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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: ray-1 on Tuesday 10 January 17 08:53 GMT (UK)
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Wondering how, if possible to tie in Richard Anders on the 1911 CENSUS living at 6 Low HiLL, Liverpool. He would have been of age for enlistment during WW1, but he was married with two children. Bar Manager [Coach an Horses] don't think this would have been reserved occupation. The Medal roll shows a RICHARD ANDERS, LIVERPOOL REGT Sgt 5503 and Y+L R 39736 Roll 0?/2/102 B18, any thoughts on how to find a home address for Sgt Anders or family names etc. The above details taken from Ancestry, Thanks
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Were any children born to Richard during WW1? Their birth certificates could show his regiment etc.
Are you aware that around 70% of WW1 service records were lost in the bombing in WW2? His could have been destroyed.
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Nanny jan has it right.Only one service record survives for a Richard Anders and he is from Bishops Stortford and not your man. The medal roll record for the one you cite gives a minor clue that might help if it ties in anywhere else. He served first in 3rd Battalion Kings Liverpool Regiment but ended the war in 1st Battalion York and Lancaster Regiment (his second number) leaving the army on 22 January 1919.
maxD
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I think MaxD's clue is in that he was disembodied in 1919 meaning he was a pre-war Territorial in the KLR so would be local to that area. His 5503 no. also indicates the same.
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The Kings Regt Devereux Database link below has a Pte Richard Anders 005503 listed.
Entering his name on the touch screen computer at the foot of the Regt Medal Tower on the First floor of the Museum of Liverpool Life at the Pier Head Waterfront will provide more info held on each recruit including addresses and family.
However the building is closed for Maintenance till late February 2017
Will look for you in March when next back in Liverpool
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/mol/visit/galleries/soldiers/research/kingsreg/index.aspx
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That would be more than helpful ALAMO, really appreciate that. Thank you one and all for your informative input, what great people and a great site, thank you
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Found one man with no. 39775 attested as a TF & transferred to the 3/KLR 19/9/16 & transferred again to the 1/Y & L as part of the EEF & posted to Salonica 22/10/16.
Quite possibly your man was transferred at the same time as no's were usually issued in blocks.
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Was Richard Anders married to a Helena ?
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Was Richards Mother Catherine ?
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Hi, his wifes name was Helena Rose, but his mothers name was Elizabeth and his father was also named Richard..., hope this helps
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Did Richard have a Brother who married a Catherine ?
Did Richard have a second Christian Name John ?
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He only had the one christian name, Richard. Richard did have a brother John but do not know his wifes name. He came from quite a large family, eleven brothers and sisters.
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Arrived in Liverpool a week earlier than planned.
Saw that Museum had opened on 20 Feb called in to view Kings Devereux database as promised.
It had only one with only same info that Jim1 found.
Pte Richard Anders 3T 005503 other unit 1York&Lancs 039736. Discharged 22/01/1919
Saw Kathy Donaldson later in Liverpool Archive Library she on Facebook runs Liverpool & SW Lancs History Society she checked her personal database of Liverpool Regts & Lancs Regts of WW1 soldiers killed injured or with newspaper mentions. No Trace.
I then checked Gore's Directory 1900 a John Anders . Baker in Walton area .no Richard
He appears on 1911 Gore's at 6 Low Hill Coach & Horses each year till 1915 when his Wife Helena appears on 1916 Gore's at same address till and including 1920 There is a Richard Anders also in 1920 no profession at 77a Bagot St Wavertree
Also in 1920 there was a Head of Household in the Gore's Mrs Catherine Anders at 46 Bulwer St.Bootle.each year till 1925 when the Head of Household became per Gore's Mrs Helen Anders so presume Helen lived with Catherine after 1920 till she died or moved away.
Gore's in 1946 shows a Mrs Catherine Anders at 149 Lordens Rd and a Wm Anders at 11 Bulwer St Liverpool 3 off Breck rd not Bootle.Strange. Coincidence.
Death Indexes show a Richard John Anders aged 83 in Dec quarter 1924 West Derby and an Elizabeth Anders aged 65 in Dec quarter 1925 in Prescot Area where there were loads of Anders deaths registered most years mostly females.
Hope this helps.
ALAMO 2008
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Fascinating and some of the information fits in well. Helena and Richard seperated, when I do not know. Richards and Helenas offsprings Alice and John were both brought up by their grandparents in St Helens, 1911 census shows him residing with his grandparents aged 3. Helena continued to manage and own pubs in the Liverpool and New Brighton area well into the 1950's. They never divorced. Richard moved back to St Helens but when, I do not know. Whether Richard moved to Bagot St I do not know.
At this time I do not feel that Catherine Anders is part of the puzzle, but of course who knows what mysteries get thrown up. Richard was definetly back in St Helens by 1939, occupation down on sons wedding cert shows him working at glass works.
Many thanks for your hard work and input, it really is most appreciated. I hope you have a informative and enjoyable whilst in Liverpool, many thanks Ray