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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: pipsqeak on Saturday 31 December 16 21:34 GMT (UK)
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hello, I'm looking for members of the robb family of new deer aberdeenshire, the father was George robb, a Taylor. and Marjorie was the youngest daughter of 13 I think. Majorie married Thomas bassett and lived in north wales, I'd love to know if there are cousins about the area or elsewhere to my mum margaret, Marjorie's daughter.
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Hi pipsqeak
Welcome to RootsChat :)
This looks like the family in 1901:
Geo Robb
Elsie Robb 48 tailor's wife
Helen Robb 19
James Robb 13
Margrett Robb 10
John Robb 8
Francis Robb 6
Majory Robb 3
Wm White Robb 2
Allan Robb 2 months
Address: Netherton Greens, Millbrex, Monquiter Aberdeenshire
The transcript is not complete and can't easily find this family in 1891 so far to help further. You could check the original image on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Monica
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Likely this entry for them in 1881:
George Robb 32 Tailor (Journeyman) b. Rathen, Aberdeenshire
Elspet Robb 25 b. Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire
Barbara Jane Robb 3
George Robb 2
Helen Robb 10 Months
Address: Blackhouse, Methlick
I think Elspet/Elsie has the maiden name of Johnston.
Monica
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Thankyou very much Monica and for the welcome, Marjory robb is my grandmother, how might I find mum's cousins if they are still living? I will try scotlands people, also I think there is an aberdeenshire family tree search for a fee. my grandmother moved to north wales when she married so it would be nice for mum to trace cousins back in aberdeenshire or elsewhere, some are in Canada I think. thankyou pipsqueak.
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Hi pipsqeak
There are a number of family trees on Ancestry for this line. These are normally put on by connected family so you could well find some connected descendants that way. You need a subscription to Ancestry to be able to view them. If you don't, you can likely access through your local library if they have the library edition of Ancestry.
There is also this old post on another forum by someone connected to Margaret, sister to Marjorie http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/ABERDEEN/2002-06/1023409331
Monica :)
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thankyou Monica, and for the link to Majorie's sister margaret, her family.
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Hi,
My name is Andrew Robb. I have a wooden coat hanger with the name "George Robb, gold and silver medalist Tailor, The Causeway Teddington" stamped on it.
My Father was James Robb of Auchnagatt Aberdeenshire.
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Hi Andy, welcome to rootschat. Is George your grandfather? What an intriguing item! I wonder if there's a way of finding out more about the medals?
regards,
flst
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hello andy,
my robb family lived in new deer, aberdeenshire, george and elsie,
george was a taylor, there were 13 children i think, and the youngest
marjorie my grandmother. one of her siblings was called james,
so may i ask if you might be related to that family, maybe through
him, or the next generation?
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I have looked at a newspaper index (I no longer have a subscription to allow me to see the full articles) and there are several references to George Robb as a tailor in Teddington. They cover at least 1903 -1908. One from the Surrey Comet of 10-10-1903 refers to him winning 1st prize and a gold medal for (as it would appear from what the index shows) a "frock coat class 1 for competitor's own use".
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hello andy, that’s interesting thankyou, i think my great grandfather, george robb stayed in new deer
as my grandmother was there as a young child around the dates you mention, unless it was
temporary in surrey.
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The following people are buried in grave 1050 of section D of New Deer cemetery:
- Christian Mary Robb, Slacks, Cairnbanno, buried 18-7-1895, d. aged 7 days
- George Robb, Maryhill, Greens, buried 29-1-1900, d. aged 1 day
- Allan Robb, 20 high Street, New Deer, buried 14-4-1902, d. aged 14 months
- Elspit Johnston or Robb, Gladston (sic) Terrace, New Deer, buried 16-8-1931, d. aged 77
- George Robb, retired tailor, Kirkbrae Terrace, New Deer, buried 30-7-1932, d. aged 85
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Hello all and thanks for the feedback, my Father James passed a couple of years ago and I've been trying to piece through the many documents I have. James Robb did not know his father and was raised by his grandmother for many years before returning to his mother Mabel at Milton of Inkhorn Auchnagatt.
Mabel later married Alexander Parley and they, my father, his step sister and half brother moved to Australia in 1950. My mother Sheila Leslie moved from Aberdeen two years later in 1952 to join him.
I have the following original certificates here in Australia;
John Robb born in 1871 of Alexander Robb (sailor) and Jane Robb
John Alexander Robb born 1904 of John Robb (carpenter) and Christian Forbes Robb nee Gall
Christian Forbes Gall born 1866 of John Gall (mason) and Mary Robb his wife (???)
My father James Robb born 1928 of Mabel Mary Jane Robb (farmers daughter) no father listed.
I also have the marriage certificate of John Robb (joiner) to Christian Forbes Gall in 1903.
I believe Christian was my Fathers grandmother and John (1904) would be Mabel's brother. It's also odd that her parents are listed as father Gall and mother Robb before Christian married into Robb? John Gall and Mary Robb are also listed on Christains marriage certificate as parents. As to the identity of my dads father the trail leads somewhere around Auchnagatt or Ellon.
I would love to hear if you know of these names I've listed and what your understanding might be.
Regards Andy Robb
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Hi Andy, for brief moment I wondered if your mother could have been a Sheila Leslie who is in my tree, but the dates don't fit.
One missing piece of your information above is the parentage of Mabel Mary Jane Robb. If you don't have her birth certificate you can download a copy of it at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
I see that she was born in Aberdeen St Machar in 1905. I also see that the 1911 census index lists in St Machar John Robb, 40; Christian Robb, 44; John Alex Robb, 6; and Mabel M J Robb, 5.
There is nothing remarkable about Christian Forbes Gall's mother's maiden surname. Robb is a fairly common surname and there is no reason why John Gall's daughter should not have married a man with the same surname as her mother. They could even have been related before they married.
John Gall and Mary Robb had at least 8 children
Mary Johnston, born 23 December 1864, Aberdeen St Nicholas
Christian Forbes, born 26 November 1866, Aberdeen St Nicholas
John, born 26 November 1866, Aberdeen St Nicholas
Isabella, born 30 May 1869, Aberdeen Old Machar
Margaret, born 1871, Aberdeen Old Machar
Sarah Ann, born 1873, Aberdeen Old Machar
Robert Robb, born 1877, Aberdeen Old Machar
James, born 1880, Aberdeen Old Machar
and there could have been more children born after the 1881 census
The family are in the 1881 census at 2 Westfield Place, Aberdeen
John GALL M 43 M Kennethmont, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Master Mason Employing 6 Men
Mary GALL 46 F Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John GALL 14 M Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Errand Boy (Seedsman)
Christian F GALL 14 F Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Margaret GALL 9 F Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Sarah A GALL 7 F Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Robert R GALL 4 M Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
James GALL 5 m M Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
So both John Gall and his wife Mary Robb were from rural parts of Aberdeenshire. The 'community contributed' section of the IGI at www.familysearch.org says they were married at Kinnethmont on 18 June 1864. However this not not a trustworthy source so any information from it must be verified from documentary evidence. (The 'community indexed' section is much more reliable)
Presumably you have the names of the parents of John Robb b 1871 from his marriage certificate. How, exactly, does it list his mother's name? Is she simply 'Jane Robb' or is she 'Jane Robb M S Robb' or is she 'Jane Robb M S ....' with another surname where I have put the dots?
I see that John Robb and Jane Robb, maiden surname Robb, were married at Kildrummy on 24 July 1864 and had at least ten children
James, born 17 June 1864
John, born 24 February 1866
Alexander, born 19 October 1867
Jane Helen, born 24 October 1868
Ann, born 20 May 1872
Francis Frederick, born 15 October 1873
David, born 1875
William, born 1876
Harry, born 1878
Helen, born 1880
This family is in the 1881 census at Kildrummy Cottage, Kildrummy
John ROBB M 42 M Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Gamekeeper
Jane ROBB M 38 F Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife
John ROBB U 15 M Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Gamekeepers Son
Jane ROBB 12 F Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Ann ROBB 9 F Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
Francis F ROBB 8 M Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
David ROBB 6 M Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
William ROBB 4 M Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Harry ROBB 2 M Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Helen ROBB 10 m F Kildrummy, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
and there could have been more children born after the 1881 census
You will have noted that this John Robb, son of John Robb and Jane Robb, was born in 1866, not 1871, so he does not quite fit as your John Robb, son of John Robb, sailor.
I am also puzzled why John Robb, a man who at the age of 40 had been a carpenter and had apparently lived all his life in the city of Aberdeen, should by 1928 have become a farmer in Auchnagatt, an area where he does not appear to have had any close connections.
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On a different tack.
1901 census, 108 Grantham Road, Lambeth, Surrey
George Robb, 31, tailor's manager, born Aberdeenshire
Helen D S Robb, wife, 33, born Aberdeenshire
Helena J H Robb, daughter, 2, born London
George Robb, 7 months, born London
1911 Census
George Robb, 41, Ladies and Gents' tailor, born New Pitsligo, Aberdeenshire
Helen Drummond Robb, 43, born Insch, Aberdeenshire
Helena Jane Henderson Robb, 12
George Alexander Robb, 11
Joan Robb, 7
Margaret Agnes Robb, 5
The GRO web site lists the births of 4 Robb children, mother's maiden surname Sangster, registered in Lambeth
Helena Jane Henderson, 1898, March quarter
George Alexander, 1900, September quarter
Joan, 1904, June quarter
Margaret Agnes, 1905, September quarter
George Robb and Helen Drummond Sangster were married in Inverurie in 1897. Get a copy of that marriage certificate from www.scotlandspeople and it will tell you the full names of both George's and Helen's parents including their mothers' maiden surnames.
Now, some speculation.
George Robb is probably the one born in New Pitsligo on 28 May 1869, parents Alexander Robb and Jane Sheriffs. New Pitsligo is in the parish of Tyrie, and in 1881 there's a family there at 44 High Street
Alexander ROBB M 44 M New Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Clothier & Tailor
Jane S ROBB M 41 F Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Alexander ROBB 15 M Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Apprentice Tailor
George ROBB 11 M Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Mary Jane ROBB 7 F Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
John ROBB 9 M Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
William ROBB 5 M Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth S. ROBB 3 F Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Andrew ROBB 1 M Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
So I am fairly confident that 11-year-old George in this census is the one who became the prizewinning tailor. The 1879 marriage certificate will confirm or refute that.
Mary Robb, daughter of Robert Robb and Mary Johnston, was born in New Deer on 29 October 1834. Noting that John Gall and Mary Robb named their first daughter Mary Johnston and their second son Robert Robb, there can be no doubt that this is the wife of John Gall.
Note, now, that Alexander Robb, husband of Jane Sheriffs and probable father of George the tailor, was aged 44 and born in .... New Deer.
Alexander Robb, son of Robert Robb and Mary Johnston, was born in New Deer on 17 March 1837.
If I am correct, then Mary Robb, wife of John Gall, mother of Christian Forbes Gall and grandmother of Mabel Mary Jane Robb, was the sister of Alexander Robb, husband of Jane Sheriffs and father of George Robb the prizewinning tailor.
You will need to get some original certificates to confirm all this, of course.
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Another thought. If your 'sailor' is a misreading of 'tailor', and Jane Robb, mother of John Robb, was Jane Robb M S Sheriffs, then that would tie the whole lot together more than just neatly.
I was so curious that I couldn't resist taking a look at the marriage certificate of John Robb and Christian Gall. Extract attached.
John Robb's parents were Alexander Robb, farmer, and Jane Robb, maiden surname Shirreffs. It even notes that John and Christian were cousins german, i.e. first cousins, because John's father and Christian's mother were brother and sister.
It also makes more plausible John and Christian's move out of the city to take up farming at Auchnagatt.
And George the tailor was their sibling, and therefore Mabel Mary Jane's uncle.
And the Kildrummy family are a red herring.
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John Gall & Mary Robb married 18th June 1864 in Old Deer. In 1861 John was living at 30 Gerrard Street, Aberdeen. Also boarding there was a 16 year old Robert Gall, apprentice draper,also born in Kennethmont, probably his brother?
I have found the Galls in 1871. No wonder it was difficult to find them! John is down as Thorn Gale :). I have put in a correction note on Ancestry. They are at 14 Charles Street, Old Machar, Aberdeen. John, 33, Mary,36, Mary, 6, John & Christian, 4, & Isabella, aged 1. A couple James & Sarah Fraser are boarding there too.
In 1891 they are at 139 Leadside Road, Aberdeen. John, Mary, John & Christian, Sarah, & Robert 14, & James 10. Hope this helps,
flst
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hello GR2, thankyou, elspeth and george robb are i think my great grandparents, ive an address, kirkbrae and some dates that match the burial details you presented. their daughter marjorie was my dear grandmother.
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John Gall & Mary Robb married 18th June 1864 in Old Deer.
For some reason, it is now appearing on the SP index, which it wouldn't do this morning!
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pipsqeak,do you have a photo of their headstone? I could have a look around & see if i can find it, as I am a local :)
flst
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George Robb 32 Tailor (Journeyman) b. Rathen, Aberdeenshire
Elspet Robb 25 b. Monquhitter, Aberdeenshire
Barbara Jane Robb 3
George Robb 2
Helen Robb 10 Months
There's a George Robb, born Rathen 8 May 1847, parents James Robb and Christian Scott. On the other hand there's no Christian with them in either 1881 or 1901.
George Robb and Elspet Johnston were married in Aberdeen St Nicholas in 1876. It would be worth a look at that marriage certificate to see who their parents were.
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The Robbs are at Salterhills, Rathen in 1851. James Robb married again on 18th July 1857, Rathen, to Isabella Williamson.He was the son of James Robb & Grace Johnston. James senior(born circa 1780) can be found in 1841 & 1851 censuses in Rathen.In 1861 James & Isabella are at Middle Hythie. George can be found in the 1871 census as a boarder in New Street, Kintore. He is a tailor journeyman.
flst
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The Robbs are at Salterhills, Rathen in 1851.
Dare I ask which ones? James Robb and Christian Scott's family?
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Forfarian, yes, that's why I commented on James' second marriage. It explains why you couldn't find Christian on any later censuses. George is with his Dad & stepmother in 1861.
flst
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Forfarian, yes, that's why I commented on James' second marriage. It explains why you couldn't find Christian on any later censuses. George is with his Dad & stepmother in 1861.
Not me - I haven't been looking for him on any other census. I did wonder if it might be possible to tie this George Robb to the other one, but so far any link has eluded me.
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"On the other hand there's no Christian with them in either 1881 or 1901. "
That's what I meant, Christian had died before the 1861 census :) I too had hoped to find a link but none so far.
flst
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"On the other hand there's no Christian with them in either 1881 or 1901. "
That's what I meant, Christian had died before the 1861 census :) I too had hoped to find a link but none so far.
My mistake. What I meant was that there was no sign of a grandchild named Christian in 1881 or 1901.
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hello forfarian, i’ve the marriage entry for george robb and elspet johnston, my great grandparents from new deer and married in 1876, his parents were james robb and christian robb, hers were james johnston amd anne johnston. p.
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flst, yes, i’d like a photo of the headstone for george robb, new deer, thankyou very much and if not too much trouble. p. .
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hello, i’d very much like to find any living descendants of george and elspeth robb (my great grandparents), of new deer, aberdeenshire, they were married in 1876
their children were:
barbara
isabella
helen
elsie/ elspet
henry
james
maggie ann
john
francis
marjorie (my grandmother)
allan
i’d like to find the next generation who may be living, or the next still, as they would be cousins etc to my mother.
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hello andy j robb, may i ask you if you are related to george and elspeth robb of new deer, my great grandparents through your father james?
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pipsqueak, we haven't got far enough back to know that.
We are fairly sure that Andy's family goes back to Robert Robb and Mary Johnston, but he needs to confirm that by getting some certificates. Robert and Mary were married in New Deer in 1832. In the 1851 the family are at Backhill of Bulwark, Old Deer, headed by Robert, head, married, 46, born Old Deer. In 1861 he was 55. so he must have been born between 1804 and 1806. He died in Old Deer in 1896, and his parents were John Robb and Mary Birnie, who were married in Old Deer in 1791.
Yours goes back to James Robb and Grace Johnston. They were married in Lonmay in 1812. In 1851 the family are at Fernibrae, Rathen, headed by James, head, widower, age 74, born Rathen. So if the census is accurate James was born in 1776/1777.
And there the trails begin to go cold.
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Here is a copy of a death announcement which will be of interest to you Andy!
flst
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The entry in the burial register for Old Deer, which gives the burial location in relation to other graves, reads:
28th February Robert Robb from
Bulwark Old Deer Laid under
Andrew Birnie L. S. near Rettie
Pundereraft Enclosure
I wonder if "Pundereraft" = Pundlercroft?
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I'll have a look there sometime & see if I can find a headstone for Robert!
flst
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Now, some speculation.
George Robb is probably the one born in New Pitsligo on 28 May 1869, parents Alexander Robb and Jane Sheriffs. New Pitsligo is in the parish of Tyrie, and in 1881 there's a family there at 44 High Street
Alexander ROBB M 44 M New Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Clothier & Tailor
Jane S ROBB M 41 F Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Wife
Alexander ROBB 15 M Old Deer, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Apprentice Tailor
George ROBB 11 M Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Mary Jane ROBB 7 F Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Scholar
John ROBB 9 M Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
William ROBB 5 M Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
Occ: Scholar
Elizabeth S. ROBB 3 F Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Andrew ROBB 1 M Tyrie, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Son
While we're speculating.....
My great-grandmother was Joan Robb Ogston, born in New Pitsligo in 1873. Given the Scots "tradition", for want of a better word, of giving an illegitimate child their father's surname as a middle name, is it possible that Alexander Robb senior in the list above was her father?
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James Robb, b. 1814 is my 3x grandfather, and his daughter Helen Robb b.1841, my 2x Grandmother. The family was farming in Kidrummy, in 1861. Helen Robb married George Duffus. I live in Canada.