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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lincolnshire => England => Lincolnshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Patricia Allenby (Andrew) on Monday 14 November 16 09:54 GMT (UK)
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I am told we may be related to the Franklin family, who had the fairground. My grandfather, Sidney Knott is believed to be the linking member possibly?
Can anyone shine any light on this please?
Sidney Knott married Ada Atkinson, lived in Barton upon Humber. Both are deceased.
They had my Mum, Betty.
I think grandad had a brother, Albert Earnest? or Arthur Earnest?
Any help would be great, thanks
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These are the births:-
KNOTT, ALFRED ERNEST mmn NICHOLSON
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 696
KNOTT, ARTHUR CLAYTON mmn NICHOLSON
GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 685
KNOTT, SYDNEY mmn NICHOLSON
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 707
Alfred Ernest Knott married Edith Mary Curtis in Barton upon Humber in 1927
Death 20 Jun 1974 in the Municipal Cemetery in Barton upon Humber
Arthur Clayton Knott married Alice Irene Thompson in Barton upon Humber on 16 Feb 1928
died Scunthorpe District 1988
David
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Here is the family in 1901
Waterside Rd Barton on Humber
Jim Knott 30 Shipwright
Elizabeth 26
Arthur C 2
Alfred E 9 mths all bn Barton on Humber
MArriage 1896
St MAry Barton upon Humber
Jim Knott - Elizabeth Nicholson
Fathers: Fred knott and Anthony Nicholson
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1881
Barton
Ann Knott 33 mariners wife bn Brigg
Jim Knott 10
Martha 8
Harriet 5
William 2 children bn Barton
1871
Waterside Rd
Ann 23 sailors wife
Jim 10 mths
Marriage
Oct/Nv/Dec 1869
Hull
Fred Knott / Ann Smith
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And, looking at the Nicholson line
1891
Newsons LAne Barton
Anthony Nicholson 39 ropemaker bn Barton
Charlotte 40 bn Ramsey
Harry 17
Elizabeth 16
Emily 13
Charles 6
Marriage 1873 Glandforf Briigg Anthony Richard Nicholson/ Charlotte Sophia Clayton
So no sign of any Franklins yet
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Oh. Interesting thank you.
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Do you know the names of any Franklins (and births), and where the Fairground was?
Thanks
Added:
a later fair?
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/post17765.html
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Robert and Arthur Franklin, ran the fair in Barton upon Humber in 60s and 70s. Their father was also Robert
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So would Robert and Arthur be born around 1910's to 1920's?
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no I was 12-13 so they were next generation, probably in 20s or 30s?
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If you look for Robert Franklin born in Lincolnshire from 1920 to 1939, you only get one hit. So either Bingo, or wrong years, or born elsewhere. (Glanford B, 1923, too old?)
There is a possible marriage of a Robert Franklin in Glanford B in 1922 to a suitable mother (Ada), but then no birth for an Arthur.
Robert, Robert and Ada are together in Scunthorpe in 1939.
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Arthur George Franklin I think? I wonder why we can't find him?
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There is a marriage of a Robert Franklin in 1950 in Scunthorpe.
There are then 4 possible births in Scunthorpe from 1951 to 1963, including Robert in 1951 and Arthur G in 1952.
But these are totally the wrong ages?
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Possible death for Robert, but really need marriage certificate for father etc:
Robert Franklin born 13th March 1923
death registered June 1972 aged 49 Scunthorpe Lincolnshire
3b 1005
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This post is from 2004:
http://www.whitbygazette.co.uk/news/traders-despair-at-poor-season-1-1889450
It mentions Franklin's Children's Rides, and also gets a quote from a Franklin.
This man has a fairly distinctive name, and is the son of Arthur G (from above).
This confirms the showman links:
http://www.whitbygazette.co.uk/news/tuby-s-celebrate-in-golden-style-1-1880940
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Oh wow! thank you so much! :) I had heard rumours Arthur was in Whitby but some others said no it was Robert.
I think I need a ride up to Whitby then, I've always wanted to go there
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Just realised on rereading all this thread that Arthur Clayton Knott (1898 to 1988) shared a name with a Franklin in those Whitby Gazette postings.
Sorry for being a little slow over this.
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Arthur Clayton Knott married Alice Irene Thompson in 1928.
Alice appears to be the daughter of George Thompson and Etta Franklin.
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Etta Franklin born 1867 (mother of Alice) is the daughter of Charles Franklin and Emma Roxby.
As regards the fair family,
Robert Franklin born 1923 is the son of Robert Franklin, probably born 1902, Glanford B. Robert, 1902 (who has a sister Etta) is the son of Arthur George Franklin born 1860.
Arthur George Franklin is the son of Charles Franklin and Emma Roxby.
Etta and Arthur George are on the 1871 and 1881 censuses together
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Wow!!! So you have been busy, Blimey, thank you so much. I struggle to get my head round it all, wonderful! You're a star!
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I cant seem to find Alan, son of Arthur Clayton Knott on any documents ::)
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Ah! Found one Alan Knott, born September 1933, is that him?
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I cant find anything about Alan Knott, other than he existed.
My grandad was Sidney Knott, married Ada Atkinson, his dad was James( Jim) Knott, married Elizabeth possibly Nicholson? born 1875. Before that I have no idea of the family tree.
Struggling ???
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This is your grandfather, as found by dcbnwh
KNOTT, SYDNEY mmn NICHOLSON
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 707
You can try and find marriages for Alan Knott (Scunthorpe 1957?) and then children, and then use 192.com for him or wife or children.
If you have looked for deaths for Alan Knott and found nothing likely, then consider that he is still alive and cannot be discussed on here.
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What does the mmn mean before names please? Mothers maiden name?
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Yes, Mother's Maiden Name.
Lizdb posted the marriage of Jim and Elizabeth.
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I've tried searching, cannot find Alan Knott anywhere
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In 1939, Arthur and Alice are at 49 Feverel Avenue, Scunthorpe. A child is blanked out, presumably Alan.
There is an Alan Knott who was a casualty in the Korean War in 1950, but no age given.
Alice died, Q2 2002 in North Lincolnshire.
David
P.S. I forgot to mention that they are transcribed as Knoxx and I have reported the error.
If Alan is blanked out, it suggests that he may still be alive and so no information can be given about him.
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Further to my previous post, I think Alan Knott appears with his family on the Electoral Register but, as I mentioned, details can't be posted.
David
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Patricia,
Look for the marriage I suggested on free bmd in Scunthorpe.
Then look for 2 children using the 2 surnames.
As Alan Knott is a fairly common name, look for his wife or children on 192.com (or similar) and do not assume they are still in the same area.
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Thank you for the advice.
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Please remove their names as they are living people.
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My friend informed me today she has an Alan Knott that drinks in her pub! So looking into that!
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My father appears to have a strong DNA link to someone called Franklin in Canada. This person claims his ancestry back to Richard Franklin (born March 18, 1832) in Barrow on Humber, but there is nothing on findmypast.com. Apparently he married an Mary Ann Turner in Ontario.
My father is from the Hull area and his Kemp line comes from near Spilsby in Lincolnshire.
It's all a bit of a mess. The link is quite strong, a 4th-6th cousin marked as High Confidence by Ancestry.
Unfortunately Franklin is also quite a common name in the Spilsby area. And, to make matters more complicated, my great great grandfather Kemp - who was from Spilsby - married a woman called Turner.
So the link could be via any of these routes, and the names are quite common.
I'm confident of the Kemp male line back to Spilsby as we have DNA links relatives in the US via Spilsby Kemps.
So I'm trying to figure whether the Franklins of Barrow on Humber entered my father's line through his mother's family - which is Rhodes and Owen. One of the Owens, a James Owen, lived in Clee in 1851. He was a master mariner. He married a lady called Morris.
Regards Robert Kemp
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Robert, Welcome to Rootschat. You need to remove your E mail address, as this is not allowed.
The only way to be sure of your family line is to research it and follow it backwards, sadly there are no shortcuts via DNA or other people's tree's. Yes use them as a hint but not as fact, the birth date most of the online tree's has for Richard Franklin, 18th March 1832, has no source attached. Looking at the baptism register for Barrow in 1832 , yes there is one baptism on this date but for a girl called Hannah Bell.
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=514347&iid=37809
A 4th or 6th cousin means you share quite distant great grandfathers, so not close at all really.
If you need any help with your tree, there are lots on here who are more than willing to assist. Forget the DNA for the moment- get some facts under your belt and see where you go from there ;)