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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Polly Lynn on Monday 28 November 16 09:18 GMT (UK)
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I have been working on the Harrisons of Down, Armagh, and Monaghan.
I have just entered church records for Harrisons of Donaghcloney Church of Ireland, Waringstown, Down. What a mess. I am starting today to group people in families. If you have any Harrison in County Down, I would appreciate a PM with basic family information. For example, the name of the father, wife, and children. Eventually I shall try to find the Harrison grandfather, etc. A place name and a date for someone would orient me.
Basically, could we swap information that you have on your Harrison and that I have on Harrisons? Thank you. Polly LYNN
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Rootschat is a forum for helping others and the PM system is really meant for exchanging personal details such as phone numbers, email addresses, information on living people, etc.
Here are links to your previous topics-
Harrison in Ballynahinch, Saintfield, Bangor (Gransha), Bleary, (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755233.msg6047021#msg6047021)
Valentine Harrison (b. 1805?) Ballydugan, Donaghcloney, Tullylish, (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755236.msg6047034#msg6047034)
Harrison in Corcreeny, Donaghcloney, births registered in Waringstown (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755237.msg6047038#msg6047038)
If someone thinks they have a connection or information on these Harrisons it would be best if they post on the thread so that others interested can see what has been found and then respond themselves.
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These are three different Harrison families. I am hoping to DNA test each family. I would not wish anyone to think they are the same family. Thank you.
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When I said these are three different Harrison families I mean they go back to three different patriarchs in the 1600s:
1. In about 1685-1690 a John Harrison [Sr.] came to Ballynahinch, County Down, Ireland. By 1703, he and five of his sons were Presbyterian. This family is SAID to go back to Cromwell, but so far John is our earliest guy.
2. James Harrison of Moyraverty, County Armagh, was paying the hearth money roll (tax) in 1662, or so say the church records at Seagoe Parish. Descendants of this Seagoe family were all Church of Ireland and might have gone to Knocknamuckley and MIGHT include Valentine Harrison and Pierce Harrison, both born about the late 1700s. We do no yet know that Pierce and Valentine are related to each other, but given they were at the same two churches, it seems likely. Townlands in this family include Ballydugan, Ballygargan, also livd around Lurgan and Portadown. Lots of weavers in this family.
3. James Harrison of Corcreeny or Corcreany, County Down, lived in the late 1600s through his death and will probation in 1727. In Corcreeny, I am joking when I say that this James Harrison (d. by 1727) and married possibly Margaret Brice had two sons named James. Both at Corcreeny, there is a James (born about 1686, I am guessing) who married Margaret Collen and a James who married Rebecca and had son John bapt. 1717. A few in his family were buried in a Presbyterian graveyard, the rest were baptized Donaghcloney Church of Ireland in Waringstown Village. A mixture of weavers and farmers and a clerk in this family.
We have traced these families back to the mid 1600s and there is no connection, yet.
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Hi All
I am Harrison of Corcreany, Waringstown, which is part of Donaghcloney Parish
Harrison's are Church of Ireland.
I would suggest locally there are possibly four or five different Harrison families living within approximately less than four mile radius of each other.
Harrison's of Knocknamuckley and Ballynagarrick
Harrison's of Corcreany
Harrison's of Waringstown
Harrison's of Donaghclney
I am very keen to establish the true lineage of these families and have recently considered DNA testing as I have actively pursued my mother's line over at least the past twelve years and have had family do DNA testing with this branch of the family.
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John,
I am very interested in these Harrison families also. I sent you a personal message here on Rootschat. If you cannot access it, please just reply to this one. Thank you.
I would like to exchange information with you on the Harrisons; I can send you lots of charts and family group sheets. Mayb you could set m straight on your family. Also, I hope we can talk to each other about the DNA test before you buy it. I would like to help pay for it, which means that I, rather than you, need to buy it. So don't buy it yt. Thy ar on sal in Dcmbr, so if I am to help you buy it would have to be before 22 Decmber. My lttr e has stopped working.
I think Corcrany and Donaghclony ar th sam family.
I think Knocknamuckley and Seagoe ar th sam family.
I hav bn working on all th families you mentioned, xcpt maybe not Ballynagarrick or Waringstown.
Polly LYNN
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Welcome John18 thats exciting news for Polly, looking forward to learning your combined results in time.lots of positive luck to you both
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Thank you, BallyaltKilligan.
I am seeking the name and place lived of the father of the Valentine Harrison (born 1798-1810) who married first Jane Pollock and second Wells. Let's look at Valentine's early life and other clues to his origins.
1. Who was his mother? Valentine's mother may have been Ann McCann, as stated on Valentine's 1877 death certificate. (1877 Harrison, Valentine Statutory Deaths 644/10 0246. Death was in Glasgow, Scotland.) Among other places here were McCanns attending Knocknamuckley Church of Ireland, Co. Armagh.
2. By 1877 the name of Valentine's father was Mr. Harrison, farmer, deceased.
3. What was the birth year of Valentine Harrison? His death certificate in Scotland says he was age 60 in 1877, which puts his birth about 1817. However, he had sons born in the 1820s. Therefore I would suggest he was born 30 years earlier, so about 1796.
4. Valentine Harrison married first Jane Pollock in her parish church, not his. Where and when? I do not see such a marriage in the Seagoe Parish Church of Ireland 1821-1866. One could look earlier. I have Donaghcloney Parish marriages starting 1829, but not earlier.
5. Children and where born?
a. Robert Harrison S. was born in the 1820s at his father's residence, Donaghcloney Parish.
On 28 December 1849, Robert married Mary Sands. At the time he was a weaver in Tullylish. In which church did they marry? Her church, but which religion?
b. Isabella Harrison (1828-1913)
Isabella died in Lisburn, Ireland.
c. Valentine Harrison [Jr.] (born about 1830s I am guessing was eventually of Donaghcloney; died in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland)
He married Margaret Harwood, where and when?
d. Richard Harrison ()
In 1851 in Tullylish, Down, he married Elizabeth Sands. That means she was of Tullylish. In which church?
e. Elizabeth Harrison (1834-1919 Timaru, Canterbury, New Zealand)
On 21 July 1854 in Knocknamuckly Church of Ireland [Down], Elizabeth Harrison married John Wilson. Her father was called Valentine Harrison, Laborer.
f. John Harrison (1835-1898)
g. Matilda Harrison (1836-)
On 20 July 1859, in Knocknamuckly Church of Ireland, Matilda married John Reid.
h. Jane Harrison (born about 1840?, died 1869 at age 29)
On 5 March 1857, Jane Harrison married David McMurray. In which church?
She is buried at Waringstown graveyard. (Why?)
Clearly this Valentine Harrison was Church of Ireland. (There are about 14 Valentine Harrisons!) His children, except for the son who married Graham, were married Church of Ireland.
5. Valentine Harrison married second Elizabeth Wells between 1841 and 1845. In 1841 Elizabeth Wells was single and living with her parent Margaret Wells and a James Nicholson, Tullylish Parish, Co. Down. Valentine Harrison and Elizabeth Wells had at least:
i. Mary Ann Harrison (b. 1845) Mary Ann married in Donaghcloney Parish 1862 and married Holt McClure.
6. In 1834 a Valn Harrison lived at Ballydougan (Ballydugan), Tullylish Parish, County Down. (Tithe apploment, 1834.)
7. In 1861 (info was from about then; published 1864) Valentine Harrison was farming Cornreany, Donaghcloney, Co. Down.
8. By the time he died in 1877 Valentine Harrison had moved to Glasgow, Scotland. His death certificate calls him an engineer's laborer and widower of Elizabeth Wells.
My questions are: who was Valentine's father? Who were his ancestors? And where was Valentine's father from?
I see a James Harrison of Ballydugan, Tullylish who married Mary. (Notice this is no Ann McCann.) They had a son bap. 1814 at Sagoe Parish Church of Ireland. (Kat Conard. Seagoe Parish records, Index 1660-1821, p. 14.) In 1834 this [same] James Harrison was farming at Ballydougan, Tullylish.
There is a Mr. Harrison (b. 1770s-1780s, guessing0 married to Letitia who had a daughter, Sarah A. Harrison born about 1803 in Ballydugan.
I know our Valntine Harrison named his eldest son Robrrt Harrison. Is there a Robrt Harrison married o an Ann McCann? I would take any Harrison married to Ann McCann as the parents of Valentine.
Thank you!
Polly LYNN
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We know Valentine Harrison of Ballyudgan''s mother was Ann McCann. Who was his father? To summarize four possibilities for the father of Valentine Harrison (b. about 1800, range of birth dates from 1796-1817) of Ballydugan, Tullylish and often of Donaghcloney Parish, Down are:
1. John Harrison of Ballydougan (d. by 1828). Was he married and, if so, to whom?
In 1828 in Tullylish a will was probated for a John Harrison of Ballydougan. (Ros Davies's County Down website.)
2. James Harrison of Ballydugan and Mary
They had a son William Harrison, born at Ballydugan and baptized 1814 at Seagoe Church of Ireland, Co. Armaagh.
3. Mr. Harrison and Letitia of Ballydugan.
Mr. Harrison and Letitia had a daughter Sarah A. Harrison born about 1803 in Ballydugan. Sarah married Moses Chambers at Tullylish Church of Ireland, which would have been her home parish.
4. Valentine Harrison (d. 1853 age 82) and Esther of Moyraverty, Co. Armagh. I chose him because of the same name.
Val and Esther had at least six children all baptized at Seagoe Parish Church of Ireland, Sarah Harrison, bapt. 1801; Elizabeth bapt. 1804; Mary Anne Harrison bapt. 1806; Anne Harrison bapt. 1811; John Harrison bapt. 1813; James Harrison born or bapt. 1815 (John's place of bap. unknown).
Do you see who the father of Valentine was? The Valentine Harrison [Sr.] I am interested in married Jane Pollock and Elizabeth Wells. His eldest son was named Robert Harrison [Sr.]
Thank you.
Polly
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Hi Polly, good to you steaming onwards, its hard to know what sources you might not have tried, so this is my last round up for Valentine Harrison in case you haven’t seen any one of these.
PRONI Sources
from https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/ecatalogue
Repository : Public Record Office for Northern Ireland
PRONI Reference : D1928/L/58/5
Title : Lease from William Brownlow, Brownlowsderry
Dates : 10 June 1730
Description : Lease from William Brownlow, Brownlowsderry, to Valentine Harrison, Montraverty, County Armagh (with counterpart).
Repository : Public Record Office for Northern Ireland
PRONI Reference : D778/57
Title : Thomas Fox of Hilsborough, Down, gent; Francis
Dates : 20 October 1717
Description : Thomas Fox of Hilsborough, Down, gent; ........................ Valentine Harrison of Moyraverty, Armagh, farmer; Francis Toulerton of the same, widow of James Toulerton, and James Toulerton, junior; Robert Huat and John Robinson of Clondrutt, Armagh, farmers; Alice Huat of the same, widow of Mark Huat, and John Huat of the same, farmer; and Edward Bond of Armagh, gent., executor of Walter Bond, late of Armagh, deceased to Charles Campbell of Dublin, esq., and Edward Trevor, son of Sir John Trevor, late Master of the Rolls - Assignment of interest in estates at Grange, Dreyals Dree, Lurganvicknawly, Crossgarr, Crossan, Croan, Lisnesure, Ballymackanallen, and Ballyleny in Co. Down; and of Clondrutt, Drumgasky, Moyraverty, Cordglass and Darrycarn in Co. Armagh. The reversion of these properties is in Edward Trevor. The deed recites that Charles Campbell proposes to effect a Common Recovery against the said Edward Trevor. Consideration: to be paid by Edward Trevor to assignors: £3,000. Signed by all the parties - Grange, Dryals Dree, Lurganvicknawly, Crossgar, Crossan, Croan, Lisnesure, Ballymackanallen, and Ballyleny in Co. Down; Clondrutt, Drumgasky, Moyraverty, Corglass and Darrycarn, Co. Armagh.
Repository : Public Record Office for Northern Ireland
PRONI Reference : ARM/5/2/12
Title : A return of the names residences, situation
Dates : 1824
Description : A return of the names residences, situation and amount of freehold of the freeholders registered in the County of Armagh.
1043HarrisonValentineMoyravertyCharles Brownlow1824?
wills http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Administration of the Estate of Valentine Harrison late of 192 Shankhill Road and 84 Cliftonpark Avenue both in Belfast Publican who died 17 May 1909 at 84 Cliftonpark Avenue granted at Belfast to Frances Harrison the Widow.
Harrison Valentine of 9 Park Parade Belfast commercial traveller died 6 September 1934 Probate Belfast 22 October to Mary Jane Harrison the widow. Effects £257 19s. 1d.
Surprisingly Genes Reunited website with over 131 matches for Valentine Harrison have only one definite Valentine Harrisonin ireland
Forename Surname Born in Place of birth Tree owner
Valentine Harrison 1850 Warringtown Lurgan N... Margaret
and more tenuously
Valentine Harrison 1817 Probably Northern Ir... No Pauline
Valentine Harrison 1817 Probably Northern Ir... No Deborah
SOG the Society of Genealogists http://www.sog.org.uk.
has Valentine harrisons in these sources View Sources Number of matches
Subscribe to search this source Boyds Marriage Index 2
Boyds Records
Subscribe to search this source Boyds London Burials 1
Boyds Records
Subscribe to search this source Apprentices of Great Britain series 1
Apprentices
Subscribe to search this source Hertfordshire marriage index 1538-1837 1
Parish registers > Hertfordshire registers
Subscribe to search this source Kent marriages 1813-1837 1 back to https://www.ancestryireland.com
good luck onwards
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In both the 1901 and 1911 Ireland census a Valentine Harrison b 1896 is living with my husbands Gt Gt Grandparents William and Mary (Shaw) Dickson in Ballynahinch, Down. He is recorded as being a nephew but I have no idea who his parents are so if he is a Dickson or Shaw family nephew.
I have no further record of him after 1911.
Maybe someone here will know who this boy is exactly.
Pat
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Valentine's Birth :
Registration details
Registration number
U/1896/57/1007/61/392
Registration district
Belfast(pre-1973 Q4)
Registration sub-district
Belfast Urban 11
Child details
Surname of child
Harrison
Forename(s) of child
Valentine
Date of birth
18th March 1896
Sex of child
Male
District of birth
Belfast
Mother details
Forename and surname of mother
Margaret Harrison
Mother's maiden surname
Shaw
Father details
Forename and surname of father
William Harrison
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Thank you. After your response I was able to figure out that his mother, Margaret Shaw Lyons Harrison is a sister to our Mary Shaw Dickson.
Thanks again.
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DNA tests from December 2016 show this week that the following four or five Harrison families are related to each other and none is related to me!
(1) Bleary, Down. They appear to go back to Seagoe Parish, Armagh.
(2) Ballydugan, Down. They appear to go back to Seagoe Parish.
(3) Clare, Down.
(4) Corcreeny, Down. A James Harrison died there in 1727.
In possibly Seagoe Parish there was a James Harrison of Moyraverty in 1662 and he is worth looking at.
These four above are the same DNA haplogroup as (5) Hillsborough, Magheradartin, and Blaris Harrisons, County Down. However, I am not sure that #5 and 1-4 are closely related. That should be checked.
As for me, I am none of the above. I come from the Harrisons of a different haplogourp. We were also from County Down: from Ballynahinch (Magheradrool Parish), Ballymacaramery in Saintfield Parish, Gransha (Bangor Parish but we are NOT NEWTOWNARDS Harrisons) and Ballylone. Those all are my family. My people are brother or first cousin to Isaiah Harrison (b. 1666) of Oyster Bay, New York, and Delaware, and Virginia who, in my opinion, must have been born somewhere in Ireland, not as is weedily thought in Chester, England. My family of Harrisons have recently had a DNA match to a family from Chedgrave, Norfolk County, England, U.K., so are just starting to look at Harrison families related to the family tree of Harrisons researched by a Hargrave Harrison in the Norfolk area.
Thank you to all on this forum who helped us pice together the Harrison families of Donaghcloney and Tullylish parish in Down and Seagoe Parish in Armagh.
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Polly Lynn, very well done, and a strong thank you from someone who is not yet convinced about DNA for giving us such family detail that clearly solves the curiosity which has led you to find you are not related to four Co Down Harrison strands, and may open doors for others, I admire your enthusiasm.
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I have just linked in and am reading the chat with Polly Lynn on the Harrison family. My family is Pierce Harrison (1809-1894). First wife was Elizabeth Pollock (1812-1862) on 1833, second Mary Ann Fryers on 1864. Thee were from Bleary/Tullyish/Waringstown. My line was from Elizabeth Pollock. Nicholas (son) my family line came to Australia, the family from the second marriage is in America. I am in touch with both. However, would like to find existing family of the Harrisons and Pollocks still in Ireland. These records are Jane, John, James, Mary, William, Sarah and Joseph. Also coud be Letitia and Alexander, Elizabeth. Another Pierce also came to Australia. Another branch - Harrison I have in my family is Margaret Harrison (1820-1891) who married Samuel Toman (1815-1904) in 1834 in Tullyish Parish Dromore. All these are from Bleary. Both sides are my great great grandparents. Are there any family still in Ireland? Have really come to a bit of a dead end with Margaret Harrison and Elizabeth Pollock. Thanks, Heather.
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To help with your immediate question, a fair case can be made for James and Mary to be Valentine's parents. William Harrison and Ellen Wells had a first son Valentine b or bapt Dec 25, 1842. He must have died young as they had another son Valentine b abt 1854. Yet, the Valentine b 1842 seems to fit with the man who married Margaret Harwood. Any ideas? James and Mary of Ballydougan had William in 1814 per Seagoe and is probably William who married Ellen and was born 1817 per Knocknamuckley's church census. Valentine was an important name to the family. Not a proof.
On the flip side, Valentine of Moyraverty mentioned Valentine Harrison, Isabelle Harrison (later her surname is Philips) and John Magill on his lease. They are not among his children baptized at Seagoe, so who are they? Isabella is the oldest daughter of Valentine and Jane. However, I have found Jane and Isabella are often interchangeable. names, so who is Isabella named after? . Nevertheless, I have noted several families moving between B'dougan and Bleary and Moyraverty.
A problem is that Jane, a farmer age 54, is living with children Joseph, Matilda, and William in the 1857 census of Ballydougan. I can't read the second half of the record well, but I think it says Jane is a widow. There is also Valentine, a farmer, living alone age 42. He is the only Valentine found in Co Down in Griffiths and is gone by 1875. Robert and Richard are listed next to Jane's entry in the census. Robert married 1849 at Tullylish COI and Richard married 6-20-1851 at the same church. Matilda was said to go to NZ some time after marrying John Reid. Jane died 1890 at age 87.
There is a Henry Harrison, widowed in Corcreany, who married Margaret Alderdice, dau of James Harrison, 1865. Henry says his father is Valentine Harrison. There is no trace of Valentine in DOnaghcloney COI records. At one time I assumed he had Valentine and Jane as parents.
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I have been advised that there is an error in my database as the Valentine Harrisons of Moyraverty and Ballydougan have been confused. The data from church records is correct, but the listing of family members is not. The Valentine in Moraverty (m. Esther and d about 1853)with dau Isabelle is defintely not the Lisnamintry man be 1823 and doesn't seem to be the Ballydougan man.
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Have any of the Harrisons here done a DNA test with Ancestry of FTDNA? Regards, Heather