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General => The Common Room => The Lighter Side => Topic started by: bibliotaphist on Thursday 15 December 16 21:28 GMT (UK)
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Have to say I enjoyed the topic of this one: mainly because it combined lots of filming around my home town of North Shields/Tynemouth, sea stories/seafaring history which I love (not much of that in my f.h. unfortunately - Tyne keelmen is as close as I can get to actual maritime ancestors) and a bit about the Durham Light Infantry in which several of my own relatives served during WWI.
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Was not so keen on this one and when she asked what a charwoman was :P...
Rosie
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I liked this one. She didn't go in for the over the top theatricals of some, just a calm acceptance and real interest in what she was being told.
She might not know what a charwoman was but she can't be too stupid to be worth what she is.
Also it looks like we aren't related. Wondered about a Tweedy link, but no.
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Interesting episode especially as we have family in in the DLI in WW1
Frustrating as they didn't explain where the photo of the Master mariner and the Memorial Card came from. Passed down to another relative? Or just happen to have been given to a museum?
Also I wonder if the relative who wrote the 'Dear Relative' letter(very secretive by the BBC I thought) regarding her ggrandfather had worked out to whom he/she was writing to by tracing down the tree, before the program was aired..
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I wasn't expecting too much of this as I'm not really keen on Cheryl's usual public persona. However as often happens, I found it very interesting both for the history side, and for Cheryl's own reactions which seemed much more genuine than some of the screaming celebs we have seen. I do wish there could have been more on both stories. What happened to Caroline after the 1861 census? Did Edith Annie and Joseph stay together after the birth of the twins?
So far this has been a good solid series.
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I did wince slightly when an original document (was it the ticket / permit?) was carefully removed from a plastic wallet - only to be seemingly folded.
But all in all a rather satisfying way to spend an hour and Cheryl seemed attentive and appreciative.
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I liked this one as it was a good story you could follow and just enjoy. I also LOVE mysteries being solved satisfactorily.
Usually War stories get a bit technical/boring as they meet hardened fanatics of the subject, but it was kept at the lowest common denominator in this episode, which made it followable/watchable - as well as being non-specific about battles.... also, never thought about how the trenches appeared, I just assumed the soldiers dug their own.
Coming from a long line of b4st4rds ... :) I'm always amused by the concept that there was "massive shame" in illegitimacy in days-gone-by as my own tree experiences have shown that they all had them and everybody stuck by each other and kept them. Most women in my maternal tree had a child, then got married 1-2 years later and still kept their children.
The issue with Cheryl's family was probably more about an age difference maybe, and/or other personal issues they had regarding personality clashes and perceptions of intent. e.g. did they think the young girl was "too young", or "a gold digger". We don't know how well off the old fella was. Being a housekeeper and sh4ggin' the widowed boss was pretty much the norm (else I'd not be here from my paternal side rumours would suggest)......
Enjoyed it anyway as I could follow it. No heavy going bits; no really boring bits. Also, there were tidbits of new information to add into the knowledge banks.... e.g. I didn't know a Master Mariner was a Captain and they had a ticket, which was a bit of paper, they studied for!
I've no mariners... but if I ever find one I'll know that much now.
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Haven't watched this episode yet, but I do think this series has been really interesting, much improved over some of the previous offerings.
Not being a dedicated TV viewer I barely recognise any of the celebs but the first three subjects handled things very well and all seemed genuinely interested. I do hope they continue in the same vein.
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The photo of her 4xG grandfather and his wife was a great find and also a wonderful photograph.
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Also it looks like we aren't related. Wondered about a Tweedy link, but no.
I was also interested in a Tweedy/Tweedie link (my mother's family) but was dreading that they would be bypassed completely. To my surprise they actually went quite in depth with showing the father's written family tree. I will have to screen shot that and see if it ever matches up with my family.
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No Crows in her tree?
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This series is turning out well so far, with the producers being less frightened of the period before WW2.
The photo (complete with frame), and the original seaman's ticket (not a file copy) definitely came from a relative.
What a pity Cheryl's great grandfather seemed to be shunned by both his families. We have to hope that times have changed on that front.
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I wasn't expecting too much of this as I'm not really keen on Cheryl's usual public persona. However as often happens, I found it very interesting both for the history side, and for Cheryl's own reactions which seemed much more genuine than some of the screaming celebs we have seen. I do wish there could have been more on both stories. What happened to Caroline after the 1861 census? Did Edith Annie and Joseph stay together after the birth of the twins?
So far this has been a good solid series.
Ancestry has Caroline marrying again in 1864 to a Robert Dixon in Tynemouth Christ Church Her father was George Biggs , her 2nd husband was a Mariner ,( 1881 census has her a Mariners wife though she says she's a widow ) Caroline dies in 1903
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We didn't know the subject of this episode but she came across as a very pleasant young lady.
I've enjoyed the comments about the programme and agree with them totally.
I felt it was a friendly and clear story of Cheryl's family. One of the historical advisers (a lady) appeared to be genuinely interested in her subject and explained things in a measured and patient manner.
A most enjoyable programme.
Judy
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No Crows in her tree?
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Cheryl Tweedy/Cole/Fernandez-Versini born 1983 Newcastle Upon Tyne.
Sheryl Crow born 1962 Missouri, USA
Are you getting confused between Cheryl and Sheryl? ;)
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I really enjoyed this one. I was particularly interested in the North Shields info. [my 2xgt gr father was born there.]
I hope Cheryl continues to delve into her tree. Her father is obviously interested. 8)
Kooky
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Another of Cheryl's relatives (the grandson of John and Caroline) who served and was killed in the war: LAING, ERNEST EDWIN - 'Son of John Wood Laing, of 36, East Stephenson St., North Shields'...
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/733730/LAING,%20ERNEST%20EDWIN
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I liked this one. She didn't go in for the over the top theatricals of some, just a calm acceptance and real interest in what she was being told.
She might not know what a charwoman was but she can't be too stupid to be worth what she is.
I am quite possibly wrong, but I can't help feeling that the subjects are asked/advised to enhance the apparent level of surprise from time to time. I find it hard to believe intelligent ;) people don't already know some of the things they are told. One example was Jeremy Paxman, who seemed unbelievably unaware of Victorian life.
Cheryl did OK.
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... e.g. I didn't know a Master Mariner was a Captain and they had a ticket, which was a bit of paper, they studied for! I've no mariners... but if I ever find one I'll know that much now.
My wife and I both had grandfather master mariners - and we both have their certificates (tickets) :)
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Was not so keen on this one and when she asked what a charwoman was :P...
Rosie
Until I came across the word 'charwoman' in a census record and looked it up, within the last five years, I did not know what it meant. I'd heard the word before, but I'd assumed it was something to do with tea. The world is full of things I don't know yet.
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I did wince slightly when an original document (was it the ticket / permit?) was carefully removed from a plastic wallet - only to be seemingly folded.
But all in all a rather satisfying way to spend an hour and Cheryl seemed attentive and appreciative.
I won't repeat in polite company what my reaction to that was.
I thought this was one of the better programmes of recent series, the reactions certainly seemed more sincere to me.
Cheers
Guy
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I did wince slightly when an original document (was it the ticket / permit?) was carefully removed from a plastic wallet - only to be seemingly folded.
But all in all a rather satisfying way to spend an hour and Cheryl seemed attentive and appreciative.
I won't repeat in polite company what my reaction to that was.
I thought this was one of the better programmes of recent series, the reactions certainly seemed more sincere to me.
Cheers
Guy
Probably the same as my reaction! If I'm not mistaken, she was even smoothing along the creases!!
I do agree that this series - so far - has been an improvement on recent ones. However, I thought Cheryl's distinctly low key delivery was offputting. I wanted her to get just a little bit excited about what she was discovering but she just drawled on and on, albeit in that lovely Geordie accent.
Oh, and I was very, very miffed when her great grandfather's war record was produced. Neither of my grandfathers' records are anywhere to be found (i.e. destroyed). T'aint fair! :-[
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I enjoyed this one as I have enjoyed the series so far although I am not sure if Danny Dyer hams up his accent or not! Anyway having mariners in the family it was interesting to see what that involved if only my mariner had not died before 1851 it might be easier to find out about him! I was also interested by her great grandfather and his war service.
I did wonder if he had kept some contact with his other family or not? My ancestor did the same thing married the housekeeper after his wife had died and she was a much younger woman. It cannot have been a bad thing as he was in his 90`s when he died!
I would have like to have known where the photograph and ticket came from surely they could have just said that was donated by a relative and that would have been enough.
All in all so far it has been an interesting seriess.
Sarah
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Ancestry has Caroline marrying again in 1864 to a Robert Dixon in Tynemouth Christ Church
My 4xgt grandfather (mariner from North Shields) ended up in the Old Bailey for smashing the skull of his shipmate, Robert Dixon. I wonder if it was a relation? I never did find out what happened to mine.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who nearly had a fit when she folded that document!
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.... and no gloves for handling the photo and the document ?
(I've often noticed that there seems to be no 'rules' in record offices or on WDYTYA about gloves - why ?)
I have enjoyed all the programmes so far in this series, but oh ! the swaggering chap in the first programme .... wasn't he full of himself ?! Much less crying too in this series, thank goodness .... salt tears can't be good for old documents !
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The issue with Cheryl's family was probably more about an age difference maybe, and/or other personal issues they had regarding personality clashes and perceptions of intent. e.g. did they think the young girl was "too young", or "a gold digger". We don't know how well off the old fella was. Being a housekeeper and sh4ggin' the widowed boss was pretty much the norm (else I'd not be here from my paternal side rumours would suggest)......
Something was bugging me last night, so I had a quick look and I suspect that part of the issue was also that the housekeeper was already married and had several children already. If you find the birth records for Cheryl's grandmother and her twin sister there is a postem that says they were registered under the housekeeper's married surname even though they were the children of Mr Ridley.
I really enjoyed last night's episode and was pleasantly surprised how easy going and interested Cheryl came across as being.
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Something was bugging me last night, so I had a quick look and I suspect that part of the issue was also that the housekeeper was already married and had several children already. If you find the birth records for Cheryl's grandmother and her twin sister there is a postem that says they were registered under the housekeeper's married surname even though they were the children of Mr Ridley.
I suppose that would explain why they went with the marriage certs and not birth certs.
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.... and no gloves for handling the photo and the document ?
(I've often noticed that there seems to be no 'rules' in record offices or on WDYTYA about gloves - why ?)
There's a blog from the British Library on this very topic:
http://blogs.bl.uk/digitisedmanuscripts/2011/08/white-gloves-or-not-white-gloves.html
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Mr Bean shows you the way !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeMPvaTfcxo
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Oh thank you Lydart for that link.
It's so good to watch Mr. Bean. I'm glad I wasn't present in the library at the time!
Judy
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The photo was wonderful :) Enjoying this series
jfch
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Loved seeing her on the beach I spent hours on every summer!
Just wish my Mariners hadn't died so early there's no chance of a ticket.
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Found the whole thing a little flat.
The ancestry was interesting enough. not sure what it was but did not capture my imagination
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I thought it was okay. The subject is a very experienced TV personality and I thought she was very polished in her actions and reactions. Some episodes have more twists than others and I like those episodes. This episode I found quite straight forward so not one of the better episodes.
Blue