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I have tried but am getting nowhere fast with a line of my tree.
I have a Christine/Christina Matheson (or Mathieson) marrying a John McPhie. I estimate births to be around 1835 but have no details on where or when they were married or any other children.
They had 3 girls that I can find Isabella, Ann R and Marie. For some reason the 3 girls end up living with their aunt and uncle - Isabella and Daniel Netar in Glasgow by 1951. Daniel is down in the census as being born around 1827 in Rhitany, Buteshire... no details of this location and nothing that I can see in way of birth records. Was hoping I could trace his marriage to Isabella to confirm her parents and then work back that way.
Can anyone see what I am missing with this one?
Second issue I am having relates to my great grandmother's parents.
Margaret M Pettigrew was born 1912 in Liverpool. I had Peter Pettigrew as her father and May O'Conner as her mother. I believe both to have born in Ireland, but can't get any information on them at all. Given that it's a relatively recent search you'd have thought it would be simple to trace this line but I can't seem to get further with it.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
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Margaret M Pettigrew was born 1912 in Liverpool. I had Peter Pettigrew as her father and May O'Conner as her mother.
Marriages June qtr 1916
Peter Pettigrew/Margaret O'Connor West Derby 8b 883
The birth reg for Margaret in 1912 shows mothers maiden name as Connor - not O'Connor - but there is no Pettigrew/Connor marriage
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Dates seem a bit out here even if you mean 1851 rather than 1951. Where and when were the 3 girls born?
I have a Christine/Christina Matheson (or Mathieson) marrying a John McPhie. I estimate births to be around 1835 but have no details on where or when they were married or any other children.
They had 3 girls that I can find Isabella, Ann R and Marie. For some reason the 3 girls end up living with their aunt and uncle - Isabella and Daniel Netar in Glasgow by 1951. Daniel is down in the census as being born around 1827 in Rhitany, Buteshire... no details of this location and nothing that I can see in way of birth records. Was hoping I could trace his marriage to Isabella to confirm her parents and then work back that way.
If Christina & John were both born around 1835 - their daughters could not have been living with relatives in 1851 as Christina and John could not have married until the mid-late 1850's
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Could this be a death for May :-\
March qtr 1922
May Pettigrew age 28
Nantwich reg district 8a 477
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For reference
1871 census for Glasgow - all b Glasgow except Daniel
Daniel Netar 44 blacksmith b Buteshire
Isabella 45
Ann R Mcphie 15
Marie Mcphie 13
Isabella Mcphie 9
Glasgow Barony ED 70 Page 20 Line 3
Have you looked on Scotlands People for a death for Christine between 1861-1871?
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Is this 1861 entry a coincidence - all b Barony except Daniel
I Dock St Barony Glasgow
Daniel Mcphee 34 blacksmith b Rothesay Buteshire
Isabella Mcphee 29
Archibald Mcphee 5
Mary Mcphee 3
Dugald Mcphee 1
Glasgow Barony ED 54 Page 4 Line 8
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Apologies you are correct. I meant the 1871 census.
I have attempted to search scotlands people for Isabella and Ann's birth to confirm that I definitely have the parents correct. Not getting far though.
I found the birth of an Isabella McPhie in 1861, but wrong child.
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Is this 1861 entry a coincidence - all b Barony except Daniel
I Dock St Barony Glasgow
Daniel Mcphee 34 blacksmith b Rothesay Buteshire
Isabella Mcphee 29
Archibald Mcphee 5
Mary Mcphee 3
Dugald Mcphee 1
Glasgow Barony ED 54 Page 4 Line 8
This has thrown a spanner in the works. Hopefully this is a coincidence, the names I imagine are quite common, but that the ages are similar is worrying and Daniel being from Bute too...
I took Rhitany from the 1871 census to mean Rothesay, but unsure if both of these are the same family. Spelling of surname is different
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Could this be a death for May :-\
March qtr 1922
May Pettigrew age 28
Nantwich reg district 8a 477
There are no deaths for Christine/a McPhie on Scotlands people within the timescales that you would assume. I would have thought she died following birth of Marie so between 1858 and 1871. Can't see anything for her though. Nothing that seems to fit anyway.
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Hi
I have a Christine/Christina Matheson (or Mathieson) marrying a John McPhie. I estimate births to be around 1835 but have no details on where or when they were married or any other children.
With so little info - how do you know this marriage is correct?
How have you linked the 3 children to Christine Mathieson & John McPhie given they were not with parents in 1861 and Daniel is shown as "Netar" in 1871?
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Hi
I have a Christine/Christina Matheson (or Mathieson) marrying a John McPhie. I estimate births to be around 1835 but have no details on where or when they were married or any other children.
With so little info - how do you know this marriage is correct?
How have you linked the 3 children to Christine Mathieson & John McPhie given they were not with parents in 1861 and Daniel is shown as "Netar" in 1871?
I don't know that the parent are correct. That's why I have attempted to trace Ann and Marie but am not getting anywhere with any of the family members. Can't even find a birth record for either of them which is frustrating.
Isabella (1860) is my relative so I'm confident she is correct, the father and mother I can't remember how I traced them originally as it was a few years ago but I can't seem to locate any other information that either proves it or disproves it. Just seems to be a dead end.
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Isabella (1860) is my relative so I'm confident she is correct, the father and mother I can't remember how I traced them originally as it was a few years ago
Isabella was born in Scotland so her parents names and mothers maiden name will be on her birth cert. You can download a copy cert from Scotlands People by purchasing credits
If Isabella married or died in Scotland - either of those certs will also show her parents names and mothers maiden name
The Isabella in 1871 is 9yrs old so not born 1860.
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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Could this be a death for May :-\
March qtr 1922
May Pettigrew age 28
Nantwich reg district 8a 477
There are no deaths for Christine/a McPhie on Scotlands people within the timescales that you would assume. I would have thought she died following birth of Marie so between 1858 and 1871. Can't see anything for her though. Nothing that seems to fit anyway.
I think you are getting muddled by the two posts you have here. It would have been better if you had asked for separate lookups.
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With spelling as Mcfie, this might be the birth if the Dugald Mcphee age 1 in the 1861 census.
There are other births listed for thes parents on the familysearch website, including Archibald. This birth appears to be in the same place the family is living at in the census.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F79Z-P5G
PB
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I checked out Family Search as suggested. The father is listed as Daniel McFie but I have the marriage cert for Isabella and George Steel confirming that the father's name was John McPhie. Looking again at the certificate though I can see that Christina's surname may not be Matheson after all.. looks like McCallum but really hard to read the writing.
The cert also shows that at the time of George and Isabella's marriage, both Isabella's parents were deceased which ties in with my earlier suspicions that they were living with the aunt and uncle in Glasgow as per the census. Marriage was in 1878 and the parents were deceased prior to 1871 census.
So John McPhie and potentially Christina / Christine McCallum?? Nothing on Scotlands People.
I really do appreciate everyone's suggestions.
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I think there are some transcription problems with the 1871 census. Findmypast has them all as Mcfin with the three children - Marion, Archd and Isabella showing as sons and daughters of Daniel and Isabella. Using the index to Scotlandspeople they seem to be transcribed as McLin with the three young family members transcribed as Archd, Marion and Isabella. Think the original would be worth a look to try and ascertain exactly what it says.
Isobel
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From Familysearch - children of Daniel McFie/ McPhie and Isabella Cameron
Archibald McFie born 1855 in Milton
Marion Stewart McPhie born 1858 Anderston
Dugald McFie born 1860 Anderston
Daniel McFie born 1862 Anderston
Isabella McPherson McFie born 1864 Anderston
isobel
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I don't think the Isabella who married George Steel in 1878 is the same one as in the 1871 census above. Although Ancestry 1871 transcription has her as age 9 she is shown as age 7 in both the Findmypast and Scotlandspeople transcriptions which would tally with the year of birth ( 1864) of Isabella Mcpherson McFie, daughter of Daniel and Isabella. She would only have been 14 in 1878 so too young to marry George.
Isobel