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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Ray T on Wednesday 21 December 16 11:15 GMT (UK)
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The widowed Martha Hallworth (Nee. Hallam) appears on the 1841, 1851 and 1861 living at "Cow Hay Wood", Poynton. The question is where is/was Cow Hay Wood?
Adjacent entries include "Park Pit", "Cawley Wood Lodge", "Norbury Hollow" and "Anglesea Lodge" - which lies at the north end of Poynton pool.
This - http://maps.nls.uk/view/114582049 (http://maps.nls.uk/view/114582049) - is about the earliest useful map of the area with a wider view here - http://maps.nls.uk/view/101598358 (http://maps.nls.uk/view/101598358)
Any ideas? Thanks
Ray
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Still known as Cow Hay Wood at the end of World War 1. The Poynton War Memorial has a reference to George Platt; Son of Alice Warburton, Cow Hay Wood, Poynton. Buried in Mendinghem Military Cemetery, Poperinge, Belgium.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remember them.
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In 1911 a Harvey Bennett was living at 36 Cowhey Wood, next to Alice Platt and the enumerator has put the postal address as Carrwood, Poynton. You can see Carrwood on the 1909 map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/393112/385402/12/101234 or http://maps.nls.uk/view/101598358#zoom=4&lat=4505&lon=1152&layers=BT
Stan
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Thanks Stan & ScobieDrom - Carrwood gets an honourable mention of its own in various censuses (censi) but its still difficult to appreciate where Cow Hay Wood might have been. There is no "row of houses" anywhere that fit the bill.
In 1861 Martha was living at No.1 and on the 1911 there are people living at numbers up in the 30s.
I don't suppose we'll ever find out - unless there's an archaeological report in connection with the ring road extension they're currently driving across the site!
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There was not a row of houses in Cow Hey Wood, Carrwood in 1911, there were only five houses, numbers 36-40.
They were enumerated between Woodside and Park Pit. You can see Park Pit south of Carrwood on the map at http://maps.nls.uk/view/101598358#zoom=3&lat=3834&lon=2145&layers=BT
Stan
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I stand corrected. Must admit I didn't look through them all. Why would they start at No.1 on the 1860s and at No.36 in 1911!
....and there doesn't appear to be an archaeological assessment for the road. The old mill was done umpteen years ago.
Thanks
R
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Using this map
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=53.3553&lon=-2.1166&layers=6&right=BingHyb
plus the 1911 Summary book for the area - look for Alice Platt, then you can hazard a guess at the location for Cow Hay Wood (the Enumerator's page actually says Cawley Wood ;) ). Again using the 1861 Enumerator's page for the area, you can have a good guess as to the location. Park Pit, Anglesea, Poynton Hall, Shirt Factory, The Towers, Cawley Lodge give a good pointer as to location.
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Both Cow Hay and Cawley appear on earlier censuses. I know the area reasonably well - used to wander round it as a teenager. Its clear that Cow Hay Wood is somewhere around the properties listed and which can be identified but t does seem strange that a row of several cottages which were there for many years seem to have disappeared from the map.
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There are only six properties listed in Cowhay Wood in the 1841, 1851, 1861,1871 census.
In 1871 the houses are called Carr Wood Samuel Platt lives there, also in 1881, where it is called called Cow Hay Wood, at number 38. There are still only six houses, numbered 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41.
You can see the six back to back houses in Carrwood on the 1874-1875 map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/393112/385402/12/100093 They are still shown on the 1936 O.S. map
Stan
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Cow Hey Wood was, as mentioned earlier, just a small cluster of cottages that disappeared by the 1950s. There are still some people living locally who were brought up there. I have attaches a few images of the site.
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Great photos, thanks. Where did you find those? Since my original post, the site has been obliterated by the Manchester Airport Eastern Link Road.
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The top image is a postcard and the other two I have added to my collection of Poynton images over t the years. The site has not been obliterated by the new road as it lies to the south of the river and the road is to the north. The foundations of the buildings lie just beneath the grass in the field.
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Hello all
The map below is from Bryant's 1831 map of Cheshire and shows Cow Hay Wood.
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Maybe of interest ... another view of the same area, but in 1819. (Greenwood's map of Cheshire.)
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The top image is a postcard and the other two I have added to my collection of Poynton images over t the years. The site has not been obliterated by the new road as it lies to the south of the river and the road is to the north. The foundations of the buildings lie just beneath the grass in the field.
Yes, you’re right. It runs from just south of the old sausage factory and comes out just north of Brookside garden centre - across the site of the old “Hazel Grove Airport”!
The photos must, by definition, be post 1850 and the only appropriate buildings I can see on a post 1850 map are identified as Carrwood. What do you think?
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Yes, Carrwood is the same place. You can see the cottages there on the OS maps.
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Yes, I can relate the three buildings to those at Carrwood. It looks like the building on the far right of the second photograph was part of the Norbury Mill complex.
If the 1831 Bryant’s map is to be believed, the cottages were in the “Park” rather than Cow Hay Wood itself.
The problem is that exact place names didn’t tend to become established until after the first generation of Ordnance Survey surveyors had completed their task. In order to establish what something was called, they simply asked one of the locals so it depended who they asked; and it subsequently tended to stick.
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Taking this further and changing the subject slightly, I notice on the maps posted by Ramsin, that a “House of Correction” is illustrated to the east of Cow Hey Wood.
I must admit that I’ve never seen reference to this before (what exactly was a “house of correction”?). The name is perpetuated on the early OS maps as “Correction Farm” and the name persists today as part of Middlewood Road is still known as Correction Brow.
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There are probably other more authoritative sites, but Wikipedia's description of a House of Correction may be a useful place to start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_correction