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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) => Topic started by: Mary G. on Sunday 24 July 05 19:12 BST (UK)
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My husband's family are Bertrams from East Lothian, who came to Canada in a trickle between 1860 and 1900 (9 surviving children from one generation and ultimately their parents eventually ended up in Ontario). Anyone else researching this name?
His 2G grandfather was Hugh Bertram, who was the farm stewart for George Hope's farm, Fenton Barns, near Dirleton. Prior generations were from Whitekirk, Aberlady etc.
Other surnames in the line include Mack, Walker, Lamb, Dudgeon, Johnstone and possibly Murray.
Mary G.
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Hi Mary, Any chance that you would have had an Alexander BERTRAM who md. Janet GRINLAW/LEY and was school teacher in Garvald ELN for some time. Cheers Ruth
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Do you have a time frame for your Alexander? I have a number of them, and don't know all their wives. For example, I have an Alexander Garibaldi Bertram, born in Athelstaneford in 1863, son of David Craig Bertram and Mary Hogg, and I know he was a teacher (he shows up in the 1881 census as a student teacher).
Mary (drowning in Bertrams from East Lothian!)
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Alexander was born about 1721 and died 1801 aged 80 in Garvald and is buried there. His first wife was Janet Harley. Perhaps a bit early? Cheers Ruth
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I see a Merilyn Pedrick from South Australia has him in a pedigree resource file on the mormon site. Wonder who his parents were? The oldest pair I've got in my line that I can hang my hat on is a James Bertram and Mary Murray who were probably married about 1733 - they were in the same vicinity - Aberlady, Whitekirk etc.
Mary G.
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Thanks Mary. I've contacted Merilyn P. - she put me in contact with one of my mother's first cousins several years ago which is a pretty wonderful thing. I'm transcribing Garvald OPRs and see Alexander's name popping up everywhere as witness but haven't found a definite birth for him (in that area anyway). Cheers Ruth
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My husband's family are Bertrams from East Lothian, who came to Canada in a trickle between 1860 and 1900 (9 surviving children from one generation and ultimately their parents eventually ended up in Ontario). Anyone else researching this name? Mary G.
Hi Mary
In my Burnside family line I have
Jean Burnside b1782 Haddington married 1807 at Garvald to Peter Bertram babt1781 Garvald.
Do these names ring any bells with you?
I have nothing beyond Peter Bertram unfortunately.
Happy to share any useful info I have.
Fiona
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Hi Mary,
I've just spotted this post.
Have lots of info on Bertrams and Hopes.
What were you looking for?
Regards
Angus
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Pity this thread seems to have petered out. I'm not descended from Bertrams, but my 4 x great-grandfather Joseph Stephenson is buried in Yester churchyard in Gifford, and the adjacent headstone is for William Bertram who died in 1798 aged 49. He may be the son of the James Bertram and Mary Murray mentioned above.
My Joseph Stephenson had a nephew also called Joseph Stephenson, surgeon in Duns, who married an Isabella Bertram from Cranshaws in Berwickshire, where Bertrams farmed for hundreds of years. Their son John Bertram Stephenson became a chemist in George Street, Edinburgh.
Harry
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Hello all,
I am also interested in this thread.
I'm specifcally researching the surname Bertram. But, other surnames around this period include Hope, Dudgeon, Summerbell, Allen and Liddell.
These various families are currently located within the Border Counties of Scotland but a migration seems apparent for the Bertrams.
If anyone is interested in possibly collaborating and connected please let me know.
Also hdw, do you happen know more information on the farmers in Berwickshire? I know that Thomas Bertram was an owner within the mid 1700s. I'm trying to find out more information about Bertrams in specifically Berwickshire.
Take care,
Sam Bertram
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I haven't researched the BERTRAMS in a systematic fashion, being mainly interested in their connection with my STEPHENSONS, but here for what it's worth is a page of rough notes on the surname in East Lothian and Berwickshire (attachment).
John Hutton Browne's Glimpses into the Past in Lammermuir was reprinted in 1998 by Alba Press of Jedburgh.
If you can get your hands on copies of the Scottish Genealogy Society Berwickshire Monumental Inscriptions volumes, you'll find lots of BERTRAM entries, esp. for Cranshaws churchyard.
Best wishes,
Harry
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We are Bertrams from East Lothian. My husband's 2G grandfather was Hugh Bertram, farm steward at Fenton Barns, the farm of George Hope, near Dirleton. Hugh (born 1809 in Dirleton) was the son of John Bertram and Ann Walker of Whitekirk and Dirleton respectively. Hugh married Isabella Mack in Dirleton in 1835. His 9 surviving children emigrated in a slow 30 year trickle to Canada starting in 1860. He and Isabella came as well in the 1880's.
Two sons, George and John ended up as federal MPs.
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Hello,
I have been researching the Tait forebears of my husband in Northumberland. For several generations they have been farm workers in the Ancroft, Kyloe and Goswick areas near Holy Island. I am now seeking the family of Thomas Tait, born in 1803 and shows his birthplace as Berwick Scotland.
One possibility I am checking is that he was the son of John Tait and Margaret Bertram (Bartram) married in Humbie, East Lothian in 1803.
There are other possibilities that I am exploring, but I wondered if anyone had encountered this couple in their searches?
Many thanks,
Eileen
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Do any of you have Jessie Craig Bertram in your files? She was the daughter of Robert Bertram and Allison Cockburn Bertram. She was born February 24, 1885 in Ormiston; married David Thomson Amos on the 22nd of June, 1906 at Pardovan in Cranstoun.