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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Staffordshire => England => Staffordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: rubygemstone on Tuesday 03 January 17 23:36 GMT (UK)
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Hello Everyone,
I'm looking up Frederick William Butler B:c 1873 Darlaston, Staffs, occupation Book keeper.
He married in December 1899 Walsall, Staffs to Lucy Wolverson Ash B:1874 Willenhall, Staffs.
I'm hoping on the check up that a daughter Winifred shows.
Thank you
Ruby :)
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Hi no sign of a Winifred with family, but a Frederick R Butler aged 8 months b Willenhall, Frederick W is now a Book Shop Keeper
Census Ref RG13/2684/139/21
Keyboard86
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Hi no sign of a Winifred with family, but a Frederick R Butler aged 8 months b Willenhall, Frederick W is now a Book Shop Keeper
Census Ref RG13/2684/139/21
Keyboard86
Hello Keyboard86,
Thank you for looking up for me, it's the right person but only one child showing and the father was a Book keeper.
Ruby
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Hi again Ruby, I can assure you the original for Frederick W shows his occupation as either a Boot Shop or Book Shop Keeper?
Keyboard86
EDIT checking later census he is a Boot Dealer!
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The birth of Frederick Rose Butler was in 1900 - GRO maiden name search shows mother was Ash so from the details you gave - it's the correct family
Where did you get the info they had a daughter Winifred?
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Hi again Ruby, I can assure you the original for Frederick W shows his occupation as either a Boot Shop or Book Shop Keeper?
Keyboard86
Yes he's definitely a Book shop Keeper as i have it in my tree.
I've found three Winifred born in the walsall area but can't get access to parents to match.
Winifred May Butler 6B 808 B:1901 Walsall
Winifred Edith Butler 6B 771 B:1904 walsall
Winifred May Butler 6B 728 B:1907 Walsall
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The birth of Frederick Rose Butler was in 1900 - GRO maiden name search shows mother was Ash so from the details you gave - it's the correct family
Where did you get the info they had a daughter Winifred?
Hi CaroleW,
A cousin as asked me if i have a daughter in my tree called winifred so i'm just checking, as i don't have the children just the parents, as i've not worked on my tree in a few years.
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Have you checked the mothers maiden name for each of those births using the GRO search?
They only married 1899 - son Frederick born Sept qtr 1900 so little chance of another child before the 1901 census. Have you checked the 1911 census - index search shows no daughter of that name.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Willenhall was in the Wolverhampton RD so the only birth there was in 1908 and GRO maiden name was not Ash
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Hi again Ruby, but they were in the Wolverhampton registration district in 1901 ( Willenhall) and in fact by the looks of it still were c 1908?
Birth Dora Lucy Butler December qtr 1907 Wolverhampton 06B 606 Mothers maiden name Ash
In 1911 he is a Boot Dealer?
Keyboard86
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Hi again Ruby, I can assure you the original for Frederick W shows his occupation as either a Boot Shop or Book Shop Keeper?
Keyboard86
EDIT checking later census he is a Boot Dealer!
So he became a Boot dealer later after being a Book shop keeper?...just for confirmation :)
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:) No what the original shows is a smudged Boot or Book then a clear Shop Keeper in 1901, but a Boot Dealer in 1911?
Keyboard86
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Have you checked the mothers maiden name for each of those births using the GRO search?
They only married 1899 - son Frederick born Sept qtr 1900 so little chance of another child before the 1901 census. Have you checked the 1911 census - index search shows no daughter of that name.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Willenhall was in the Wolverhampton RD so the only birth there was in 1908 and GRO maiden name was not Ash
Carol i've never used GRO mainly familysearch besides other sites and i know that willenahll was in the wolverhampton Rd, as i myself was born in Willenhall :)
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:) No what the original shows is a smudged Boot or Book then a clear Shop Keeper in 1901, but a Boot Dealer in 1911?
Keyboard86
Keyboard86,
Thanks for this extra info as i'll be adding it in my tree tomorrow & he seems a man of many talents :)
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Thank you both for checking for me & CarolW i'll join the GRO if it will help.
Kind Regards
Ruby
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Carol i've never used GRO mainly familysearch besides other sites and i know that willenahll was in the wolverhampton Rd, as i myself was born in Willenhall
The family were in Willenhall in 1901 and 1911 but you were quoting freebmd birth entries from Walsall which is the point I was trying to make
Family Search will not give you mothers maiden name for pre-1911 births but the new search facility on the GRO website will. Using it enables you to determine the correct birth entry when you find multiple entries for the same name.
Register (free) with the GRO then use the info from freebmd
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Following this as I was about to post the 1901 census, but keyboard beat me to it! Boot and Book could easily be mistaken on transcribing. When did he die - if it was after 1939, it might be worth checking the 1939 register to see what that says.