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Title: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Margaret58 on Sunday 01 January 17 02:55 GMT (UK)
Happy New Year Everyone
Can some kind person help? looking for my great grandfather left New Zealand June 1911 on board the ship 'Maitai' from Wellington, New Zealand to Los Angeles, California arrived July 1911.
His Occupation was either a Train Diver or Train Engineer.
I found a marriage (ancestry.com) for him to Alice Hagey or (Kagey) 17 March 1914 (birth Place and parents match) Vancouver, Clarke, Washington, USA.
In a newspaper back in New Zealand was a notice of his death Feb 1920 could have been California or Washington.
Thank you
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: sbny357 on Sunday 01 January 17 04:15 GMT (UK)
Here is his death record in Seattle, Washington:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3GZ-ZYQ

And here he is in the 1920 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHNR-XD4

Steve
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 01 January 17 04:16 GMT (UK)
Marriage: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j6d/

1920 census (taken 7 Jan.) : https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MHNR-XD4

Death: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3GZ-ZYQ
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 01 January 17 15:34 GMT (UK)
There was a line mention for him  in the death notices for Seattle. The address matches that of the 1920 census.

Seattle Daily Times
Seattle, Washington
Friday, February 27, 1920

     Deaths
Charles A. Barnes, 60, 271 17th Ave.
February 24.

Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 01 January 17 16:00 GMT (UK)
Can some kind person help? looking for my great grandfather left New Zealand June 1911 on board the ship 'Maitai' from Wellington, New Zealand to Los Angeles, California arrived July 1911.
His Occupation was either a Train Diver or Train Engineer.

Records indicate he arrived in San Francisco 21 July 1911. His destination is listed as San Francisco with no contact there given. Occupation engine driver.

Passenger list (line 15) pt.1 : http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j6g/

Passenger list (line 15) pt.2: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j6h/

Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Margaret58 on Monday 02 January 17 00:45 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for the information, so grateful, it looks as though this Charles Alfred Barnes could
be my great grandfather.
On the death information on familysearch it has his father as Albert (his father Henry Barnes and mother Mary Hammond) only as good as information given I guess.
The wife Alice Hagey or Kagey not able to find a birth for her in Iowa or her first marriage, her parents being Archer M. Browning and Martha Ann Griffin can anyone help please.
Thank you
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: sbny357 on Monday 02 January 17 03:03 GMT (UK)
Here is Archer and Martha's marriage:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XJ4R-V9V

And based on that, this looks like the family in the 1870 census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDKM-GFL

I think "Grace" in the 1870 census may be the same person as "Alice", based on Alice's age in 1920.

The only birth record for that time frame is likely to be a church baptism record.  You may want to see if there is a local genealogical or historical society for Van Buren County that can help.

And by 1880, the family had moved to California:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6PJ-V3G

Interestingly, there is both an Alice and a Grace in this family, but Grace fits better in terms of age.  Probably needs more research to sort this out.

Steve
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Margaret58 on Monday 02 January 17 23:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Steve
Thank you for your suggestions.
Regards
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Lisa in California on Thursday 05 January 17 04:38 GMT (UK)
A possibility?
Passenger list, departed Sydney, NZ and Papeete, arriving San Francisco CA 11 July 1913
Charles Barnes, age 49 years 9 months; Meat Curer; Citizen of U.S.A; 3 pieces of baggage; born England; intended destination: Vancouver.
    Could he have returned to New Zealand in 1913 for a visit?

Is this of any help?
Northern Pacific Railway Company
Personnel file
King St Station (Division or Department)
Seattle February 24, 1920
Chas Alfred Barnes, (occupation) Sta. Engr, Seattle
Reason for discharge, resigned, etc.: Died
Date effective: February 24, 1920
Date entered service: December 16, 1918
Reason for resignation or discharge and character of service: Died; Services satisfactory
Signed by ?; Supt Passgr Terminals (his title); King Street Passgr (station)

Employment Application - December 16, 1918
Charles "Affred" Barnes
Employment desired: Fireman
Nationality: English
Born: London England  July 1868  Married
Wife: Alice Barnes, 2803 1/2 Jackson Street
Parents (his) were deceased
Nearest relative: New "Zeland" Dune? (ink blot after Dune)
Alio? Mary Wright?    Henery? Barnes
Does not drink alcohol; no ailments; never suffered physical injury; never previously employed with the company
Mr. Barnes was 5'9"; 156 (weight); dark hair; brown eyes
The officer "engaging applicant" desired to employ the candidate as Staty Eng at King Street Station.
Effective 12-12-18, $115.00 rate of pay

Next page
"How and Where Previously Occupied"
Sep 1916 - Oct 1917, Fireman, Seattle - Resigned
  Under whom employed: Todd Dry (name), Dock (title) Seattle (location)
Oct 1917 - Nov 1918, Fireman, Seattle - Resigned?
  Under whom employed: Seattle (name), Light? (title) Seattle (location)
No dates for the following:
Roy C Slocom, Union Meat Co., Portland, Ore
Walter Riddle, Dunedin, NZ

Could the 1913 have been your Mr. Barnes, since he did apparently work for a meat company at one time?

PS  There are images of the King Street Station on the internet, in case you are interested.
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Margaret58 on Thursday 05 January 17 21:08 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much Lisa, that is just great you have found out all that info.
He could have come back to NZ, my grandmother never knew her father, she grew up in an orphanage and was told both her parents had died, she was told that her father was an engine driver.
Charles Barnes was born London, England 1859 his parents were Henry Barnes & Mary Hammond they arrived in New Zealand 1865. He also had brothers Henry, John & Frank and a sister Alice Mary married to David Wright. The names are all relevant his brothers and his father also were Railway workers.
Alice Hagey (nee Browning) not able to find her first marriage or her death maybe she married again after Charles.
Lots of questions and lots more research to do.
Thank you again
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Margaret58 on Friday 06 January 17 23:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Lisa
Can you please tell me the name of the Ship, that Charles Barnes went back to San Francisco CA
in July 1913.
Thank you
Ragrds
Marg
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Lisa in California on Saturday 07 January 17 19:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Marg:

Sorry for not including the ship's name; I usually do include it.

It was the (R.M.S.) Aorangi.
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Margaret58 on Sunday 08 January 17 01:26 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that Lisa appreciate it.
Regards
Marg  :)
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: seaweed on Sunday 08 January 17 12:08 GMT (UK)
There were two vessels with the name AORANGI around in 1913. Without doubt the one of concern is the ship with official number 76068. She was registered in Dunedin NZ in 1913. Started life as a steamship and later converted to a motor vessel.
Details and a couple of pic's here.
http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=6257
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Margaret58 on Monday 09 January 17 02:18 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your information about the "Aorangi".
Regards
Marg ; :)
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Lisa in California on Monday 09 January 17 04:21 GMT (UK)
Note:  When looking for one of my ancestors, a distant relative told me that our common Irish ancestor had been married three times.  Thinking about how we have not yet found marriage records for your people, I'm wondering if "Alice" could have actually been married twice before marrying Mr. Barnes and could she have been "forgetful" about her true age and the fact that she had only been married once prior to her marriage to Charles Barnes).

I've been trying to figure out if it was Grace or Alice who married Mr. Barnes.  I cannot yet eliminate either one as not marrying him.  Have you tried to trace both girls' lives (who they both may have married and stayed with until death)?  Unfortunately, Browning isn't an unusual name, so research is proving to be difficult.

I may be very incorrect, but I'm leaning toward Alice (possibly Alice Virginia?), who was the older sister, being the one who married a man named Henry/Harry Abbate in 1883 and eventually possibly marrying Charles Barnes.  While an Alice V Browning DID marry a man named Henry Abbate in Multnomah County, Oregon, there is nothing (yet) to show that she was your Alice.

In 1883 (if I have the correct family), Alice is not living with the Brownings.

An Alice V Browning is in the 1900 Seattle, Washington Directory, shown as "wid Harry", milliner, res 614 1/2 2d av.  I have not yet found this lady anywhere else.  Could she have married a Mr. H/Kagey after her marriage to Mr. Abbate?

I did look at a Henry Abbate's movements and if this man was the same as above, he eventually remarried.  Briefly (I've not double-checked the facts):
Henry/Harry Abbate was born cJune 1855 Palermo, Italy.  He joined the U.S. Army, twice I believe, the second time enlisting in San Francisco in 1877 - he was discharged January 5, 1882.  Later in life, he was a barber.  The 1900 San Francisco census states that he had been married for five years; his wife was Katie who was born in Denmark.  He was living in Grass Valley, California during the 1920 census.

I have not yet been able to determine if the man that Alice V. Browning married was the same man as above.  If so, she could have told people in 1900 that she was widowed.   :-\

But, perhaps you've already researched Mr. Abbate?

Note:  I've been trying to sum up the facts while family members have been talking - I hope the above makes sense.  :-[
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Lisa in California on Monday 09 January 17 04:33 GMT (UK)
A Grace Browning married a George Cothrel(l) in 1890 in Multnomah County Oregon.  I found a brief mention of her death in 1900, stating she was age 31.  However, her headstone shows the birth date of 25-November-1879, so she couldn't be your Grace.
http://oregonnews.uoregon.edu/lccn/sn83025138/1900-05-30/ed-1/seq-10/ocr/
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=35495888&PIpi=42363688
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Lisa in California on Monday 09 January 17 05:12 GMT (UK)
In case you don't have this information:
1918 Seattle, WA Directory
Chas A (Alice V) Barnes, eng  h AA-2803 1/2 Jackson
Title: Re: Charles Alfred Barnes
Post by: Margaret58 on Monday 09 January 17 10:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Lisa
Your wonderful  :) for researching all this information for Alice Browning & Charles Barnes.
It will give me somewhere to start when I go to the family history centre.
Alice's occupation was a Milliner
Thank you again :)
Marg