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Title: missing birth records
Post by: greli on Wednesday 09 November 16 17:41 GMT (UK)
Hello
Can anyone help with missing birth records please.
My gggrandfather was born in Brixton surrey 1846 but there doesn't seem to be a record of his birth.  His name was Samuel Rowley. His father was William Rowley 1821  and his mother was Sarah.
Many thanks
Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: LizzieW on Wednesday 09 November 16 17:46 GMT (UK)
His birth may not be registered many weren't at that time, or perhaps it's registered in his mother's maiden name.  When did his parents marry?
Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: greli on Wednesday 09 November 16 18:16 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your reply .There is a marriage record for a William Rowley and Sarah Willmott who were widow and widower when they married 1847. I am not certain that it is the correct one. 
Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: taffie01 on Wednesday 09 November 16 18:36 GMT (UK)
do you have the marriage cert? the place of marriage could just be a possible place of baptism.

If you can find a baptism for Samuel it may have his date of birth recorded, some vicars did add extra info so it is worth a try.

good luck
taffie
Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 09 November 16 18:45 GMT (UK)
Hi is this the family in 1851?

William Rowley 1821 occ Carpenter & Journeyman b Kent or Hants
Sarah 1817 Leicestershire
William 1844
Samuel 1846
Mary 1849
All children born Tulse Hill
Census ref HO107/1575/246/8

The marriage you show has William occ Carman

In 1841 William could be the 20 year old Carpenter Apprentice in Lambeth
Census ref HO107/1054/ 6/37 / 9
Keyboard86
Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: greli on Wednesday 09 November 16 18:55 GMT (UK)
Hi  Yes it is the family. I have gained my info from censuses.

thanks
Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: MaureeninNY on Wednesday 09 November 16 18:58 GMT (UK)
Just going by siblings births from the GRO index her mn was TYRRELL. Marriage looks to be 1842 Lambeth.

I don't see a registration for Samuel,though.

Maureen
Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: keyboard86 on Wednesday 09 November 16 18:59 GMT (UK)
 :) A word of advice, never trust your research on census alone  ;D

The change of occupation from a Carman in Stepney to a Carpenter in Lambeth suggests that is the incorrect marriage you supplied?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: Christine53 on Wednesday 09 November 16 20:49 GMT (UK)
There are 2 Rowley ( mother Tyrrell ) births in Lambeth in 1847 :

Abraham A-J 1847 Lambeth v 4 p218
Isaac      ( identical reference )

Abraham Rowley died A-J 1847 Lambeth v4 p170 but I can't see any further mention of Isaac.



Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: MaureeninNY on Wednesday 09 November 16 20:52 GMT (UK)
Deaths for both twins show up on FreeBMD-June Qtr 1847. :'(

Maureen
Title: Re: missing birth records
Post by: greli on Thursday 10 November 16 19:21 GMT (UK)
Hi

 many thanks to all who have helped with my post re Samuel Rowley missing birth records. I have learned a lot from your replies. I knew nothing about the name Tyrell and the twin sons. Samuel is still elusive but I will keep trying. I have more info to work with now.

Greli