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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Davee g on Monday 28 November 16 18:41 GMT (UK)
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Hello
My gr gr gr grandfather was william ballard born ireland circa 1816. Married to jane dawson from jersey. Hav heard talk that he was a romany. I think because he was a tinsmith. I would like to know more. Anyhow ballard is an english name and william prob descende fro english settlers in ireland from time of cromwell. I hav read that one quarter of population of ireland by 1802 was of english and Scottish blood. Just because he was a tinsmith surely doesnt mean he was a gypsy or romany????
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
I see you have posted a reply on this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734041.new#new
You have posted on the Lancashire board so can you tell us what connection your ancestors had to Lancashire?
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Hello
William was living in liverpool in 1851 and his som william f ballard was born in liverpool his son john richard ballard mm also born in liverpool and his daughter (my gran) eleanor ballard also born there.
Thanks
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Would also like to find where william married jane dawson
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I can see them in 1841 living in Jordan Street Liverpool, William the father's occupation on the original image was Tinman. They were all born in Ireland, William, Ann, Margaret, Richard, Robert, Catherine and Letitia here's a transcript:-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQL9-1KT
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I see from Blues post they are all from Ireland
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I think this is the William who was married to Jane from Jersey. On the original image it might say Tin Plate Worker:-
1871
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBX1-B51
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Yes this is them in 1871. I hav this copy already. Only william born in ireland. Would like to know where in ireland he was from and whether he was a romany gypsy as i hav been told.
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Were they Protestants? Looking at the Irish Census for 1901 most Ballards were Protestants living in the north. Looking at the surname on "Irish Ancestors" for the 19th century they are mainly located in the cities ie Cork, Belfast, Dublin and Limerick:-
https://www.johngrenham.com/
It's always difficult researching Irish people that far back as there's not many records available.
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Dont know if they were protestants
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I haven't noticed any Liverpool RC baptisms for this family so I was thinking they might be Protestants.
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Yes all baptisms of children and grandchildren wee in anglican church but that maybe because mother was protestant and engliss..william could still be catholic. Any idea of romany roots for him
Someone said his son william f appeared on 1881 tinsmiths census of england and they read this on romany gypsy connections website.
Im not so sure.
Just because you're a tinsmith doesnt mean your a romany
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Hi
Your main interest seems to be in proving or disproving whether your ancestor had Romany roots
Given he originated from Ireland at a time when records are very thin on the ground - I very much doubt you will get the answer to that question
Hav heard talk that he was a romany.
It may be just that - talk
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Yes all baptisms of children and grandchildren wee in anglican church but that maybe because mother was protestant and engliss..william could still be catholic. Any idea of romany roots for him
Someone said his son william f appeared on 1881 tinsmiths census of england and they read this on romany gypsy connections website.
Im not so sure.
Just because you're a tinsmith doesnt mean your a romany
As Carol said it's difficult researching that far back in Ireland so it's unlikely you will find anything to prove or disprove such a link.
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