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General => The Common Room => The Lighter Side => Topic started by: ScouseBoy on Monday 21 November 16 13:27 GMT (UK)
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There was a discussion earlier today about NHS numbers.
There is now a new system of NHS numbers, but for a period between 1955 and 1995 the NHS number was allocated on th birth registration. See Wikipedia for details
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Please would you give a link to the relevant page on Wikipedia?
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The title of the page is NHS numbers
When I. Registered my children's births in England, the birth certificate contained their NHS number,
And that was the case between 1955 and 1995
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Where did I get my NHS number from?
Can you provide a link to the Wikipedia page please?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_number
It does say:
Between 1969 and July 1995, the old-style NHS number was used on a baby's birth certificate as the reference number for the certificate.
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I can't be bothered trying to find my children's b/cs to check. Does this mean that the certificate number and the NHS number were one and the same within that time frame?
What about people not born in 'England'? Where do their NHS numbers come from? Over to you to answer that one Scouseboy .....
Just had a quick read of that Wiki article - is that true about the numbers and the calculations which have to be added and divided and add up to a certain number etc? :P It's an oddly written article.
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I haven't read the Wiki article yet but on my son's certificate (1972) the certificate number consists of two letters and six numbers on the far left-hand corner and an NHS number left-hand corner inside the red box edge.
This is on a full certificate, I don't know about the "short" version.
rayard.
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Hi
Are you asking about old-style NHS numbers eg MABU 21
OR
later/current National Insurance numbers ( aka NI No ) eg YA 164521 B [ last char ABCD were suffices indicating year quarter - I notice not used on my HMRC tax rebate ;D ] ?
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National Insurance numbers are Different things
Your NHS number is health and hospital and GP. Related
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I remember that my childrens' old NHS numbers were the numbers from their birth certs. But then NHS numbers changed.
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Scouseboy
Just ensuring that everyone knows that we are NOT talking NI Nos.
Ray
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Good afternoon,
The title of the page is NHS numbers
When I. Registered my children's births in England, the birth certificate contained their NHS number,
And that was the case between 1955 and 1995
What about those of us born before 1955. Mine was MEHT then some no's which I don't recall . How was that done then.
Have read the link and am completely flumoxed by that calculation, did you invent it ScouseBoy?
John915
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If and when one of our retired Registrars comes on line they may offer more information.
I believe that the superintendent registrar would make a regular return to the Local Health Authority of new births
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Good afternoon,
My son was born in Germany, he has a consulate birth certificate. Absolutely useless for anything official because they are copies. But how did he get his NHS no?
John915
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John
Perhaps he got his NHS number when he registered with a GP in the UK?
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Good afternoon,
My son was born in Germany, he has a consulate birth certificate. Absolutely useless for anything official because they are copies. But how did he get his NHS no?
John915
Perhaps Com Sec of BFG processed the paperwork?
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Good afternoon,
My son was born in Germany, he has a consulate birth certificate. Absolutely useless for anything official because they are copies. But how did he get his NHS no?
John915
I was born in India during WW2. I have an Indian Birth certificate as a result.
I have no idea if or how I obtained a NHS number, as I was only 3 when we returned to UK. I assume my parents did all that work.
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Good evening,
Good afternoon,
My son was born in Germany, he has a consulate birth certificate. Absolutely useless for anything official because they are copies. But how did he get his NHS no?
John915
Perhaps Com Sec of BFG processed the paperwork?
Who is this com sec then?
John915
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There was a discussion earlier today about NHS numbers.
There is now a new system of NHS numbers, but for a period between 1955 and 1995 the NHS number was allocated on th birth registration. See Wikipedia for details
I'm a bit puzzled. Is there anything specific you are asking about NHS numbers?
If anyone is interested in finding out information about NHS numbers, surely they can just google? :-\ There will be a plethora of information about it on the internet, and most people don't need to be pointed in the direction of Wikipedia or Google. They already know to look there!
This seems a very odd thread.....and I fear you've got yourself into a bit of a pickle Scouseboy - incorrect dates ... unanswered questions ...
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Hi SB,
Have just read through this thread but I'm now actually wondering what info. anyone could glean from the fact that a NHS no. was on a Birth Cert?
Where would it take us in "genealogy" terms?
Seems a bit of a "dead end" statement or am I missing something?
Annie
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I got an identity number in 1939 which I still remember - DVFG 317/3. The last digit gave the number within the family, which I presume was identified by the rest of it. I guess on some geographical system.
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My old number was HGGF 40/6. Looking at my original page on the 1939 register on the top line it has E.D. letter code, in my case HGGF. In the 2nd column which is headed Schedule all those at my address have 40. This is not my house number on the road, but a sequential number shown in that column. The next number 6 in my case shows I am the 6th member of my family, parents 1 and 2, brothers and sister 3,4 and 5 and finally me 6, giving me my exclusive number HGGF40/6.
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To add a further fact, my parents ran a guest house and there were five guests, no relation, staying the night the register was taken. There numbers were also HGGF40/ with 7,8,9,10 and 11 added.
This obviously means they would have totally different numbers to other members of their family.
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Hi,
As I remember. The 4 letter and 2 numbers were one's Identity Card number and the NHS is 2 letters and [mine] has 6 numbers in pairs.Does that help and I was born before the 1939 register.
Joburg
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I've got my Identity card - four letters and 3 numbers - 1942.
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To add a further fact, my parents ran a guest house and there were five guests, no relation, staying the night the register was taken. There numbers were also HGGF40/ with 7,8,9,10 and 11 added.
This obviously means they would have totally different numbers to other members of their family.
As indeed would anyone who had been evacuated by that point. As an example, my Dad together with my aunt and my Nan had Weston-super-Mare numbers, as that is where there were (briefly, but that is another story) evacuated to, where as my Grandfather had a number from their home area in west London.
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Hi,
As I remember. The 4 letter and 2 numbers were one's Identity Card number and the NHS is 2 letters and [mine] has 6 numbers in pairs.Does that help and I was born before the 1939 register.
Joburg
I think that will be your NI No, rather than your NHS number?
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Hi,
As I remember. The 4 letter and 2 numbers were one's Identity Card number and the NHS is 2 letters and [mine] has 6 numbers in pairs.Does that help and I was born before the 1939 register.
Joburg
I think that will be your NI No, rather than your NHS number?
Yes, my NHS number bears no resemblance to my NI number. My NHS number is three sets of numbers, 3, 3, and 4. NI number is 2 letters, 6 numbers and a final letter.
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The format of NHS numbers have been changed to make them more computer database friendly.
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Good evening,
The format of NHS numbers have been changed to make them more computer database friendly.
That fact was already established several replies ago, you need to read them.
John915
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It was only a few days ago that one particular member poured scorn on the possibility of NHS numbers being allocated at the same time as birth Certs in England were completed at the registrars office.
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People born overseas had to go in person to some office and apply for a NHI number. I applied for mine in 1988.
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It was only a few days ago that one particular member poured scorn on the possibility of NHS numbers being allocated at the same time as birth Certs in England were completed at the registrars office.
Gee SB, that's a bit OTT! :D Have you got a bee in you bonnet about something?
And the reason you have brought this up on this thread is because ..... ?
People born overseas had to go in person to some office and apply for a NI number.
That is correct! :)
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People born overseas had to go in person to some office and apply for a NHI number. I applied for mine in 1988.
Are you getting confused between National INSURANCE numbers and NHS numbers?
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People born overseas had to go in person to some office and apply for a NHI number. I applied for mine in 1988.
Are you getting confused between National INSURANCE numbers and NHS numbers?
Yes. ;)
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Scouseboy
What was your purpose of posting/starting a thread
"Facts about your old NHS number in England" ?
It was not a query.
You did not define "old NHS number" nor why you added "in England"
What was your purpose of posting a mention of "wiki" ?
You did not define what should be the search parameter for/within "wiki"
National Insurance Numbers (NINOs) have always been a National Insurance account number where your National Insurance contributions (deductions from pay) have been accumulated.
You may (still) ask for a statement(/balance) of your contributions.
(Try it!)
You must give your NINO (as above) to reference your NI Account
The amount in your account is what your Retirement Pension is based upon.
Format of NINO is XX 123456 Y cc (from initial conception)
Where XX is various (exclusions apply), always alpha (Temporary NINO = TN)
123456 (Temporary NINO = ddmmyy DoB)
Y (accounting identity / Temporary NINO = value "X" /) Always alpha, Now seemingly unecessary
cc Check chars/digits allowed for on initial design, never publicly implemented
NINO has never been used as NHS number, nor vice versa.
So, NINO format currently XX 123456 as per my latest HMRC correspondence.
My NHS number is now format 123 456 789 as per my latest hospital visit(s)
To be able to work in GB you must have a NINO
Ray
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National Health number relates to the medical side of the NHS.
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Could someone please close this thread before I slash my wrists? :'( :'( :'(
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Scouseboy
What was your purpose of posting/starting a thread
"Facts about your old NHS number in England" ?
It was not a query.
You did not define "old NHS number" nor why you added "in England"
What was your purpose of posting a mention of "wiki" ?
You did not define what should be the search parameter for/within "wiki"
National Insurance Numbers (NINOs) have always been a National Insurance account number where your National Insurance contributions (deductions from pay) have been accumulated.
You may (still) ask for a statement(/balance) of your contributions.
(Try it!)
You must give your NINO (as above) to reference your NI Account
The amount in your account is what your Retirement Pension is based upon.
Format of NINO is XX 123456 Y cc (from initial conception)
Where XX is various (exclusions apply), always alpha (Temporary NINO = TN)
123456 (Temporary NINO = ddmmyy DoB)
Y (accounting identity / Temporary NINO = value "X" /) Always alpha, Now seemingly unecessary
cc Check chars/digits allowed for on initial design, never publicly implemented
NINO has never been used as NHS number, nor vice versa.
So, NINO format currently XX 123456 as per my latest HMRC correspondence.
My NHS number is now format 123 456 789 as per my latest hospital visit(s)
To be able to work in GB you must have a NINO
Ray
The final single letter was used in the days when employers affixed Stamps to the card each week or month.
Added: The Suffix A B C or D denoted the quarter of the year and Employers sent the cards to the Tax office for inspection at intervals.
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Correct . . . . . but . . . . . not " last used "
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