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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Nova67 on Monday 19 December 16 04:32 GMT (UK)
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Hello friends and researchers in the North East and 8) greetings!
Does anyone have a clue where this place is? On the image it looks like Smythfields?
Birthplace given for a Margaret Jane Drysdale (nee Wood) b. abt 1864. 1901 Census for Togstone.
Thank you.
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Can you tell us what 'do'/'ditto' is in connection with please?
Couldn't find a Smithfield/Smythfield in Northumberland but found reference to one in London?
Annie
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I think that "do" is probably Northumberland Annie. :)
Nova, where do other censuses say she was born?
Added: I can't see anything remotely like it on Genuki. :-\
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Do you have them in 1891 Nova?
I'm not having any luck finding them - I was hoping that James, Margaret and Ellen would be easy to find ..... :-\
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Ruskie,
I'm surprised you haven't found it on a map...you're good with mapping locations :P
Annie
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Ruskie,
I'm surprised you haven't found it on a map...you're good with mapping locations :P
Annie
Aw, thanks Annie. Odd you should mention that - this afternoon I was foraging around on maps looking for the last address of one of my own distant relatives. ;)
I would love to solve this but haven't found any clues as to what this place is meant to be. Maybe a local is needed as it may be a regional dialect issue, and the enumerator wrote what he thought he heard.
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A search of the free index to the 1911 census shows her birthplace as 'Newbiggin Woodhorn Parish'.
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Do you have them in 1891 Nova?
I think they were married in 1893 , so I'm not sure if the 1891 census is going to help. ( 1911 says married 21 years, but pob is Newbiggin ( Woodhorn Parish)
Edit: Sorry, beaten to it ...
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Is her maiden name Wood? James's (5 on 1901) mmn is Wood on Birth Reg.
Added - or (possibly) Renner
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It might an idea to put your question to the Woodhorn Museum and Archives. In the mean time do you have her on any other Censuses?
Emeltom
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I don't see anything of any help on the Northumberland Farm Index :-\
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/WAMDocuments/75CAA247-2EB6-417F-B0C3-2838AE2897AF_1_0.pdf?nccredirect=1
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Found a Margaret j Renner in Newbiggin in 1871 - Jackson Cottages. I don't see a Smithfield in Newbiggin though. It's fairly compact with of terraced houses.
The Margaret J Wood is in Cramlington.
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Did James Drysdale change his name? I've found a suitable marriage:
Robert Drysdale married a Margaret Jane Renner 2 quarter 1890, Morpeth
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Thank you dear people.
Sorry, but my Internet was constantly dropping out, and then I had to go out. I had no chance to reply to the first two messages.
Yes, ditto is Northumberland ;D.
I am trying to work out how I am related to someone in America, based on DNA Matches for my mother and myself on Ancestry and Gedmatch. I am guessing it is probably Northumberland that connects us.
Margaret Jane Wood married James Drysdale in 1893 at Morpeth, Northumberland. Her father is listed as William Wood, deceased. It gives his occupation as Farm Servant. Bride's abode was Chevington. Her age is 31.
Immigrated to the USA in 1903. Age was 40.
I have found potentially found her on earlier census, but knowing where this place is would help! I'll just look it up again.
I was hoping to then get her mother's maiden name via the new GRO search facility. Have had a look. No names ringing a bell! Birth seems to be around 1862/3.
Maybe it is near Choppington? Maybe registered Morpeth???
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A search of the free index to the 1911 census shows her birthplace as 'Newbiggin Woodhorn Parish'.
My apologies, this is quite incorrect ::) This a different Margaret Jane, who is married to a Robert, and they can be found together on the 1901 census. I must remember not to answer enquiries before I've had my morning caffeine infusion.
Back to the correct Margaret ::) I've consulted my copies of 'Goodwife Hot' (Northumberland's Past in its Place Names), and Stan Beckensall's Place and Field Names of Northumberland, and can't find anything that resembles the name given in the 1901 census.
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No worries.
I am wondering now about one born Mousen (Belford) in 1861. She is one month. William Wood is an Ag Lab. Mother is Jane.
1871 says born Bamboro (sic) Bamburgh/Bamborough?
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A search of the free index to the 1911 census shows her birthplace as 'Newbiggin Woodhorn Parish'.
Back to the correct Margaret ::) I've consulted my copies of 'Goodwife Hot' (Northumberland's Past in its Place Names), and Stan Beckensall's Place and Field Names of Northumberland, and can't find anything that resembles the name given in the 1901 census.
Thank you!
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HI, In my opinion it looks like a case of the enumerator hearing what was said incorrectly and it should say Spittal. I think that Spittal could fairly easily be heard as Smithfield in a strong enough accent, I also found this 1911 census;
James Wood Drysdale
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name James Wood Drysdale
Event Type Census
Event Date 1911
County Northumberland
Parish Ashington
Sub-District Ashington
Registration District Morpeth
Gender Male
Age 59
Birthplace Spittal, Northumberland
Record Type Ho Household
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HI, In my opinion it looks like a case of the enumerator hearing what was said incorrectly
The enumerator did not fill in the schedule (except for two sections) it was filled in by or on behalf of the head of the family. It is a common myth that a census enumerator knocked on doors and asked who was present, and then wrote down the details, often miss-hearing, or miss-spelling. When the enumerator collected the schedules all he had to do was to to examine the schedule in order to satisfy himself that it had been correctly and completely filled up.
Stan
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The family went to the USA. Not on 1911 Census.
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There's someone in the 1891 census (Alice Dryden) whose birthplace is given as Smyfield, Northumberland
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It is possible that somebody else filled the forms out for them and misheard. They may not have been able to read of write. As there is no Smithfield in Northumberland, there are several Drysdales residing in Spittal, which was Berwick-upon-Tweed registration district, in various censuses, I'd say Spittal would be a good line of enquiry to follow. The 1911 census posted before May be a son or relative of the family, I haven't looked to see how he fits in but I would say that as is name is James Wood Drysdale it is likely that he is related to your Margaret and James, and his birth place is also Spittal.
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Just wondering if it is "Northshields" badly transcribed by the enumerator.
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Possibility :-\
Top l-hand corner of this map is Smith Field.
https://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006825FS.htm
Now called Smeafield . A little north of Belford.
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There's someone in the 1891 census (Alice Dryden) whose birthplace is given as Smyfield, Northumberland
In 1881 her birth place is given as Amble.
Stan
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No worries.
I am wondering now about one born Mousen (Belford) in 1861. She is one month. William Wood is an Ag Lab. Mother is Jane.
1871 says born Bamboro (sic) Bamburgh/Bamborough?
RG09/3882/54/15
Also think that this is a strong possible. On Jennifer's map, there is also a place marked as Shofield* just south of Mousen.
* corrected from Shefield - too small print on phone!
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RG09/3882/54/15
Also think that this is a strong possible. On Jennifer's map, there is a place marked as Shefield just south of Mousen.
I think that's Shiel Field here :-\
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102346263#zoom=5&lat=7142&lon=5217&layers=BT
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I like JenB's Smithfield/Smeafield. (Presumably Smyfield is the same place).
It seems to have been known as Smeafield by the time of the 1901 census, but maybe it was still known locally as Smythfield? :-\
There seem to be other places which sound similar, but Smithfield seems to be the closest match.
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If the 1861 family in Mousen is correct (and H of H is a William, ag lab, which fits with marriage cert), then it could be either of the S---fields :-\
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I am wondering now about one born Mousen (Belford) in 1861. She is one month. William Wood is an Ag Lab. Mother is Jane.
I think that would have to be the birth registered first quarter 1861, Belford 10b, 294. Mother's maiden surname Johnson :-\
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Yes, I saw Johnson on GRO - isn't it great having that now. Still not one of my ancestral names, but I am so grateful that JenB has worked it out! Somehow two people in my family DNA match to two in another, probably in Northumberland.
Thanks to everyone who has had input, Merry Christmas :)