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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: mgraham1 on Tuesday 10 January 17 18:36 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for any info to go deeper into my family tree - regarding John and Mary Graham - they are supposedly the parents of Allan Graham born 1818 in Torpenhow Cumberland - he was married to Mary Graham and they had children Ann, Elizabeth Mary and Robert
Info info would be appreciated
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I can see an 1851 entry for a widowed Allan Graham aged 33 but he was born Bothel. Children Robert 7 and Mary 4 also born Bothel
HO107 Piece 2435 Folio 411 Page 17
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he was married to Mary Graham and they had children Ann, Elizabeth Mary and Robert
GRO maiden name search on son Roberts birth shows mmn Scott
Marriages December qtr 1843
Allan Graham/Ann Scott Cockermouth 25 107
There are a number of Ann/Mary Graham deaths in the Cockermouth RD from 1846-1851
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That could well make sense
as i have him also living with a Mary Graham and there were 2 children born after 1851 -
so timeline could be
marries Ann Scott in 1843
has 2 children Mary and Robert
between 1847 and 1851 Ann dies
before 1851 is living with Mary
has 2 children Ann and Elizabeth
ok thank you for that - i will look into it further
but havent got the date for that yet
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The 1843 marriage is the only one for an Allan/Allen Graham but see this 1861 entry - children b Bothel
Allen Graham 43 b Torpenhow
Mary 44 b Wigton
Ann 8
Margaret 8
Elizabeth 5
RG9 Piece 3940 Folio 66 Page 16
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GRO maiden name search on the twins shows mmn Barnes
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before 1851 is living with Mary
has 2 children Ann and Elizabeth
Has 3 children - twins plus another - see 1861 entry above
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Mary & Robert from his 1843 marriage were both working as servants in 1861 - both b Bothel
In 1871 - there is a 3yr old granddaughter Maria A Graham b Torpenhow. Maiden name search on Maria indicates she was illegitimate
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Maria's mother was Mary - this is from FS
Name Maria Ann Graham
Gender Female
Christening Date 25 Apr 1868
Christening Place TORPENHOW,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Mother's Name Mary Graham
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I now have Allans siblings Ann, Joseph, Alexander and Jane
His father John Graham as born in Ireland in about 1791
Is there a way to find his parents in ireland?
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I now have Allans siblings Ann, Joseph, Alexander and Jane
His father John Graham as born in Ireland in about 1791
Where has that info come from?
Family Search shows 6 baptisms in Torpenhow to a John & Mary Graham - none of whom match the names you have given above apart from Alan
Robert 28.5.1816
Alan 10.9.1818
John 3.7.1819
William 16.9.1821
Sarah 27.7.1823
Thomas 7.8.1825
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There is a possibility Allan's "wife" Mary was previously married to a John White. There is a widowed Mary White born 1818 Wigton - no children - living next door to a William Graham & family in 1851.
Mary Barnes married John White in 1844 in Wigton
When a widow "re-marries" and has children to her second marriage - the birth certs will always show her maiden name and not her previous married name
I would recommend you buy a copy of Allan's 1843 marriage cert to confirm his father was John
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After updating the previous info for Allan, it gave me some more hints on ancestry
one of these was a family tree that provided the dates for john and mary (mary born in bothel)
also there were their children including an alan graham born 1818
all the births etc seem to be in and around cumberland
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Then in the 1841 census for bothel we have
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Name Age
John Graham 50
Mary Graham 40
Mary Graham 14
Maria Graham 12
Ann Graham 10
Joseph Graham 8
Alexander Graham 6
Jane Graham 4
im assuming Allan would have left here by now
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Graham was quite a popular surname in Cumberland and I never trust anybody else's research. This is the 1841 entry for Torpenhow the tree you have viewed is taken from
John Graham 50 agric labourer b Ireland
Mary 40
Mary 14
Maria 12
Ann 10
Joseph 8
Alexander 6
Jane Graham 4
HO107 Piece 163/9 Folio 9 Page 13
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Yes - i have a few to buy before i have them as confirmed
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There is an 1851 entry for a widowed Mary Graham b Bothel 1796 living in Bothel & Threapland with sons William 29 and Thomas 26 which match the Family Search baptisms I found in my earlier reply. On the next page is the 1851 entry for Allan Graham
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In the Irish records there is a John Graham born 1791 which goes with what i have already
Parents are George Graham and Ann Darcy - from a baptism record
but there seems to be no marriage record for them - was hoping that if they married close to the year John was born it might give me more to go on - i have searched the irish and british records that i can get access to
and then to see if he has any siblings - looks like another birth cert needed lol
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I think i may have to get certs for Ann, Margaret and Elizabeth to see if they are Allans children or if Mary is a relative living with Allan (would explain no marriage cert)
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Please see replies 5 and 11
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Sorry its been a while, life got in the way lol
something i have come across, Allen graham who it says died in 1880, who seems to be the father of robert, on roberts 1864 marriage certificate it says that allen his father is deceased
would there be a reason for putting deceased even if he wasnt?