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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: amberly on Tuesday 03 January 17 02:21 GMT (UK)
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I believe Thomas was b in 1791 in Kelsal but who were his parents?? I've trawled numerous trees on Anc & quite a few put Thomas b 1760 married to Ruth? No-one appears to have had any success & that includes me on finding this marriage.
Then William Whitley & Elizabeth Burroughs appear to be Mary Whitley's parents & I've found their marriage in 1790 with her father as Robert. Cannot find her birth or anything else on these Burroughs.
I've tried FindMyPast, Anc & Family Search, any other ideas please??
Thanks to anyone who replies.
Amberly.
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1851 Census has Thomas Boswell born c 1779 Kelsall under Thomas BOWELL
1861 he is born c born c 1779.
Mary is 10 years younger in both census born c 1789
Burial;
Thomas BOSWELL
birth: 1779
burial: 12 November 1861 Witton-cum-Twambrooks, Cheshire, England
residence: 12 November 1861 Witton
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Thank you Trish for your reply but it's his father Thomas & wife Ruth ? that I'm looking for & even further back but no such luck.
Amberly
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On the marriage entry the groom's surname looks more like BARSWELL. It sounds like there could be a lot of variants for this name. Can you substantiate the surname from any other documents?
odessa.
The Boswell that was buried 12 NOV 1861 at Witton, his parents were Thomas & Rachel Boswell of Kelsall.
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Thank you Odessa for replying so promptly. I know for sure that the name is Boswell & I did find his burial info saying his parents were Thomas & Rachel. However because Thomas & Mary had so many children, my gt x2 grandmother was their 9th child, there are many trees on Anc & just no-one has got any further than Thomas & Ruth ? All copying from one another I suspect??!! And I did wonder if Rachel was her correct name & not Ruth, but I still haven't found a marriage for them to find her surname. I'm trying to go further back, with the Whitley's too, but can't get any further with the Burroughs.
Thanks very much for your help.
Amberly.
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It's possible that Thomas and Rachel Boswell were buried at Tarvin - if you haven't already seen this.
Were any of Thomas & Mary's children baptised at St Helen's, Witton?
odessa.
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I had seen Rachel bur in 1803 of Kelsal in Tarvin but hadn't found Thomas' burial but have looked now you've pointed it out, & found him bur in 1825 of Kelsal in Tarvin aged 79 & that seems to fit the bill.
Unfortunately it doesn't say how old Rachel was when she died.
I still cannot find their marriage anywhere even by giving his name & her name as Rachel & not putting in anywhere in the UK, also cannot find any children other than luckily finding Thomas's death giving his parents, which is unusual when you die aged 79!
So without her surname I can't look up her birth.
I must say I don't find Cheshire BM & D's very easy to search. I really haven't had anything like this much trouble for Shropshire & Montgomeryshire where other rellies in this family have come from!
Thanks again for your help. If you have any other ideas please let me know, I do appreciate it.
Amberly
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The reason I posted all that info is that you had Thomas Boswell born c 1791.
Census and Burial has him much older.
Just wanted to post correct dob for others who may have access to records I dont.
Trish :)
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Thanks Trish for clarifying that. He was in fact b 1779. Mea culpa!
Amberly.
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Odessa,
I forgot to comment on whether any of Thomas & Mary's children were bap at St Helen's, Witton & I went through them all again last night & none were. Also I found Alice the 12th one wasn't theirs but their son William's & his wife. William was 21 by the time Alice was born.
Thanks, Amberly
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A Thomas Betwesell son of Thomas & Rachel of Kelsall was baptised 30 AUG 1780 at Tarvin.
You can see it on Familysearch and/or if you use any of the other subscription search sites. FindMyPast will give you the original entry.
Hope this helps,
odessa.
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Amberly,
There's a marriage that may be worth considering, again at Tarvin, 25 APR 1773 Thomas Betwizel to Rachel Firat/Sirat.
There's also baptisms for 2 more children to this couple. I wonder if the name has corrupted over several generations, as it appears that neither the bride or groom could sign their names. My thoughts that Betwizel, could have been the more familiar Birtwisle, well known in Cheshire, and I believe could quite easily have been corrupted into Boswell - but that's for you to ponder.
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Odessa,
Thank you so much for these 2 replies. It's certainly given me food for thought here on the spelling of both the surnames. I've looked very closely at her surname & it could be an S or an F. I looked at the letter F for the name Frodsham on the following page & it certainly could have been an F.
I haven't had time to do any more as the phone keeps ringing, so after lunch I shall come back to it all.
You'll hear from me eventually, & thanks again.
Amberly
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Well, Odessa, I'm slowly but surely coming to the conclusion that these are my rellies!
I found 5 children in all & then proceeded to look up those surnames with their weird spellings in Cheshire & could find no more! Then I looked up all the kids with the surnames I'd found for marriages. Nothing! Then I started on marriages & called them all Birtwisle, no luck! Then I tried them all with Boswell surnames & found marriages for all. Bingo! I'm still not 100% sure but it seems pretty likely that they are mine!
Now as for Rachel I can find nothing for Sirat or Firat but there are loads of Sarrat & Sarrett, & Ferret & Fearrett but NO Rachels. She's a mystery. But I have the same problem with my gt x 5 paternal grandmother. We've come to a brick wall with her name & can go no further.
This family tree stuff can get pretty frustrating!
Anyway I don't really think I can go any further with this lot!
Thanks for all your help. Amberly.
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Hi again,
on further pondering I do wonder if he married a Ruth or a Rachel as none of their offspring or descendants ever used either name for their children, which is odd I think??? Not sure whether I'll actually add them to the tree or not??!!
Anyway thanks very much for your help.
Amberly.