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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: NZpaterson on Tuesday 08 November 16 19:00 GMT (UK)
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William Mooney 1854–1939 who married Margaret McGahan on May 24, 1880. They had 16 children in 21 years. He died in 1939 in Pukekohe, Auckland, at the age of 85.
I am seeking further information about Th Mooney family and where exactly he came from. His' son's service records place him as being from Ireland although this William had recored on their marriage certificate that he was born in Drury NZ. This doesn't feel right.... can anyone help please. :-)
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His obituary........
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19390906.2.103?query=william%20mooney
Minniehaha.
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Obituaries for wife Margaret.......
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19300109.2.130?query=margaret%20mooney
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19300109.2.194?query=margaret%20mooney
Minniehaha.
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Death registration & obituary confirm William died at age 89........
1939/16639 Mooney William 89Y
Minniehaha.
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The above age at death fits with the arrival of this William Mooney age 24 in 1874 aboard the Zealandia,he was bracketed with a Joseph Keogh aged 26
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DWY7-KCJ?i=16&wc=MP7N-DPV%3A119035001%2C119037202%2C119178901%3Fcc%3D1609792&cc=1609792
Cheers Janette
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A description of the ship, voyage and list of passengers for the 'Zealandia'........
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18741016.2.3.4?query=zealandia
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18741024.2.18?query=zealandia
[You will find William Mooney listed under "Single Men"]
Minniehaha.
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I am seeking further information about Th Mooney family and where exactly he came from. His' son's service records place him as being from Ireland although this William had recored on their marriage certificate that he was born in Drury NZ. This doesn't feel right.... can anyone help please. :-)
Hi NZpaterson
Mmm ... what doesn't seem right is that if this William MOONEY married (Margaret McGAHAN) on
24 May 1880... then his birthplace would NOT have been recorded on his marriage certificate. ???
It wasn't until October of the year 1880, following a law change, that provision was made to record additional data such as birthplaces of the contracting couple, names of parents, occupation of fathers, etc. on marriage certificates. Do you have a copy of the marriage record ??
~ Lu
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Hi again
I see you have a tree at ancestry ... and a message board post showing that you know William was possibly from Queens Co. Ireland.
Mmm ... large family ... a bit surprised that no one else is researching it. ;)
I tried to follow up on the Joseph KEOGH whom William was bracketed with on the passenger list. Quite often when you see things like this, it can mean that the people concerned are related to each other. [There are lots of instances where young lads - Irish and English especially - who were cousins, took advantage of immigration schemes in the lands "downunder" to make better lives for themselves. ] But no luck so far with finding this Joseph KEOGH ???
~ Lu
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His obituary (reply #1) states birth place as being King's County, Ireland.
Minniehaha.
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This may be the arrival of the McGahan* family in New Zealand?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-62N2-95?i=21&wc=MP7K-V61%3A119035001%2C119037202%2C119332701%3Fcc%3D1609792&cc=1609792
Newspaper report of the voyage and passenger list:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18740606.2.4.1?query=rooparell
*Margaret is 16, not 13 as mentioned in the obituary. Her father Bernard is not mentioned, but on the other hand I have not found his death in New Zealand. Margaret from "Armagh" in obituary and "Omagh" in the manifest of the 'Rooparell'
Minniehaha.
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Oh My goodness, thank you all for joining in our search. I went off to work and came home to all this wonderful research and reading. Yes I am surprised there are not more family searching however I shall, with help, make progress for the family.
You are so right.... it wasn't Drury as his birth on the marriage certificate. It was recorded as that on the daughter, Ida Jospehine's (the younger of twins) (my great grandmother's), birth certificate. Which I do have.
I have the marriage cert, it says they were married in Drury, catholic church. I have searched Drury online to see if anything else came up about the family. Not much that is easy to find. I did have Margaret's Obituary, which was very useful, but not Williams I don't think. so THANKS.
I will now go and read the other records. Oh to find out about his siblings and their parents, etc. thank you.
My son was told by a physio that he has Irish hips - only Irish people have this shaped bone... so now we know where the Irish is! :-)
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The marriage cert places his age as 26 in 1880
Ida Josephine's birth certificate places his age as 37 in 1891
both suggest he was born in 1854
So the shipping record has him 4 years older than he would have been?
I'm sure there was another William Mooney as there was one living in Waihi at the same time as our William was in Waikato/Auckland area.
http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE10768517
This places William as having been in NZ 37 Years from the date this was written....on 11/04/1917 so that means he came around 1880 aye?
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aha, I see I have more children on my tree than she had listed in her obituary, even if some had predeceased her I still think I have a lot of checking to do there now. Darn it.
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I have the marriage cert, it says they were married in Drury, catholic church.
Hello again
* Are the names of the witnesses to the marriage, on that cert. ??
~ Lu
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... maybe more importantly ;D ... do you have the death record for William MOONEY ?
~ Lu
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Hello Lucy2,
No there are no names of witness's on the marriage certificate.
I don't have his death record either. There are lots of mysteries here.
Thanks
Totally appreciating this support. :-)
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Hello Lucy2,
No there are no names of witness's on the marriage certificate.
Ah ... I'm guessing you have a transcription of the marriage record in the form of a certificate ??
[These don't make provision for including the witnesses names, unfortunately. Sometimes witnesses names can be of help when we have nothing much else to go on - i.e. it gives us another "avenue" to go down. ;) ]
* I would suggest though that you purchase the death record (printout*) for William MOONEY - 1939 ... it may just contain something additional ? [*A "printout" is the recommended purchase - it's an image of the registry entry (as opposed to a certificate which has transcribed information) - also it's a less costly option. ]
~ Lu