakers, so I wondered if the Elizabeth Dakers Craigie, who married John Aspinall and Robert Stevenson, was their daughter, and not the daughter of James Craigie and Mary Anderson.
Thank you for those links :)
The "Dacre" name seems only to come to the fore c. 1890. [Prob. transcription error, but NZSG Marriages CD has "ASPINALL - Elizabeth Dawe - 1892 - marrying to Robert STEVENSON. ]
Elizabeth is though claimed as "a sister" in the obit of Helen SOUTHBERG ... and isn't she the 9- year-old daughter > born Montrose > of James and Mary CRAIGIE in 1861 Scotland census at St Nicholas, Aberdeen ???
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Right ... so what info do you already have for George James MILLER the husband of Mary Jane (nee CRAIGIE) ??? [They went to Auckland did they not ? ]
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Right ... so what info do you already have for George James MILLER the husband of Mary Jane (nee CRAIGIE) ??? [They went to Auckland did they not ? ]
I don't have a lot yet, as I am only just starting to work my way through the siblings of William Craigie and what happened to them, but yes, they did go to Auckland.
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From E/rolls :
In 1900 MILLER family are on Wakatipu Roll :
MILLER
- Mary Anderson - domestic duties (this is dau. b. 1877)
- James William - shepherd (this is son b. 1878)
- George - station Manager
- Mary - domestic duties
... all at Wanaka Station.
[Dau. Gertrude not yet eligible for admission to voters roll - bc. 1880]
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Could only see the following births (quick search) for Mary Jane and George James MILLER.
The 3 following were all registered at Wakatipu.
1877 - MILLER - Mary Anderson
1878 - MILLER - James William
1880 - MILLER - Gertrude Annie
[I don't have time to search for others. ]
Significant (perhaps) that child is named "Mary Anderson" after Mary Jane's mother no doubt ?
Son also with first name James (perhaps named for grandfather ?)
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Mary Jane and George James MILLER appear on Auckland e/rolls from c. 1928 - Parnell roll - his occupation is given as farmer.
Both are buried (same plot) at Hillsborough Cemetery, Auckland :
The following appears on the cemetery records.
MILLER - Mary Jane - d. 6 April 1949 aged 93 years - Buried 8 April 1949
Hillsborough - Area 11 - Block B - Lot 748
Occupation: Home duties
Residence: 4 Marewa Road, Greenlane
Presbyterian
Native Place: Aberdeen
Last from Greenlane
In New Zealand for 76 years.*
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[Notes: * Place of birth or Native place and approx. year of birth (1856), are a v. good match.
Years in NZ slightly astray ... (arrived early 1873 with sister Annie) ... but remember Mary Jane herself is not the informant.]
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oops ... hit post button too soon. ;D
Information for Mary Jane's husband is >
MILLER - George James - aged 91 years - born Australia
Buried 7 June 1944
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The daughter > Gertrude Annie MILLER > remained a spinster - she died 14 July 1969 aged 88 years.
Cremation record at Waikumete Cemetery, Auckland.
She lived with her parents - her last address was also 4 Marewa Road, Greenlane.
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oops ... hit post button too soon. ;D
Information for Mary Jane's husband is >
MILLER - George James - aged 91 years - born Australia
Buried 7 June 1944
Thank you so very much for all the information you have provided above!
Regarding George being born in Australia, that actually makes it more possible that he is Louisa Miller's brother, Louisa being the one who married William Craigie, as her siblings were born in Australia.
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Yes, I can see some children (including Louisa) born to Lewis MILLER and Jane DOUGHTY in Victoria.
Can't immediately see "George James" though. ???
They have a child named as "James" but birth is registered 1861 (whereas G. J. is born c. 1853 ? )
Will take another look tomorrow.
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... from another resource ... says George James MILLER (d. 1944) in NZ 70 years - so arrival c. 1874 ?
[But the Years in NZ for Mary Jane were slightly out ??]
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... nothing further found just yet for George James MILLER (one three has him born "England" and Mary Jane Born in Devon ::) ) .
Lewis and Jane MILLER (Louisa's parents) were in NZ by 1868 because their youngest daughter Agnes was born here.
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A few days ago, whilst checking the information in this particular tree that I'm researching, I actually decided to remove George Miller from the list of Lewis Miller and Jane's (nee Doughty) children because I was unable to find a birth record for him in Victoria, and I know from the passenger list that Lewis (Louis) and Jane emigrated from Scotland to Victoria without any children. However, I did wonder if George might have been born at sea on that voyage.
There is a passenger list of the ship "Gothenberg I" that shows Jane Miller and 5 children coming from Victoria, Australia and going to Otago, New Zealand, and one of those children is a George Miller, who was 11 in February 1865. The other 4 children have the same names and approximate birth dates as Lewis and Jane's children. Here is a link to that list - http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_results?searchid=42&format=freetext&FamilyName=miller&GivenName=&Ship=Gothenburg+I&Destination=&Month=2&Monthto=2&Year=1865&Yearto=1865&SearchSortField1=&SearchRecords=25&x=68&y=16
When I checked NZ Probates for George James Miller's will (this being the George Miller who married Mary Jane Craigie) there is an Affidavit in which his daughter states the following:
"That I am informed by Edith Elizabeth Ellen Reid of Auckland, a daughter of the said deceased, that the said deceased was born at sea, of British parents, on the voyage from Scotland to Australia......"
So, more and more I am leaning towards these 2 George Millers actually being the same George Miller, namely the son of Lewis Miller and Jane Doughty. Now, if only I can find a record of George's birth at sea, so that I will know for certain. I did check the Victoria births at sea, but couldn't find a George Miller.
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Mmm ... Register of Births at Sea appears to start at 1854 (so too late for George).
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Have found ship that Jane and Louis MILLER arrived on into AUS.
Images are quite difficult to read ... can't at present see Births on board (plenty entered in Deaths at sea.) :(
Will look further.
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Have found ship that Jane and Louis MILLER arrived on into AUS.
Images are quite difficult to read ... can't at present see Births on board (plenty entered in Deaths at sea.) :(
Will look further.
Is that the "Ticonderoga", also known as the "fever ship"? I have access to those images, so will have a look more closely at them.
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Yes, "Ticonderoga" + 1852
I've just had another look without any real joy.
Double pages - one side gives "Nominal List" (Immigrant's names/ ages/ calling/ native place etc.)
Right-hand side of page shows "Disposal list" (who employed them / where they went/ wages allocated etc.)
Then starting at Image 359 - left-hand page has Nominal List -- r-hand page begins listing the "Deaths".
It is mentioned in articles that 19 births occurred on the voyage.
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Yes, "Ticonderoga" + 1852
I've just had another look without any real joy.
Double pages - one side gives "Nominal List" (Immigrant's names/ ages/ calling/ native place etc.)
Right-hand side of page shows "Disposal list" (who employed them / where they went/ wages allocated etc.)
Then starting at Image 359 - left-hand page has Nominal List -- r-hand page begins listing the "Deaths".
It is mentioned in articles that 19 births occurred on the voyage.
I also have looked at them more closely, and whilst found the Deaths, can't find the Births.