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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: rye470 on Friday 06 January 17 16:10 GMT (UK)
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Good Morning,
I wonder if anyone can help me with the above individual. Samuel Gideon Baggs was born, we think, in September 1913, and I am trying to locate a copy of his birth certificate for his son. How much easier can it be? I have the month and year, but we have a problem with the location. On all census records/official documents his birthplace varies between United States and St. John's, Newfoundland. I have found sibling births in Mass., but can't find Samuels birth in either place. Can anyone point me in the right direction.
My cousin, who's parents split up when he was a baby, needs his fathers birth cert. to apply for British Citizenship after having lived in Scotland with his Scottish mum, for 66 years.
Many Thanks for any help,
Christine.
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The only one that seems to be coming up is Samuel Gideon Baggs born 1891 Broad cove Newfoundland. Parents - William Baggs - Mother: Leah Moser
Have you got the parents names ?
Sandra
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This one buried Mount Pleasant Protestant Cemetery Field Of Honour St. John's, Newfoundland seems may be the one you mean - passed away 15 July 1997 aged 84 years
http://ngb.chebucto.org/Cemetery/baggs-samuel-mt-pleas-prot-sjc-5372.shtml
http://ngb.chebucto.org/NFREG/WWII/ww2-arty-B-surname.shtml
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
Many Thanks for having a look.
The Samuel Gideon Baggs born 1891 may well be an Uncle, but I haven't managed that far yet. The Samuel who died 1997 is my cousins father. He was born to Joseph K. Baggs and Julia Muller in September of 1913. I had hoped his gravestone would have had more information but as it's a soldiers grave, not much there. The month and date are enough to find him in any records, I just don't know which country to ask. Canada or the USA :-\. Samuel's father had a problem with his place of birth too. It changed on every document as well. ???
Christine.
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Are you sure he was born as Baggs? The Canadian census for 1921 (St John's, Newfoundland) shows him as stepson, rather than son, of Joseph K Baggs - who at this point is married to a Susannah.
Image available on Familysearch.
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That one threw me for a few minutes. Long enough to tell my cousin that he wasn't really a Baggs, and then I read it again. The last 4 siblings on the 1921 are all said to be stepchildren, but Susannah is only 25, and Samuel, the youngest is 8. I found birth entries for Joseph Jr. and Ethel May (Minnie) showing their parents were Joseph K and Julia Mulley, married in Revere, Mass. in 1902. Julia died due to 'premature childbirth' when Samuel was 5 in 1918. By 1921 Joseph has remarried and he and Susannah have a 20 month old daughter, Elizabeth. I had to back track quickly and tell my cousin that he had been using the correct surname for 67 years. :-[
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Where did Julia die? And Joseph remarry?
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There is a marriage on FamilySearth for Joseph K Baggs marrying a Susannah Penney Feb. 15 1919
Joseph was 38 and Susannah was 22
There is also a marriage for a Arthur Miller 35 marrying a Susannah Penney age 19 13 April 1916
On FamilySearch again a 1945 Census record for Newfoundland with this family indicating Samuel was 32 and single born in USA. Looks like Samuel was born 8 Sept 1913
I checked birth records for states of Massachusetts, Maine and New Hampshire but no birth for Samuel.
If the 1921 census indicates Samuel was a stepson did Joseph adopt him because all the other children with the exception of the youngest indicate they were stepchildren also. Quite puzzling
Will need to go backwards and check further.
Lilybell
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Food for thought.....
If Susannah had filled in the 1921 census form, she might have listed all Joseph's children by Julia as her stepsons and stepdaughters. And Elizabeth as her daughter, aged 20 months but with a very wrong birth year written.
There is an application on familysearch for a Newfoundland birth certificate for Mary Janet b. 1903 in Chelsea which was denied b/c of her birth place. Joseph indicates he brought her to Nfld when she was 7, so about 1910, and indicates she had lived there since. This would lead to the suggestion that the family remained in Nfld and that Samuel was born there. So I might start there to try and find a birth record.
PB
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On the 1910 US census for Massachusetts Joseph K Baggs is listed as brother in law in the household
indicates he immigrated in 1902.
Lilybell
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Found on NL Genweb 1913 Voters List Joseph K Baggs Broad Cove South
Also found a birth on FamilySearch for Samuel Gideon Baggs born 12 Feb. 1891 parents William C Baggs and Leah Moores, father was a fisher Samuel's BP Broad Cove Bay de Verde Newfoundland,
I do not know if this ties in with your Samuel but it is the only one I was able to find so far.
Lilybell
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Good Morning,
I wonder if anyone can help me with the above individual. Samuel Gideon Baggs was born, we think, in September 1913, and I am trying to locate a copy of his birth certificate for his son. How much easier can it be? I have the month and year, but we have a problem with the location. On all census records/official documents his birthplace varies between United States and St. John's, Newfoundland. I have found sibling births in Mass., but can't find Samuels birth in either place. Can anyone point me in the right direction.
My cousin, who's parents split up when he was a baby, needs his fathers birth cert. to apply for British Citizenship after having lived in Scotland with his Scottish mum, for 66 years.
Many Thanks for any help,
Christine.
that’s my grandfather im Samuel Baggs… my father’s dad, and know the story, his war bride moved back to Scotland shortly after his birth! So my uncle certificate should be in Newfoundland!
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Newfoundland in 1913 was not yet a Canadian Province. They didn't join until 31 March 1949. After WW2.
Hatch, Match and Dispatch ( or Birth, Marriage and Deaths) we often recorded by the local or visiting priest depending on how remote the settlement (Some places only got paved roads after 1980s.And many of the outer islands were resettled in the 1960s ) The census is hit or miss. Many older Newfoundlanders found it difficult or impossible to find a record of their birth so they could apply for social security after Confederation. They relied on records for Baptisms and in some cases records in family bibles and affidavits from family or parishiners. You could try parish searches but any official records would be found in "The Rooms" in St. John's the capital.
A quick look on the Chebucto Genealogy website and a bit of googling and I found a Samuel Gideon Baggs born 12 Feb. !891. A bookkeeper from Bay de Verde who served in WW1. His Mother Leah is next of kin according to his attestation papers father William having died. I can find him and wife Isobel also in St. John's on the 1921 census but no children listed. You have probably seen Joseph and Susanah on Mundy Pond Road with Elizabeth, Minnie, Joseph, Ethan and Step son Samuel( Cound this be Joseph's nephew rather than a stepson? Looking further I found a death of a Name Samuel Gideon Baggs
Birth Date 1914
Death Date 15 Jul 1997
Event Type Burial
Event Place St. John's
Perhaps ordering a copy of this death certificate could help you work backwards and find out what he used to prove his birth and get his CCP. You can do it by mail or online.
Good Luck