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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cambridgeshire => England => Cambridgeshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Genemum on Monday 09 January 17 20:42 GMT (UK)
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Alice was born 1827. in Ince Lancashire and christened at All Saints Wigan Lancs. She had a daughter Elizabeth Greenwood b 1847. I am trying to find Elizabeth's father. He would have been my Gt Gt grandfather. Alice eventually married James Bimson, and her daughter Elizabeth, married Isaac Wilson Lawrence in 1866. I believe Alice was in service at a house in Ince when Elizabeth was born. Can anyone help please?
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Welcome to Rootschat.
I'm afraid it sounds as if Elizabeth was illegitimate, so you may have problems proving who was her father. Have you got her birth certificate, is the space for her father blank? What about her marriage certificate, does she name a father on that?
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What is Alice's maiden name?
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What is Alice's maiden name?
Unless it was her second marriage, she was Greenwood
Marriages Dec 1861
BIMSON James
GREENWOOD Alice
Wigan 8c 49
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I see Elizabeth is with her mother and grandparents in 1851
James Greenwood 55
Elizabeth Greenwood 50
Alice Greenwood 23
James Greenwood 20
Ann Greenwood 17
Jane Greenwood 14
Elizabeth Greenwood 3 grand daughter
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I see her maiden name is actually Greenwood. Have now found what must be Alice's baptism on Family Search.
This must be Elizabeth Greenwood's birth indexed on GRO:
GREENWOOD, ELIZABETH
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in WIGAN UNION Volume 21 Page 734
Gives no maiden name for mother.
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Thanks Nova67, I think Elizabeth's dad will never be known. It must have been hard to live back then.
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Lancashire BMD gives her maiden name
GREENWOOD Elizabeth mother's maiden name GREENWOOD Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/8/241
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Hi Groom. Thanks so much for your help, i didnt expect so much interest , i dont think i will ever find my mystery gt gt grandfather, unless luck intervenes. Thanks.
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Hello again.
I found Elizabeth Greenwood and Isaac Wilson Lawrence under Cheshire Marriage Licence Bonds and Allegations. This is dated 21 June 1866.
James Bimson initially gives consent as father of Elizabeth Greenwood, however, it is crossed out and it states below it:
"Elizabeth Greenwood hath no lawful father living or guardian of her person lawfully appointed or mother living and unmarried or guardian of her person appointed by the Court of Chancery and having authority to consent to this marriage"
Issac Wilson Lawrence signature below.
The image is available at Find My Past UK.
I have a similar problem with a great-grandfather unknown ???
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That's a good find. I don't understand the bit about mother not living as her mother was still alive in 1881.
Looks as if this could be your brick wall I'm afraid, as her father could be anyone!
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I don't understand the bit about mother not living as her mother was still alive in 1881.
I don't understand the legal significance, but the wording says "or mother living and unmarried". So if her mother was living but married then presumably she couldn't give consent for her daughter to marry. Don't ask me why!
David
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Hello All, I have just returned to this knotty problem and I am afraid I did not see page two of your good works! Many thanks to you.
I have not solved the problem and probably never will, but its been fun!
Kind Regards