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Hello All
I've had a bit of shock after reading a document of 1941, which mentions Byefield Wistow Road Selby.
A Jake Hood is also mentioned and possibly dead? ... Jake Hood's scrap book and photo album ... are with a family member.
Jake Hood could also have lived and/or died in other parts of the world.
Earliest photography of people began about circa 1838.
Regards Mark
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This isn't easy to follow. What is the "1941 document" that you refer to?
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Is this post linked to either of these Hood posts
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg6089897#msg6089897
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758559.msg6089554#msg6089554
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The name 'Jake Hood' is only showing in more recent BMDs here in England, but there were quite a few in America in the late 1800's -early 1900's
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This isn't easy to follow. What is the "1941 document" that you refer to?
I think what is being referred to is the will of Edwin Casson Hood, from the 1942 probate index. Posts #67 & 71: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.63
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Is this post linked to either of these Hood posts
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744970.msg6089897#msg6089897
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=758559.msg6089554#msg6089554
Hi Carole
Its nearest link is the Jane Casson Hood thread, do you want this new question posted there, as a reply?
Thanks Claire
Regards Mark
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Jake could be Jacob.
Added: Just looking at the 1851 census, and this could be interesting:
Garth Heads, All Saints, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
Margaret Cairns Head W Female 69 born Benton, Northumberland
Henry Cairns Son Unmarried Male 32 Brewery Agent born Mitford, Northumberland,
Jacob Hood Nephew Unmarried Male 27 Brewery Traveller born Monkwearmouth
I was looking through some Hood & Cook Navy records earlier and I'm sure I came across one born Mitford. Will need to go back over.
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Oh my goodness ~ Cairns is my maiden name ~ my family were up there then :o
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Oh my goodness ~ Cairns is my maiden name ~ my family were up there then :o
:o ;D ;D
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St Andrews Newcastle upon Tyne page 289
Baptisms 7th Feb 1832
James Smith Hood
Father Jakeq Hood & Mother Ann Hood
Abode Gateshead
Occupation Merchant
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67F3-VPN?i=383&wc=9K5S-MNL%3A13617901%2C27617101%2C27881101%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
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Father Jakeq & Mother Ann Hood
I read that as Jabez Hood, who I believe has been covered on other posts. What do others think?
Also cant find any further trace of my Jacob from 1851 & wondering if the surname is actually Wood :-\
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I can't even find Margaret Cairns yet ;D
I have to agree, I think it does look rather like Jabez.
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67F3-L63?i=204&wc=9K5S-MNL%3A13617901%2C27617101%2C27881101%3Fcc%3D1309819&cc=1309819
another John
Dad Jakeq
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Rather ironic there's a Gibson baptism right beneath it ;D
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I can't even find Margaret Cairns yet ;D
I have to agree, I think it does look rather like Jabez.
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Jake could be Jacob.
Added: Just looking at the 1851 census, and this could be interesting:
Garth Heads, All Saints, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
Margaret Cairns Head W Female 69 born Benton, Northumberland
Henry Cairns Son Unmarried Male 32 Brewery Agent born Mitford, Northumberland,
Jacob Hood Nephew Unmarried Male 27 Brewery Traveller born Monkwearmouth
I was looking through some Hood & Cook Navy records earlier and I'm sure I came across one born Mitford. Will need to go back over.
Hi All
Thanks for replies.
Yes, Jake can be Jacob.
It is only typed twice as "Jake Hood".
Jake Hood, Murdered in U.S.A.?
South Wales Echo, 2nd September 1886
5,000 Dollars Reward.
Jake Hood killed at a place they called "Nugget Gulch" referring to mining "yellow metal" [gold?], seems to be, being told as a type of story, so can't make out if real, or not? They are after a chap called Devries for murder, but he hears of their proposed attempt to apprehend him and kills Jake Hood in his tent.
Old Wills and Family Papers in my Possession
The Will Copy of Jane Hood of Brayton near Selby, written in 1893, proved 1894 confirms she has shares in the Pennsylvanian Railway, so possibly a USA connection?
I've wondered why Jane Hood, nee Casson (the Widow of William Hood of Selby) had these shares in an American Railway Company.
I wonder if this newspaper story, is a report (in American gung-ho fashion) of the circumstances surrounding Jake Hood's death?
Newspaper article here ...
https://newspapers.library.in.gov/cgi-bin/indiana?a=d&d=GB18870707-01.1.2
When the newspaper window opens look for and press + sign in corner of window, it goes to the page and look for column titled "$5,000 Reward."
Regards Mark
Can his death be confirmed officially on any of the family history sites and does it give his, age, birthplace and parentage, please?
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Cant help with that newspaper item, but could this be connected:
23 August 1885 - Warren Sunday Mirror - Warren, Pennsylvania, United States
Jake Hood, of Tyronville, Crawford County, is visiting his brother George of this place.
Unfortunately I cant find any further reference to Tyronville, but this may be his grave. Following the links through parents it goes back to Ireland though :-\
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=14837105
The name Hood seems to go back a fair number of years in Pennsylvania, including several in the Quaker records.
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6DS9-6ZV?i=1650&wc=92KM-B8S%3A518819101%2C518819102%2C519789801%3Fcc%3D1438024&cc=1438024
Jake Hood 1870 Male 34 White 1835-1836 England 4
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6DS9-6ZV?i=1650&wc=92KM-B8S%3A518819101%2C518819102%2C519789801%3Fcc%3D1438024&cc=1438024
Jake Hood 1870 Male 34 White 1835-1836 England 4
Hello All
Thanks dobfarm, Jomot and thanks for all replies.
Age at last Birthday 34.
Be interesting to find out, if this murder is more than a story and if any Death Certificate / enquiry, gives anything else, about Jake's origin?
Kind regards Mark
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- Those "Jakeq" items are definitely Jabez
- The "Jake" Hood in New York in the 1870 census looks to me like John Hood. It's certainly John Hood in the 2nd Enumeration
- the Nugget Gulch story is just that - a work of fiction!
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Hello All
I've seen the word Gulch referred to before in Mining Books, regarding the 19th Century US Gold Rush.
A member of the Stanley family called theirs "Last Chance Gulch".
http://www.nuneatonlives.co.uk/reginald-stanley/
There is a partial shipping document to New York featured here
http://www.reginaldstanley.com/american-adventures-.php
Place called 'Alder Gulch' here
http://www.reginaldstanley.com/searching-for-gold-in-montana-.php
So a prospectors/miners site they called 'Nugget Gulch' is highly possible.
Regards Mark
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So a prospectors/miners site they called 'Nugget Gulch' is highly possible.
It's just a story. Lots of papers ran fictional tales like this in amongst their news coverage.
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Someone on Anc* has a couple of photo's labelled as John Hood (Jake) 1919-1944. I don't think this is 'your' Jake, but its worth bearing in mind that Jake could just be a name by which someone was known within the family.
Was the address you mentioned in connection with Jake or someone else? It doesn't seem to have been occupied by a Hood in 1939.
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Hello All
In the Lichfield Mercury 4th February 1898, they have a column entitled:-
The Klondyke Goldfields.
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The Mother Lode Found.
The "Daily News" correspondent, writing at
Victoria (B.C.), on January 11th, says:- The mother
lode of the Klondyke goldfields has been discovered,
and quartz mining on the Upper Yukon is assured
as a permanency! ...
I have managed to get this extract on my screen for a save and "Nugget Gulch" is definitely a place.
As for the Jake Hood newspaper story and whether it is based on any truth, remains to be seen.
In 1941 Edwin C Hood, definitely refers to Byefield Lodge, Selby and items of "Jake Hood".
Regards Mark
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Before you take it too far, Jack (Jak) is common as a family name for John and Jim for James. (Bob for Robert and Bill-Billy for William)
Jacobus was another old name for James
Jacob = James
Jac -Jaq (sound's Sh'ac) for a short - of a French first name
1941 long time after 1786 (or before)-- Through William son of George Hood d 1845 (Esti circa born 1783 to 1791)
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Bushin1746 discusses that he has a copy of the Will of Jane Casson Hood.
Is this the same seven piece document that Anc* have in their "Pennsylvanian Will and Probate Records" - dated c1896.
Is it the same woman or just a coincidence ? I haven't a world sub so can't elaborate further :-\
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Looks like the same woman - Jane Casson Hood of West Field in the parish of Brayton. Appoints her son Edwin Hood and daughter Marion the wife of George Scaum of Pontefract as trustees. Mentions money she has previously lent to another son, Alfred, out of her Uncle Peacocks estate.
Cover states Testamentary Documents for use with the Pennsylvania Rail Road Company.
Filed April 30 1896
Added: The will also mentions a Tea Caddy left to Edwin, along with 'my own scrap book'. Wasn't there a mention of a tea caddy or something on the first post, which seems to have been amended?
Added: She also leaves him her photographic album.
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Are you sure the "1941 document" says Jake Hood? Not Jane Hood ?
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The Pennsylvania Railroad Company have a website with online archives to browse.. One such title " Hood and sons H.P", It is a photograph, but maybe a lead
http://rrmuseumpa.andornot.com/list?q=Hood&p=1&ps=20
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There is also a publication written by JM Hood:
http://rrmuseumpa.andornot.com/list?p=1&q=name_facet%3a(%22Hood%2c+J.+M.%22)
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Colonel John Mifflin Hood was an engineer who became President of the Western Maryland Railroad Company circa 1870
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mifflin_Hood
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The will also mentions a Tea Caddy left to Edwin, along with 'my own scrap book'.
Jane Casson Hood's will also mentions her photographic album.
So I think "Jake" must surely be a misreading of "Jane".
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Thanks Shaun (this refers to the JM Hood reference - the bit below must have crossed with your next post).
Given that Jane Casson Hood's will mentions leaving her scrap book and photograph album to Edwin, and Edwin's will mentions a scrap book & photograph album belonging to 'Jake', I tend to agree that we really need to be certain that "Jake" isn't in fact 'Jane'.
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I agree Jane or Jake, it seems more likely to be Jane although Bushin1746 states it mentions 'Jake' a couple of times in the document he has.
Jomot - the Quaker Hoods you mention in Pennsylvania maybe related to the Hoods mentioned in a book on archive.org - "The Genealogy of Dunwoody and Hood Families".
Very detailed book in which the Hoods left Castle Donington, Leicestershire c1690 for Pennsylvania.
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I agree Jane or Jake, it seems more likely to be Jane although Bushin1746 states it mentions 'Jake' a couple of times in the document he has.
Jomot - the Quaker Hoods you mention in Pennsylvania maybe related to the Hoods mentioned in a book on archive.org - "The Genealogy of Dunwoody and Hood Families".
Very detailed book in which the Hoods left Castle Donington, Leicestershire c1690 for Pennsylvania.
We seem to keep going back to Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire, Leicestershire
George Hood bapt 1791 LOUGHBOROUGH Leicestershire
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6088115#msg6088115
reply #400
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~quakers/qq7-97.htm
Sun Jul 6 09:01:51 1997
Richard P. Taylor (Same chap in Ancestry private tree says George Hood born 1791 -d 1845 )
I am searching for information on Sarah HOOD (nee ARUNDEL) and her ancestors. Sarah was born 15th February 1831 at Selby, Yorkshire, England. Her father was John ARUNDEL. Sarah married James HOOD at Selby Abbey on 27-12-1851 and they subsequently moved to Derby, England with their 9 children. Sarah died at Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England on 22-08-1911 and was buried in the Quaker burial ground. For my genealogy program, I would wish to find the date of burial, this is proving difficult. Also the burial ground is now a supermarket car park!! Any information on the HOOD's or ARUNDEL's of Selby would be appreciated.
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Sarah Arundal daughter of Mary Arundal (Later Mrs Mary Wilkinson) (A George Hood living in George Wilkinson's property 1813 Knottingley ? Land tax )
Born
15 February 1831
Bapt
18 February 1831
WESLEYAN, SELBY, YORK, ENGLAND
James (Quaker ?) & Sarah Hood Ford Street St Werburg Derby 1891c
Widow Sarah (nee Arundal )Hood born Selby 1901c and 1911c Mansfield
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The will also mentions a Tea Caddy left to Edwin, along with 'my own scrap book'.
Jane Casson Hood's will also mentions her photographic album.
So I think "Jake" must surely be a misreading of "Jane".
Thank you all for the replies.
How could I be so unlucky to get a name, whereby hitting a wrong letter, gave another name Jake.
Jane
Jake
Jade
Jame (but leading a reader to think s was missing)
Oh Jape!
Regards Mark
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Jame (James) ? (or Jake-Jac/Jak for Jacob = James) Biblical Quaker everyday name for James
Quakers ?
Sarah nee Russel - Hood died 1879 (left no Will [family wealth with her ?] ) virtually where the Quaker burial ground is in Selby with her known Quaker daughter in law (wife of the late William Hood) present at death -who was intern herself later buried in Selby Quaker ground.
James Hood's wife Sarah (nee illegitimate Arundal a Wesleyan bapt)) buried Quaker burial ground Mansfield 1911 (As link above)
QU ! was any of James's children Quaker births or burials or James Hood burial
(Bed linen and silver spoons were important items in Wills 16th to 18th/early 19th centuries but unusual in the 20th century Wills indicating Quaker ideology values (Old fashioned but like Jews knew about handling money)
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Hello All
Thanks for that summary dobfarm.
I'm not a Quaker, but in our family John is known as Jack, definitely.
Jake seems to be Jacob, but Quakers might have a different alias.
Re shares in London Transport Company, I've been searching all Jacob Hoods in the newspaper Archive, there is a 19th Cent Hood with shares in Railway Companies, in England and also a Parliamentary challenge by a HOOD over two Railway Bills.
However, shareholder Hood, has managed to restrict his/her name to just "Hood", whereas with the other names, their names are given, or at least (Sir, or Mr or Miss or Mrs) along with initials and surname.
Photo of Quaker Burial Ground - Selby
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3798170
A headstone can be seen, right of the right tree.
It is almost likely Edwin would have followed in the footsteps of his father William Hood of Selby (d.1870, aged 54), a Quaker.
James Hood was a Quaker, who married Sarah Arundel. I've already traced newspaper death notices of both and the newspaper piece of James Hood Inquest, how Sarah did not swear Oath, before the Coroner's Court, (a tell-tale sign the person may be a Quaker).
George Hood of Selby (died 1862) who married Ann Marrison, born [CORRECTION] BLYTH, Nottinghamshire (per 1861 Selby Census), I seem to think someone on Rootschat thought Ann was/might be a Quaker?
Edwin, son of William Hood has mentioned Ackworth School, definitely a Quaker School.
We've already found some of the Hood of Selby grandchildren in the Ackworth School admissions book (online, free download).
However, George Hood (died Sept 1845) is not in The Annual Monitor (Soc. of Friends) listing Obits and names of their members, so assuming my George Hood was not a Quaker.
Regards Mark
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Re Jane Hood's ownership of Pennsylvania Railroad shares, this was a fairly commonplace investment for the British public. See https://goo.gl/kBxFzk
"By 1885 the British had invested more in American Railroads than in national debt"
"By 1890 foreign investors controlled more than half of the PRR's stock"
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I checked the Selby burial ground this back in May this year, there are a couple of very old 1600's head stones (No Hood's or other known surnames linked to Hood's) but what look like headstone shaped boards on the fence behind the building a just that !! plain boards with no writing on them.
Quote Mark
George Hood of Selby (died 1862) who married Ann Marrison, born Thorne (per 1861 Selby Census), I seem to think someone on Rootschat thought Ann was/might be a Quaker?
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I would push hard on this !!! to see if George Hood d 1862 had Quaker links meaning 3 known sons associated to Quakers and possible daughters of George Hood senior died 1845.
QU - George Hood senior died 1845 a possible Quaker and Sarah Russel C of E hence the Anglican baptisms of her children
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I can't see an Ann Marrison in the Quaker records at all, I can't find a baptism full stop.
Although there are quite a few Quaker records for a Marrison family in Fishlake, but a lot earlier. Is Fishlake quite near Thorne?
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A general search of any Quakers born in Selby has thrown up a COOK(E) family born c1750, including an Elizabeth, William and Thomas children of a William and Mary.
EDIT: All three children had died by c1785, although a Samuel Cook witnesses at one.
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George Hood of Selby (died 1862) who married Ann Marrison, born Thorne (per 1861 Selby Census), I seem to think someone on Rootschat thought Ann was/might be a Quaker?
Unless I'm looking at the wrong Ann married to George in 1861, her place of birth is Blyth, Nottinghamshire. There is a matching baptism in Blyth 24 Jul 1826 d/o William & Mary.
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No wonder I couldn't see her :D
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744625.msg5916427#msg5916427
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6081900#msg6081900
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5801795#msg5801795
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I checked the Selby burial ground this back in May this year, there are a couple of very old 1600's head stones (No Hood's or other known surnames linked to Hood's) but what look like headstone shaped boards on the fence behind the building a just that !! plain boards with no writing on them.
Quote Mark
George Hood of Selby (died 1862) who married Ann Marrison, born [Correction] BLYTH, Nottinghamshire (per 1861 Selby Census), I seem to think someone on Rootschat thought Ann was/might be a Quaker?
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I would push hard on this !!! to see if George Hood d 1862 had Quaker links meaning 3 known sons associated to Quakers and possible daughters of George Hood senior died 1845.
QU - George Hood senior died 1845 a possible Quaker and Sarah Russel C of E hence the Anglican baptisms of her children
Hello All
Thank you.
Was interested Shaun in that book, which mentioned that nearly half the shares of the Pennsylvanian Railway were owned by shareholders here.
Very sorry, Ann Hood (nee Marrison) was born Blyth, Nottinghamshire, per 1861 Census, I've corrected my post and taken the liberty of correcting the quote here.
Marriage 6th December 1855
George Hood 32 years Bachelor, Farmer, Married Ann Marrison 28 years Spinster, at Selby Parish Church, by Licence.
James Hood and Sarah Hood were witnesses.
Fathers were:-
George Hood, Brewer.
William Marrison, Stonemason.
If nothing comes from the research I've ordered at Newcastle ...
Rather than just accept, that there is no Quaker George Hood baptism, or September 1845 burial, I will likely wish to see these Selby Quaker births, marriages and deaths generally, plus the Selby meeting records, just in case there are other Hoods mentioned and the meeting/s have references to Hoods & burial/s elsewhere.
Fishlake is West of Thorne and I have Cockins around that area too!
Thank you, Mark
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First thing I've found in Quaker records is one Cockin family. One child a John COCKIN born Doncaster 27 May 1782. Father Richard a breeches maker and Deborah his wife.
Lots of children; Ann, Hannah, Ellen, Richard, Deborah, Lucy, Joseph and Mary - No James unfortunately :-\
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Hi, :) I seem to remember on one of the numerous threads regarding the elusive George hood burial that there was a mention of Quakers and a possible link to the "Casson"? family of Thorne near Doncaster, It's no doubt a long shot, but, there was numerous members of the Casson family who were Quakers, these were all buried in the Quaker burial ground (long overgrown) at Thorne.
It just makes me wonder if George could have been buried there ::) .................................................................................................. Wherever he is, he's doing a bl**dy good job of keeping it a secret ;D
Frank.
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Hi All
Thanks for the replies. Frank, I'm just as frustrated re my Ol' secretive George.
oil painting of Burns
Edwin Hood will written in 1941, mentions an "oil painting of Burns"
Sounds like this might be Robert Burns, or it could also be a family ancestor with the same surname.
Regarding the "oil painting of Burns" Edwin could have:-
i) been left this or
ii) purchased it or
iii) acquired it, via his father William Hood, being the first-born son of George and Sarah Hood
iv) been given it from a sideways relative, or other relative.
Going back to the suggestion, that my George Hood came from Gateshead / Newcastle.
Robert Burns and Thomas Hood
I found this regarding Thomas Hood and Robert Burns online ...
THOMAS HOOD
Accompanied Burns and Ker into England, on the Border tour, after the poet had parted from Ainslie, who returned to Edinburgh.
Burns described Ker and Hood in a letter to Ainslie from Newcastle, 29th May 1787:
'Old Mr Tho Hood has been persuaded to join or Partie, and Mr Kerr and he do very well, but alas! I dare not talk nonsense lest I lose all the little dignity I have among the sober sons of wisdom and discretion, and I have not had one hearty mouthful of laughter since that merry melancholy moment we parted.
George Hood Gowring Married Violet Burns Hutchinson 1889, Robert Burns Gt. Granddaughter
Also found a George Hood Gowring marrying Violet Burns Hutchinson, at Cheltenham in 1889, she is described in both newspaper extracts as the Great Granddaughter of Robert Burns.
Robert Burns died intestate in 1796.
Regards Mark
EDIT: I made a couple of enquiries to those involved in Robert Burns history/research and waiting to hear.
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It could be ? " an oil painting by Burns" (an Artist) considering the value of the estate, though the total estate was quite a value for those years, I think an original painting of Burns the poet would be of far greater value in its own right. (Like super rich American art & poet lovers market - Yanks go crackers over anything - Rabbie Burns )
Example
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13114762.Unknown_portrait_of_Robert_Burns_discovered_at_auction/
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Hello All
Thanks for that link dobfarm.
The Burns Museum replied today, but cannot find any reference in their records for Thomas Hood. It will be interesting what the other replies say.
Thanks for trying to all those who checked information and contributed.
The Newcastle burial checks, could take up to 6 weeks, before I get a reply.
Thank you.
Kind regards, Mark
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interesting
John Hood X Janet Burns
marriage 17 February 1758
Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland
Just up the coast from Ayr and Alloway
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It seems Thomas Hood was a farmer at Mount Pleasant (West of Paxton) nr Berwick upon tweed
visiting Alnwick and Newcastle
http://www.dunsehistorysociety.co.uk/burns.shtml
Paxton Alnwick and Newcastle ring bells
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interesting
John Hood X Janet Burns
marriage 17 February 1758
Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland
Just up the coast from Ayr and Alloway
Hello
Thanks dobfarm.
Re: Robert Burns, it says online he signed his name Robert Burness.
His parents were, William Burnes and Agnes Broun - online reference.
Broun, was an alias of Brown.
Rather than drive Rootchatters mad, checking scenarios (partial trees) looking for a possible fit, I want to take a break please and attempt to find George Hood's burial place, as I need to see where he was buried and what the Burial Register says and also check any surviving headstone.
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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interesting
John Hood X Janet Burns
marriage 17 February 1758
Kilwinning, Ayr, Scotland
Just up the coast from Ayr and Alloway
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It seems Thomas Hood was a farmer at Mount Pleasant (West of Paxton) nr Berwick upon tweed
visiting Alnwick and Newcastle
http://www.dunsehistorysociety.co.uk/burns.shtml
Paxton Alnwick and Newcastle ring bells
Hello All
Thanks dobfarm.
Yes, Hoods obviously at Newcastle and if I recall correctly at those other places.
I wonder if there is any clue in this reference to the painting of Burns, but after George Hood's lack of clues so far, it needs to be treated with caution.
I don't want anyone losing any sleep over this, though!
Edwin Paxton Hood was an English nonconformist and author. He lived for a while, at a place just outside York.
When I was about 5, I recall a big discussion about Scottish history and my Grandmother Hood claimed we were Scottish.
The Hoods that came from Scotland attempted to reach London, but populated places on the route, such as Northumberland, Yorkshire etc.
Thank you.
Regards Mark
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Paxton I referred is a place 5 miles west of Berwick upon tweed and another 5 miles to Mount Pleasant from Paxton village just over the border in Scotland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimmerghame_House
note:- Scottish border (Vertical for a short distance) near Paxton on map
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Paxton+House/@55.7686187,-2.0602534,14.37z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x488746c89eeee865:0x73dd1287d423be69!8m2!3d55.7611686!4d-2.1100333
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Mount+Pleasant+Holiday+Cottages/@55.7443116,-2.23669,12.36z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x48876bdc24bba80d:0x13473bf1b394492f!8m2!3d55.742278!4d-2.314789
Quote Jomot in link
17 Mar 1805 (born 29 Aug 1804) – All Saints – William Robertson 2nd s/o William Robertson Hairdresser by his wife Eleanor d/o Robert Hood, Smith of Paxton, Scotland
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6089148#msg6089148
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Possible Pearson link
This Charles Hood died before census years but his wife Jane Hood nee Pearson a widow seems to have a bob or two as vocation and a servant in the census
Charles Hood X Jane Pearson
11 Jun 1838 All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father's Name John Hood
Spouse's Father's Name John Pearson
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Maybe best let you do some study of the vast info on Rootchat and have that break you mention.
:)
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George Hood Gowring Married Violet Burns Hutchinson 1889, Robert Burns Gt. Granddaughter
Also found a George Hood Gowring marrying Violet Burns Hutchinson, at Cheltenham in 1889, she is described in both newspaper extracts as the Great Granddaughter of Robert Burns.
Robert Burns died intestate in 1796.
Regards Mark
EDIT: I made a couple of enquiries to those involved in Robert Burns history/research and waiting to hear.
Hello All
Thank you for comments.
Don't know where the Hood came from in - George Hood Gowring, but his father George James Gowring married at Sculcoates Church, according to newspapers.
Thank you to Claire, she has found the following information:-
Marriage on 1st August 1889 at All Saints in the Parish of Cheltenham
George Hood Gowring, aged 29, Bachelor, Schoolmaster, Residence Berkhamsted, Father - George James Gowring, Clerk in Holy Orders.
Violet Burns Hutchinson, aged 30, Spinster, Residence Cheltenham, Father - Berkely Westropp Hutchinson (deceased) Surgeon.
I found in the York Herald, 18 April 1857 ...
GOWRING - BRITTON.- On the 14th inst., at Sculcoates Church, Hull, by the Rev. H. W. Kemp, the Rev. G. J. Gowring, M. A., senior curate of St Martin's-in-the-Fields, London, to Lavinia, youngest daughter of the Rev. J. Britton, M. A., late vicar of Great Bardfield, Essex.
An Online Parish Clerk for this couple has noted:-
St. John & All Saints (Kingstone)
Ilminster
Baptised 7th May 1865 Mary Ellen Gowring
Father - George James Gowring
Mother - Lavinia Gowring
George Hood Gowring gave his father as George James Gowring, Clerk in Holy Orders.
Regards Mark
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Possible Pearson link
This Charles Hood died before census years but his wife Jane Hood nee Pearson a widow seems to have a bob or two as vocation and a servant in the census
Charles Hood X Jane Pearson
11 Jun 1838 All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Father's Name John Hood
Spouse's Father's Name John Pearson
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Thanks, shall have to see if this quoted marriage is online at the Library and who the witnesses were?
Regarding that Robert Hood, we ruled him out, for some reason.
Regards Mark
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Regarding the Gowring family. They were London based. George James bpt 8 Jan 1823. Father: John William George Gowring and mother Elizabeth Ann.
Baptism at Newington St Mary, father a school master.
Have managed to trace the family back to the mid 1700s but not sure where the Hood comes into it.
All records are on Anc* LMA collection.
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Thinking Rabbie Burns seems a bit narcissistic or smart dresser wanting his image on canvas being a few unknown images in 1941 in secretive close knit Quaker hands in very possible , Burns thinking this Thomas hood as a worthy person, and Quakers being close in their society of keeping things/possessions within in the family for historic reasons - FH of the family. Maybe worth spending a bit of time on Thomas's descendants as side line project research just for the fun of it. )(A known Hood who met Rabbie Burns) ???. Its also possible the painting came down a maternal wife's line ie :- Casson line. (seem wide spread Quakers ? )
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Hello All
Thanks Claire and dobfarm
Thanks re the Gowring search, sounds like any link (if any), is not via Gowring.
Robert Burns was a dissenter, rebelling against the established church.
Burns was a Freemason.
http://www.grandlodgescotland.com/masonic-subjects/robert-burns
Hopefully we'll know a bit more about Burns acquaintance Thomas Hood, when the other replies come back.
Speaking to my father about a possible Scottish link and he said our Hood origin was Scottish, but how far back/ when, is unknown.
Regards Mark
EDIT:
"Ackworth School was founded in 1779 by John Fothergill on behalf of The Religious Society of Friends ( Quakers) ... "
http://www.ackworthschool.com/about/history/
I wonder if this founder of Ackworth School John Fothergill was an ancestor of John Fothergill the Apothecary / Selby Registrar.
DDCL/2086 (East Riding Record Office)
Conditional surrender relating to the Manor of Snaith and Cowick, 24 October 1828.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_st=adv&_ep=John%20fothergill%20of%20Selby&_dss=range&_ro=any
Grace Fothergill was the wife of William Hood of Kirkbridge.
I never discovered why, in 1844 Hood was the Petitioning Creditor in the John Fothergill of Selby, bankruptcy, e.g. family dispute, a settlement, or a debt.
The Will of Ann Robinson of Selby - 1821 to 1823
Will might be interesting?
And this marriage 12 June 1830 after Banns at Hatfield.
William COCKIN of Snaith married Ann ROBINSON
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William COCKIN of the parish of Snaith bachelor and Ann ROBINSON of this parish (Hatfield) spinster
married after Banns 12 June 1830 by Thomas Fox, minister
William Cockin signed, Ann Robinson left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? -orth and William COOKE
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JOHN FOTHERGILL born and baptized 12 Sept. 1785 Selby ~ First son of Mark Fothergill of Selby, Surgeon and Apothecary ~ son of Francis Fothergill of Aisker near Bedale yeo(man) by Elizabeth his wife dau of William FRankland of Gafforth Gent.
and..
Hannah dau of Joseph Hall of Selby, brickmaker by Elizabeth his wife dau of John Boswell of Carlton in the parish of Snaith, Gent.
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JOHN FOTHERGILL born and baptized 12 Sept. 1785 Selby ~ First son of Mark Fothergill of Selby, Surgeon and Apothecary ~ son of Francis Fothergill of Aisker near Bedale yeo(man) by Elizabeth his wife dau of William FRankland of Gafforth Gent.
and..
Hannah dau of Joseph Hall of Selby, brickmaker by Elizabeth his wife dau of John Boswell of Carlton in the parish of Snaith, Gent.
Hi Claire
Thanks for that reply, that is absolutely brilliant!!
One of FOTHERGILLs mothers is of HOOD descent/linked?
Gafforth should read Yafforth.
WILLIAM HOOD, of Kirkbridge, co. York, and lord of the Manor of West Firsby, co. Lincoln, married Grace, daughter of Francis-Firby Fothergill,* of Aiskew, co. York, and granddaughter of William Frankland, of Trinity College, Cambridge, and lord of the Manor of Yafforth, co. York, and had issue,
I. John, his heir, now of Nettleham.
I. Elizabeth, married to Capt. J. A. Moore, R.N.
II. Grace, married to William Danby, Esq., co. Lincoln.
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* For the history of this ancient family see DRAKE’S History of York, published in 1736.
Fuller Hood descent here (Reply #3) ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=753233.3
Wm Danby's son, rather than take the surname Danby, took his Grandfather's surname of Hood.
I wonder sometimes, if my George Hood has done something similar.
Still waiting for the Newcastle replies, though.
Regards Mark
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William COCKIN of the parish of Snaith bachelor and Ann ROBINSON of this parish (Hatfield) spinster
married after Banns 12 June 1830 by Thomas Fox, minister
William Cockin signed, Ann Robinson left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? -orth and William COOKE
I have posted this on the Cockin thread and will add a link shortly at ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.20
I feel there might be something in his Cookin / Cockin and Robinson?
Regards Mark
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William COCKIN of the parish of Snaith bachelor and Ann ROBINSON of this parish (Hatfield) spinster
married after Banns 12 June 1830 by Thomas Fox, minister
William Cockin signed, Ann Robinson left her mark
Witnesses: John ? ? -orth and William COOKE
Hello All
Thanks Claire, the other witness probably John Hepworth?
But it is Cockin and Cooke at Snaith, (with a Robinson too), that interests me:-
a) George Hood of Selby 1815 Marriage witnessed by Cookin (James Cookin).
b) A Grandchild of George Hood's Eizabeth Cook Hood.
c) Tim Schofield's pictures on Flickr of Robson & Robinson graves and Matthew Hood's 1717 grave in Selby Abbey Church.
Got this memory as a small boy, associating Snaith with sneezing, so it was mentioned. Very slight possibility it could have been my Grandmother discussing my Grandfather in the RAF - Snaith airfield. But he was Driffield based, although they force landed several times in their bomber, Snaith was not recorded on any surviving Accident Card or record.
Seems like Cockin and Cooke, in the Snaith marriage, are one of the same family.
Regards Mark
EDIT:
Just noticed Snaith was near Pollington, so adding these Hood of Pollington Burials, found on the FindMyPast weekend, transcribed as Snaith St Lawrence, (noted every Hood, Yorkshire burial image of 1780s decade and preparing a list).
James Hood of Pollington, buried 27 July 1781
Clarissa Hood, Widow of Pollington buried 15 April 1794
Not sure whether "(76)" is a grave number or her age.
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Hi
It does look like Hepworth on the marriage register
James HOOD married Clary RANBY 1st April 1762 ( BT rather than church register) Snaith, St Laurence.
I've spent some time looking at Cook(e) marriages at Snaith today. There are quite a few marriages by licence between the dates of 1780-1820, either in a rush to marry or possibly a family with some money, perhaps.
Also noted with interest two marriages 1790 and 1795 in Snaith of a Robinson Cooke, looks to have been born in Skelton in Cleveland to Thomas Cook (blacksmith) and Mary Robinson.
Claire
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Hi
It does look like Hepworth on the marriage register
James HOOD married Clary RANBY 1st April 1762 ( BT rather than church register) Snaith, St Laurence.
I've spent some time looking at Cook(e) marriages at Snaith today. There are quite a few marriages by licence between the dates of 1780-1820, either in a rush to marry or possibly a family with some money, perhaps.
Also noted with interest two marriages 1790 and 1795 in Snaith of a Robinson Cooke, looks to have been born in Skelton in Cleveland to Thomas Cook (blacksmith) and Mary Robinson.
Claire
Hello Claire
Great finds, thank you.
On reply #31 (James Cookin thread), I transcribed Tim Schofield's photos of his grave memorials, some are North-east England ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.31
Pollington near Snaith was on the Goole Canal.
I enquired several weeks ago to the GRO (re the new GRO online index) over the changing of a Death surname Cookin (old index) to Cockin and another introduced as Cookin and would they check the actual Certificates too.
The GRO must have looked as one has reverted back to Cookin and they have left the other, as Cookin.
Regarding Goole and even if buried as Cockin, it seems someone was using the Cookin surname in the Goole District, for Thomas Cookin, 1847, aged 75.
I have ordered both Cookin GRO Death Cerificates, to see what was recorded and who was present at death. Lets hope it was not an Inquest, as a Coroner usually reports the death.
I've ordered two more Hood Probates one born Selby (Brother of my 2 X Gt. G.), the other his widow (with Wills), to see if there is a reference to a possession of an ancestor, or an unknown Hood.
I've ordered a Copy of another from the Probate Registry, because the Will from the Register in the Leicester Records Office and the Inland Revenue Stamp Duty paperwork, I've had for nearly 20 years, seem too brief.
A [Shoe Distributor] Henry Peters Tyler [premises Belvoir Street, Leicester / residence Cossington Hall, Cossington, Leicester - 1904 Obit] has given up his claim to be Executor. I found a photo of their family monument here at Leicester ...
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=173022671
But no Hood - Tyler marriage link, seems it was business.
Regards Mark
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Hi
Cockins of Luddington Lincs, have been touched on before by Jomot, but maybe worth a second look.
In trying to find something about the Thomas C in your post I came across this marriage by Licence.
Thomas Cockin (aged 24 and of Luddington, Lincs.) and Margrit CHESTER (18 a minor of Hatfield) married at Hatfield 17 Aug. 1796
Both signed
Witnesses: Mary Hutton, Thomas Chester and Robt. Cockin
Wonder if there is a family link with Chester Newby's mother Hannah Newby nee Chester ?
If the burial of Hannah I've found is the correct one in 1839, her entry in the Death Duty register reads Hannah NUBY of Carlton, Snaith Yorks. .... Wm Mitton, Stamford Lincoln.
William Mitton bn Snaith 1789 son of Henry & Mary Mitton nee Eadon.
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When Richard Gibson married Eleanor Wainwright in 1792 one of the witnesses was a RICHARD GOLTON a tailor ( son of a Richard Golton of Wistow). Richard Golton (the witness) had a son Richard in 1779 who married an Elizabeth Perkin ( father Thomas Perkin of Berwick) c1803.
In 1812 Richard GOULTON bn 1779 was buried in Selby , a ELIZABETH GOLTON a widow married CHESTER NEWBY 1814
claire
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Hi
Cockins of Luddington Lincs, have been touched on before by Jomot, but maybe worth a second look.
In trying to find something about the Thomas C in your post I came across this marriage by Licence.
Thomas Cockin (aged 24 and of Luddington, Lincs.) and Margrit CHESTER (18 a minor of Hatfield) married at Hatfield 17 Aug. 1796
Both signed
Witnesses: Mary Hutton, Thomas Chester and Robt. Cockin
Wonder if there is a family link with Chester Newby's mother Hannah Newby nee Chester ?
If the burial of Hannah I've found is the correct one in 1839, her entry in the Death Duty register reads Hannah NUBY of Carlton, Snaith Yorks. .... Wm Mitton, Stamford Lincoln.
William Mitton bn Snaith 1789 son of Henry & Mary Mitton nee Eadon.
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When Richard Gibson married Eleanor Wainwright in 1792 one of the witnesses was a RICHARD GOLTON a tailor ( son of a Richard Golton of Wistow). Richard Golton (the witness) had a son Richard in 1779 who married an Elizabeth Perkin ( father Thomas Perkin of Berwick) c1803.
In 1812 Richard GOULTON bn 1779 was buried in Selby , a ELIZABETH GOLTON a widow married CHESTER NEWBY 1814
claire
Hello Claire
Thank you very much.
My word, this is more great detective work from Rootschatters!
Nearly mentioned old Chester Newby yesterday, because Pollington is South of Selby and not too distant from Whitley in the 1790 Baptism Register for Chester Newby.
Got it from Ancestry (under August Newby) 1790
8 August Chester So of Thomas & Hannah Newby, Whitley
In 1815 Chester Newby was a Miller at Selby (per George Hood's 1815 Marriage Bond).
Whitley is not too from Samuel Hirst of Kellington, acquainted with a George Hood.
EDITED In 1833 George Hood of Selby Brewer becomes the owner of a property in Wren Lane, formerly belonging to John Clarkson of Newport in the Parish of Eastrington, occupied by William Mitton of Snaith Gentleman and George Hood. William Mitton of Snaith was a Maltster.
The 1833 registration of the above in Wren Lane, Selby, says that a neighbouring property belongs to Lord Petre and occupied by George Hood (likely ex Gibson and Halliday), which George Hood purchased two years later at the 1835 Sale and registered in 1836.
Don't look specifically, but have Clark, Carter, or Clarkson surnames cropped up in any of your searches so far? George Hood purchased from them.
Kind regards, Mark
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Hello All
Don't know if this 1814 piece, of a 9 page Abstract of Title for an Estate at Clementhorpe & Staddlethorpe in Yorkshire I have purchased, is any use?
The document mentions a George Cockin of Sandholme in the Parish of Eastrington County of York Farmer in 1814. In 1824 George Cockin then described as then late of Sandholme aforesaid but then of Clementhorpe aforesaid Farmer & Mary his wife (p.5) ...
Also mentioned are Jno Pierson of Howden in the County of York Gent'n.
(A Solicitor in the newspapers by this name).
For the benefit of any Dickinson researchers ...
Barnard Dickinson of Coalbrook Dale in the County of Salop Gentleman (Nephew & Heir at Law of William Dickinson then late of Brocklesby in the County of Lincoln Gent'n deced) ...
Joseph Dickinson of Beverley Parks County of York Grazier.
William Dickinson who died about the 19th July 1813.
His Will bearing the date on or about 8th January 1795.
Annuity to his Wife Christian Dickinson.
Regards Mark
EDIT
I also purchased a 31st December 1814 Conveyance and the short title is:-
Mr Barnard Dickinson
or the [unreadable] of the
Exor of the late Mr
William Dickinson
To
Mr Geo Cockin and
Trustee.
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Hi
Regarding the death registration of the Thomas Cockin in the Goole area, NO burial found. However I checked the indexes again and there are NO other Thomas Cockin or variant deaths registered BUT there is this burial
Thomas COCKIN buried 9 May 1847 LUDDINGTON, Lincs. aged 75 years.
THE other couple George and Mary Cockin ~ death registrations in Howden but buried again in Luddington
COCKIN, GEORGE age 57
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in HOWDEN UNION Volume 23 Page 45
COCKIN, MARY age 72
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in HOWDEN Volume 09D Page 68
George Cockin buried Luddington St Oswalds 16 March 1838 aged 57 ~ death duty register confirms abode - Clementhorpe, Parish of Blacktoft, Yorkshire, England
Mary Cockin buried Luddington St Oswalds 23 March 1853 aged 72. ~ death duty register confirms Blacktoft as abode
So some definite links with Lincolnshire
claire
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George COCKIN ( aged 27) and Mary PINDAR (aged 27) both of Luddington married by Licence 2 May 1808 in Luddington
He signed, she left her mark
Witnesses: Jas. Pindar and Wm Cockin
EDIT: These two Cockins George and Thomas were brothers, children of Thomas Cockin and Elizabeth Dowery, married at Luddington 26 Nov 1765.
Thomas bpt. 27 Oct 1771
George bpt. 20 Jul 1780
William bpt. 28 Apr 1775
Robert bpt. 12 May 1778
claire
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Hello
Thank you very much Claire, I'm astounded you linked in Pindar, because I cut the title off the "Abstract of Title of Mess'rs John Pindar & George Pindar to an Estate at Clementhorpe & Staddlethorpe in the Parish of Blacktoft in the County of York."
General Comment
Got this feeling that my George Hood has many connections with people South and East of Selby - Marriage Bond; property dealings and possibly James Cookin / Cockin the Marriage witness and probably the George Hood in the Samuel Hirst of Kellington diaries.
Think we should see if anything of interest in this Will of the Rev William Hood (born Selby 1849) and the Cookin Goole Death Certificate when they arrive. Shame the GRO Death indexes don't tell us who was present, or reported a death.
James Cockin, summaries from some of the 33 Cockins saved, but some are B.T.s, so can't see all witnesses, or signatures.
James Cockin & Frances Corner, South Cave, 1789. [crosses by signature]
James Cockin & Martha Hargreave, Wath upon Dearne, by Banns 26th December 1786, signed James Coikin.
James Cockin & Mary Turr, Thorne, 2 August 1791, by Banns, James signed, but image B.T. Mary left mark per B.T.
James Son of William & Dorothy Cockin, Joyner, Doncaster, Bapt. 26 December 1786. B.T.
William Son of James & Ann Cockin, Abode Doncaster, Labourer, Bapt Doncaster 2 Oct. 1814, born 24 July 1814.
Thomas Pearson Cockin
There was a Thomas Pearson Cockin Sadler & Mary Ann Langford of this Parish by Licence, S. Moore Vicar, Doncaster 14 August? 1804 (I have P.R.)
8 September 1765 Thomas Pearson Son of Joseph & Ann Cockin was baptised. Transcribed as Armthorpe by FindMyPast.
Regards Mark
EDIT
Jomot's research on Cockins, mentions Althorpe and a James Cockin
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6082474#msg6082474
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The parish register of the marriage is in a very poor state,
Thomas Pearson Cockin and MARY Ann Langford married 14 Oct. 1804
Both signed register, she as Mary Ann
There were four witnesses: such is the state of the register two forenames are not there but both have the surname WALKER, Mary GOODLAD and Thomas RICKARD
claire
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8 September 1765 Thomas Pearson Son of Joseph & Ann Cockin was baptised. Transcribed as Armthorpe by FindMyPast.
Regards Mark
Hi, apologies if you are already aware, Armthorpe is only a couple of miles from Doncaster, and not very far from Hatfield, Cantley etc.
Regards
Frank.
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The marriage of James Cockin and Frances Corner, they both signed the register. The crosses were either side of their signatures as there is a 'note' at the bottom of the register, here is an image.
claire
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Hello All
Thanks Claire and Frank.
Frank, I tried several searches (both surnames) in the online Newspaper Archive, re your marriage (or no marriage) query, they probably never placed a newspaper notice (not all newspapers are scanned yet).
Thomas Pearson Cockin, married 14 August 1804, interesting Pearson and Cockin together, wondering what surviving documents he is mentioned in and the origin of Pearson, or any Cockin - Pearson link.
Sadler too, so linked to the leather trade.
Noticed Cockins at Doncaster, one was an Innkeeper and another a Wine / Spirit Merchant, so a connection with drink.
Regards Mark
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Elizabeth Cockin X Francis Pearson married 14 Dec 1731 Barnby-Upon-Don, York, England
Barnby Dun
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Barnbydun/
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Hi
Thomas Cockin (aged 24 and of Luddington, Lincs.) and Margrit CHESTER (18 a minor of Hatfield) married at Hatfield 17 Aug. 1796
Both signed
Witnesses: Mary Hutton, Thomas Chester and Robt. Cockin
Wonder if there is a family link with Chester Newby's mother Hannah Newby nee Chester ?
If the burial of Hannah I've found is the correct one in 1839, her entry in the Death Duty register reads Hannah NUBY of Carlton, Snaith Yorks. .... Wm Mitton, Stamford Lincoln.
William Mitton bn Snaith 1789 son of Henry & Mary Mitton nee Eadon.
Thanks dobfarm
Re "entry in the Death Duty register reads Hannah NUBY " if there is a Will, that might be interesting to see.
Also George Hood took over Henry Mitton's Maltkiln at Selby.
Cookin witness on Marriage here ... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6068959#msg6068959
And Chester Newby on George Hood's 1815 Marriage Bond ................
Regards Mark
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The Will is held at the Borthwick
Entries found
Claire
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QUOTE
Re: George Hood Burial where? Died Selby, Yorks 18 September 1845
« Reply #160 on: Monday 26 October 15 21:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mark
Chester Newby
Born in Whitley Bridge 1790 Parents Thomas and Hannah Newby (nee Chester)
Married Elizabeth Goulton 30 Jan 1814 (Chester of Snaith Parish - Elizabeth Selby Parish
Re-married 1841 in Rawcliffe, Goole to Mary Ann Pease - residence at time of marriage Barlow
1841 Census residence Barlow
1851 Census visitor Barlow
Died 25 Sept 1859 Selby District
Probate Calendar describes him as Gentleman of Snaith
Goughy
END OF QUOTE.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728231.msg5791265#msg5791265
Jomot's Cockin, info here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6082474#msg6082474
Claire, I'll see about this Hannah Nuby Will & Cert., Free BMD search Deaths Sep 1837 to 1839 have no Nuby, but:-
Hannah Newby, SELBY District, June 1839 (GRO age 77).
Hannah Newby, Halifax District, Sept 1839 (GRO age 74).
Checking on another Manor of Selby collection, dobfarm found a 3rd Petre collection in Lancs, to see if anything on the Richard Gibson / George Hood premises of Lord Petre. Seems the Goltons knew Richard Gibson or his wife, at any rate.
THANK YOU TO ALL who have contributed, or looked stuff up, re the Hood related threads, so far. The comments come, so fast at times, I can't keep up.
Kind regards, Mark
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Think we should see if anything of interest in this Will of the Rev William Hood (born Selby 1849) and the Cookin Goole Death Certificate when they arrive.
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Jomot's research on Cockins, mentions Althorpe and a James Cockin
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6082474#msg6082474
Hello All
Three Wills have arrived from the Probate Registry, one is a copy of the Leicester George Hood, I've had for almost 20 yrs.
The other two Wills, I was hoping might help ;D ...
Rev. William Hood [born Selby 1849] of Barnby in the Willows dying at Newark Hospital left everything to his wife Elizabeth Ann Hood (nee Foster) and she died before claiming Probate.
The Solicitor has submitted a Will for Elizabeth Ann Hood the Widow confirming her to be of The Vicarage Barnby in the Willows, but rather than specifying any item, or any Hood or Foster relation, has only gone on to mention that her solicitor will require payment for his services and any costs he will incur in dealing with the Will.
Most odd that Elizabeth Ann Hood / solicitor went to all the trouble of making a Will, but never made her wishes known, nor specified any beneficiaries, only that the Solicitor should get his fees etc., in dealing with the Will.
The Will is very poor and also of no use to the Family Historian! >:(
Then the Solicitor puts a notice in the London Gazette appealing for persons having debts or claims against the estate, to make them by 28th February 1927 [Effects £1141] after which he shall distribute the estate.
BTTDB (back to the drawing board) and George Hood (married Selby 1815) remains as elusive, as ever!
Lets hope the Cookin / Cockin Goole and Hannah Newby Death Certs reveal a Hood present at death, or some other lead!
Rather than just order Hannah Nuby's Will, we're considering whether another Yorkshire Will reading trip might be in order.
I will look on FS & see if and how Chester Newby's mother Hannah (nee Chester), might link to Margrit Chester who married Thomas Cockin of Luddington, Lincs., at Hatfield in 17 Aug 1796?
Regards Mark
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Hi Mark,
Though interesting with hope it may bring up possible family link to witnesses in the 1815 marriage or bond allegation forms of George and Sarah Hood, though a witness could be a friend or anyone off the street. A Will/probate 1924 to 27 - ? seems more likely to bring up people mentioned in a will born many years after 1845 death of George and a century after his birth circa 1785/7. :-\
Considering there is confliction as to year of George's birth year and possible maybe baptised as child or adult anytime 1780 to 1815 before marriage Selby. Maybe baptisms searches should be widened in the 18th century
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... 1815 marriage or bond allegation forms of George and Sarah Hood ... a witness could be a friend or anyone off the street.
Considering there is confliction as to year of George's birth year and possible maybe baptised as child or adult anytime 1780 to 1815 before marriage Selby. Maybe baptisms searches should be widened in the 18th century.
Thanks.
Agree, even linking Chester Newby to a Cockin may go nowhere, if they were simply good friends of George Hood.
I was trying a Will of a known Rev Wm Hood born Selby 1849 (died 1924) & Widow, in the hope of ... I leave my Gt Grandfather xxxxxx Hood's Pocket Watch (or whatever) to ... Perhaps ambitous hoping for a Gt. Grandfather Hood reference, but worth a gamble.
We cannot rule in or out ... a possible Richard Gibson link yet.
George could be Son of John Hood of Selby, the Mariner, who may have had a 'liaison' with a lady in another town or Port. Nothing confirmed about Jane Hood wife of John the Mariner (buried Selby aged 65 in 1803) and where she came from, yet.
Age 60 at death on 18 Sept 1845 = 1785.
In 60th year at death (i.e. 59 yrs old) = 1786.
28 yrs old in July 1815 Marr. = 1786 - 1787.
Unless George had some reason to mislead, surely 1780s is about right.
If not Gateshead 1786 ...
Re 1841 Census - born in same county, if incorrect, one George Hood Scotland outstanding, another G.H. Bridport.
Or the LDS did not transcribe it, or awaiting to be transcribed from an image, by a Family website.
Or baptism never recorded.
Or from a landed family with their own Chapel and Register somewhere.
Non-conformist Birth, for which no record survives.
No Burials
Possibly we don't have any Baptism.
George's Death occurred 18 September 1845 - Certified.
Sarah's Death occurred 28 November 1879 - Certified.
But we can't find a corresponding burial either for George, or his wife dying 1879 (which is only 100 years ago during our lifetimes).
The only York Burial Register for the City, which could not be found was York Minster?
Maybe like Richard III and under a car park or road, no M.I. taken and Register whereabouts not known. In the past, perhaps too quick to bulldoze these places, with no proper recording.
A Missing Parish Register
Both baptism / birth and the burial missing - could a Yorkshire Parish Register be missing? But that would require the B.T. to be missing too.
Transcribed as Wood, or Hood an Alias Name
Other alternative is transcribed as WOOD.
Or a name change to, or HOOD an alias.
Maybe my quest, is a question, with no current solution or answer.
Regards Mark
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People on another site answered a blog where a question was posed: The best Genealogy advice they had ever been given.......Best answer...
Never Give up... :)
Thomas Cockins wife Margrit died in 1807 and was buried in Luddington.
Margaret wife of Thomas Cockin Jnr. farmer Ludn. aged 30 bur. 20th May.
So looking for a birth c1777/8.
Not readily seeing a baptism, but there are two couples baptising children in Hatfield by the surname Chester.
William and Ann
Francis and Dinah
claire
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Maybe my quest, is a question, with no current solution or answer.
I've been following the elusive George for weeks and weeks now on All of your threads, no, don't even think of giving up, he will suddenly appear, maybe not now or in weeks or months, but I'm sure he will rear his elusive head.
Frank.
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Me too Frank...
Well said
:)
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Thanks
Thanks Claire for the info. faithfully noted.
I actually don't want to give up.
But I don't want to annoy anyone either, oh no not him again!
Perhaps I should have a Column called 'Quest for George' and put my daily ramblings on.
A Van has just rolled up outside, nurses in white coats have got out, do I invite them in, or put the lights out and hide, lol.
Regards Mark
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If people don't like the threads, they don't have to read them.
I enjoy them and there a good few of us on here who do I'm sure.
So ramble on .... :)
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But I don't want to annoy anyone either, oh no not him again!...................................................................
Regards Mark
What's all of that about?................ You don't annoy anyone, this thread (in my opinion) has formed it's own group of followers, many, like Claire and dobfarm etc have given lots of time and input to your quest, and others like myself who have had little input but still follow it to the letter.
We all want to know where that B£%&!"d, George, (No offence meant or intended) was buried.
I think that makes my point :-X ;D ;D
Frank.
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George could be Son of John Hood of Selby, the Mariner, who may have had a 'liaison' with a lady in another town or Port. Nothing confirmed about Jane Hood wife of John the Mariner (buried Selby aged 65 in 1803) and where she came from, yet.
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Hello Claire and All
Although we know John Hood of Selby, Mariner, came from Scarborough (see Charles and (Maudland nee Hood) Morland Turner's first daughter baptised 1795 Selby) and John Hood was 82 yrs when he was buried Selby 4 April 1819, we never established who Jane Hood was, nor where she was from?
A John Hood and Jane Newby 1793 marriage at Scalby was suggested, but I thought they were still living there after 1819 (in Census).
Also a recent burial found suggests a John and Jane Hood were at Scalby in 1794, when Alice was buried, but our John Hood of Selby is in the Selby Land Tax.
Any ideas who Jane Hood of Selby was, wife of John Hood, mariner, please?
Regards Mark
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The John and Jane Hood in Scalby baptised a son George in 1798 and a John in 1807, so definitely a different couple. And I think John Hood the elder does appear in a census, I've looked at this family before.
claire
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Thanks Claire
Reference to a John Hood of Scarborough, in the December burial of James Son of John Hood of Scarbro' in the Old Malton Register in 1781.
I believe I have this James Hood's will transcribed, which I'll post tomorrow.
So a link with one John Hood of Scarborough to Old Malton.
Margaret wife of John Hood buried 12 Sept 1785 Old Malton.
Regards Mark
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Marriage at New Malton St Leonard
John HOOD widower married Margaret WOOD widow both OTP on 28 October 1756 after Banns
Both signed
Witnesses: John Geary? and John Barnby
Claire
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Possible marriages of John Hood aged 28 born c1707 by Licence. Residence parish: Old Malton. Bride: Jane Marshall of Pickering aged 29.
Married: 21 August 1735 at Old Malton.
Edit: since that last marriage have found other marriages in New/Old Malton of John Hoods :-\
1730 John Hood to Grace Marshall - New Malton.
1742 John Hood to Elizabeth Eaton - Old Malton
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And this marriage at St Laurence Snaith - have this couple been followed through
John Hood married Ann Whitehead of Rocliff on 7 December 1736
Claire
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Suppose George was not baptised as a infant or older child but got baptised especially for the his Selby marriage months before May 1815 as an adult in his parish of birth.
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Hello All
Thank you, Claire and dobfarm and anyone checking stuff off board.
John Hood of Selby, Mariner, (formerly of Scarborough) married Elizabeth Leppington (Widow of John Leppington and a John Leppington was buried Scarborough St Mary's 17 July 1762). Elizabeth Leppington, Widow was nee Elizabeth Spencer, so this is how Rootschatters got Elizabeth Spencer the mother of Maudland Hood baptised Scarborough 24 December 1775 and by using the Descent in the Selby Register of 1795, when Maudland Turner's (nee Hood's) first daughter was born.
EDIT: Also for the above to work out per documents, John Hood of Selby, Mariner (formerly of Scarborough) must have married the mystery Jane after 1775 (the Birth of Maudland Hood) and before Jane Hood's Selby burial in 1803.
Because John Hood, Mariner, then of Scarborough married with an Allegation and Bond AND Jane Marshall's John Hood of Pickering, a Bleacher (so wrong occupation, not a Mariner) also has a surviving Bond which he signed, I got the paperwork and also felt John Hood's signatures (below) did not match either, so Jane Marshall definitely and probably Jane Newby (married Scalby 1793), are out of the frame for the mystery Jane.
So not only do we have a mystery George Hood at Selby with no burial, we also have a mystery Jane Hood, who cannot be nee Jane Marshall.
So somewhere John Hood of Selby, Mariner (formerly of Scarborough) has married a mystery Jane (born about 1738)?
So not only do we have bother with my ol' George Hood, but Jane Hood, wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner (formerly of Scarborough), is a mystery woman in my life too?
John Hood of Selby (formerly of Scarborough) being a Mariner, could of married Jane anywhere, assuming they were actually married. But I also wonder if the mystery Jane Hood (buried Selby 15 Aug 1803, aged 65) might be George's mother who in 1785 would be about 47 years old?
Regards Mark
Note: We discovered that there were a few John Hoods of Scarborough all Mariners, marrying (mid to late 18th Century).
Signature of John Hood, John Hood & Jane Marshall, 28th March 1765 Marriage Bond.
Signature of John Hood of the Parish of Scarborough aged 25 and a Batchelor Mariner 6th December 1763 Marriage Bond, to Elizabeth Leppington of Scarborough aged 26 and a Widow.
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Sorry if this has been touched on before but is there concrete proof that the John Hood in Selby per land tax and buried there with wife Jane IS the man from Scarborough who is the father of Maudland Hood.
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Are you saying (Mark)
With both George and Jane origins and no marriage found to John Hood being 3 mysteries.
So mystery Jane Hood (Nee Unknown) buried 1803 maybe she never married to John Hood but possible George Hood d 1845 was her son, thus George could be baptised illegitimate in Jane's maiden name and later taking John Hood's surname being the illegitimate father of George.
Sounds viable
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Was John Hood father of George Hood a one off single entry baptized 1786 Gateshead (date of bapt exact to his known age b 1785/7 and father named John ) the same John Hood (origin of Scarborough) husband mariner of Jane Hood buried 1803 Selby
Highly very likely (George had a son married Scarborough)
R Gisbon's dad lived Newcastle
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Was John Hood the same John Hood (origin of Scarborough) who married Elizabeth Gibson 1779 Newcastle (need to check bond allegations signatures) Likely - (Ports) Having an affair with Jane (widow Slipper ?) or later shacked up with Jane after Liz Gibson died.
Very likely
or a mix of above ports ('Ferry across the Mersey' - Mersey being the North sea with John Hood ;D)
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Sorry if this has been touched on before but is there concrete proof that the John Hood in Selby per land tax and buried there with wife Jane IS the man from Scarborough who is the father of Maudland Hood.
Hello All
Thanks for replies.
Re your question Claire, yes.
Re your question dobfarm, yes likely a mystery Jane.
Jane was wife of John Hood of Selby Mariner when she was buried at Selby in 1803.
Slide over to Elizabeth Turner's 1795 Selby Baptism & Birth dates, so that it reveals the right hand page and confirmation of Maudland Hood's lineage.
We've seen the Scarborough St Mary's December 1775 Baptism Register (fiche) at Beverley. Maudland alias Morland was Maudland Hood baptised Scarborough St. Mary's December 1775 and D. of John Hood.
It seems the Selby John Hood has previously had enough of Scarborough as their children, even Spencer Hood (almost certainly his) have died in the 1770s along with wife Elizabeth.
Next a John Hood appears in the Selby Land Tax, circa 1781 (don't know if any older L/ Tax pages are online).
Then we have references to John Hood of Selby, Mariner in the Selby Register (both attached) and how he is Maudland's father.
1. We know Maudland Hood was baptised Scarborough and links to Jane and John Hood of Selby.
2. John Hood, Mariner was of Scarborough when he married Widow, Elizabeth Leppington (nee Spencer).
3. Spencer Hood S. of John Hood likely their child (John & Elizabeth Hood) buried too, probably with the other burials at Scarborough.
4. Elizabeth Hood burial at Scarborough, possibly John Hood's first wife.
John Hood of Scarborough, later John Hood of Selby has re-married a mystery Jane somewhere, after losing his wife Elizabeth Hood (ex Leppington Widow) nee Spencer.
Regards Mark
EDIT: From Goughy, on an old post
The marriage of John Hood/Jane Newby marriage in Scalby 1793 states John's occupation as Farmer
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Well I have to admit that does seem pretty conclusive.
Like you say - who is Jane ? And more importantly - who is George ?
Possible scenario - John Hood meets a Jane - possibly widow plus 40 age - maybe with a son George who takes the 'Hood' name when his mother remarries :)
:)
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Are you saying (Mark)
With both George and Jane origins and no marriage found to John Hood being 3 mysteries.
So mystery Jane Hood ... possible George Hood d 1845 was her son, thus George could be baptised illegitimate in Jane's maiden name and later taking John Hood's surname being the illegitimate father of George.
Sounds viable
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Was John Hood father of George Hood a one off single entry baptized 1786 Gateshead (date of bapt exact to his known age b 1785/7 and father named John ) the same John Hood (origin of Scarborough) husband mariner of Jane Hood buried 1803 Selby
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Having an affair with Jane (widow Slipper ?)
Hello All
Thanks for replies.
Possible Claire - George born to Jane, who then marries John Hood and George takes the surname Hood.
Similar to dobfarm, almost the same scenario, but John Hood as the father.
Had a vague, but interesting reply re the Petre Mss., the collection is uncatalogued, but a brief list has 'rentals General, 1810 -1826' but no knowledge of which places. Collection covers Petre property in other Counties. Some Selby documents under York, but no knowledge of what they are.
Think we'll plan a journey there, to see if any reference re Richard Gibson to George Hood change of Tenancy, survives. Think that is favourite! Attempt to rule Gibson in, or out, as Uncle to George Hood.
Regards Mark
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Iffy :-\
You'll need to log in or register with family search to view
John Hood x Jane Sharp in Derby 1793
Left page top first entry
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-D1Q9-VJP?mode=g&i=15&cc=1911752
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That's a nifty little find dobfarm - can you see any kiddies born to this couple or any records to rule them in or out ?
I can't :-\
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That's a nifty little find dobfarm - can you see any kiddies born to this couple or any records to rule them in or out ?
I can't :-\
I can't either as siblings, what baffles me is George Hood the witness signature looks very like Mark's George d 1845 Selby signature also John Hood's signature seems similar to the Eliz Eppington ( nee Spencer) marriage to John Hood.
How old did witnesses have to be to sign at wedding them days ???- Say George was born 1780 he would be 13 in 1793 old enough to have developed his confident signature
As anyone found the year when Elizabeth (nee Gibson) Hood died
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Well Mr G**gle isn't helping with regards to the age of witnesses at a wedding. Not sure if it differs to what it is today - and then I can't find anything concrete - couple of sites say there is no legal age for a witness - although some prefer the witnesses to be 'of age' or over eighteen.😁
I don't think anyone has found a burial for Elizabeth Hood nee Gibson. I've had a quick look but nothing definite in Durham or Northumberland.
I have to agree those signatures do look quite similar dobfarm.
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Hello All
Thanks for the replies. Seen the marriage image and need to compare side by side, but surely my George would be too young to sign as witness?
My George Hood's birth is 1785 to 1787, per douments.
Hood transcribed as Wood
I've had this problem and seen one Northumberland image written HOOD, transcribed as WOOD by Family Search.
My own ancestors family was wrongly transcribed as Wood in 1881 by a subscription F H site. I can prove it is a wrong transcription from the childrens Birth Certificates. The site seem to have noticed and put "Wood [Hood]" or similar, when I last looked.
Although surname Wood is more popular, Hood is quite popular and in Yorkshire too.
Could any of the images, for John Wood & Jane 1775 to 1790, Yorkshire (Family Search), be HOOD please:-
John Wood & Jane Cobb, Hemingbrough, Yorks, 23 November 1780.
John Wood & Jane Swinbank, East Cowton, Yorks, 28 November 1785.
John Wood & Jane Standige, St. Peter, Leeds, 31 August 1789.
Thanks.
Regards Mark
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My reasoning.
Its may seem far fetched but these are the extremes we have now to look at with George !! who seemed to appear very well educated with a sound business background knowledge from experience in 1812 to takeover or turnaround a failed but now a recovery business and which he did also later expanding his business interests. This is my doubts for reasoning of George Hood being older than he stated 1815 aged 28 = 26 of age in 1812.
I've had a feeling a while George was fibbing about his age at marriage, now if the fib carried on year by year through to his death with Sarah Russel believing he was younger, thus informant at death would state his age as from 28 in 1815 marriage age. I've seem similar in marriage by licence age being wrong before in ancestry. My mum thought dad should have retired 3 years before he did at 65 and it all came out he was 3 years younger or he fibbed on his marriage certificate to be same age as mum. ;D ;D ;D
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Claire -can we find a infant death/burial for this George
George Hood 1772 SCARBOROUGH, BTS, YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND
Birth Date 1769
Father's Name John Hood
Mother's Name Elizabeth
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George Hood buried 17 Feb 1772 Scarborough St Mary.
Father: John
George Hood buried 3 September 1778 Scarborough St Mary. Father: John
No ages given on either record. Seems like John Hood would have loved a son called George - if it's Marks John Hood we are dealing with.
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Hi, Thanks for these efforts.
Registration District Goole
1847 Death in the Sub-district of Swinefleet in the Counties of York, West Riding and Lincoln
Sixth of May 1847 at Luddington
Thomas Cockin
Male
75 Years
Farmer
Natural Decay No medical Attendant
Elizelth Cockin Present at the Death Luddington
Registered Tenth of May 1847
George Bellamy Registrar
Informant Elizelth Cockin
It will probably be another couple of days for Hannah Newby's.
Regards Mark
EDIT: James Cockin signatures.
One looks a bit scribbled (1815), the other more flowing & rounded (1789), are they the same?
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In Ja'mes' he brings e above the m then shots the tail of the e straight out across into the top of the start s then drops 90 degree
In Cocking the c to k look similar if not same
I would say yes 80%
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I'm with you here dobfarm, they do look very similar don't they ?
The 'mes' after 'Ja' looks good. Take the 'C' away from the surname and it could well be the the same hand.
I would say 81% ;D
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Without going through all the threads, John and Elizabeth Hood baptized three children in 1766 ~ Richard, Christopher and William ~ are these all the same family and have they been researched ? **** ignore this just found another John Hood marriage in 1759, two John Hoods in Scarborough with a wife Elizabeth :-\
EDIT FOR MARK
1780 marriage isn't online that I can see ~ just the BT
1785 John WOOD left his mark
1789 John WOOD left his mark
claire
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Thank you.
Been a small, but possible development Cockin-Hepworth, posted in the Reply 93 Edit: here ...
George Hood 1815 Selby Marriage - James Cookin / ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6158639#msg6158639
Regards Mark
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off chance
Baptism: 19 Sep 1784 Holy Trinity, Colton, Lancashire, England
George Dickinson - Son of Anne Dickinson father ???
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Possible :)
What if : George 'Bloggs' bn c1786 to illegitimate mother, takes on Hood surname from stepfather throughout his life but buried with his birth surname - and that of the rest of the family we can't find burials for. They could be right under our noses :)
Incidentally dobfarm the Sarah Hood burial you found in Chester le Street - was that ruled out? It was a good find that :)
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Thank you dobfarm and Claire
When John Clark, Tanner of Selby, died, (Will 1764), Clark left his property divided between his five daughters as five equal shares. Later George Hood purchases 4/5 ths of the Gowthorpe premises (advertised in 1830).
The Deed is Registered in 1831 for 4/5ths of the Gowthorpe premises acquired by George Hood, which indicated that Martha Clark was one of 5 Coheiresses at Law to John Clark and that Martha had married William Dickinson late of Selby Tailor, which had passed to his son John Dickinson of Selby, Plumber and Glaizer.
However, the registration makes no reference to George Hood being heir at Law, to any one of the inheritors of the Five Clark Sisters shares.
Thought, crossed my mind - possibly George illegitimate, takes surname Hood from his father but buried with his birth name.
However, once a Death is registered, a Burial Certificate was issued in the name of the deceased to permit the burial to occur (the Quakers have kept these filed). I doubt, if the Church would put a different name in their Burial Register to the name given them on the Burial Certificate and Death Certificate?
Missing burials online, more likely.
Regards Mark
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Possible :)
What if : George 'Bloggs' bn c1786 to illegitimate mother, takes on Hood surname from stepfather throughout his life but buried with his birth surname - and that of the rest of the family we can't find burials for. They could be right under our noses :)
Incidentally dobfarm the Sarah Hood burial you found in Chester le Street - was that ruled out? It was a good find that :)
I have vague recollection of that Sarah Hood burial but how far we got with it or what thread it is on I can't remember.
Another point the missing Hood Selby adult children burials and Sarah Hood burial would have been Hood at burial
Sarah Hood missing burial 3 decades after George is the biggest mystery of all that gap to me indicates they are all buried together or at least George and his wife Sarah Hood are.
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I'm trying to find that Sarah Hood link ~
Got it...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754247.msg6052443#msg6052443
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Sarah Hood death place, person at death in her dearth certificate info 1879, a good map of house numbers, time gap from George's death, and info in the Selby newspaper 1879 that stated when a body is buried in another parish - but in Sarah's case it did not thus she should have been buried in Selby.
Quaker.
Daughter in law widow wife of William Hood son of George: lived in or near Quaker meeting house in front of Quaker burial ground at Sarah's death 1879 would be in charge of her burial.
Obvious place to bury Sarah in Selby cemetery but Sarah was not buried there. WHY
Likely buried with George in Quaker burial ground.
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I definitely feel a Quaker burial or NC burial. What about a Catholic burial ? Wasn't that Lord Petre a Catholic ? Incidently SEAX hold land records for Lord Petre, which includes land/property rentals in Yorkshire, so Mr G**gle tells me
https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/SeaxPAM/ViewCatalogue.aspx?ID=467377
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I definitely feel a Quaker burial or NC burial. What about a Catholic burial ? Wasn't that Lord Petre a Catholic ? Incidently SEAX hold land records for Lord Petre, which includes land/property rentals in Yorkshire, so Mr G**gle tells me
https://secureweb1.essexcc.gov.uk/SeaxPAM/ViewCatalogue.aspx?ID=467377
Thanks for replies.
Been in touch by email with Essex R.O. a while back and they had no 1810 to 1815 Petre items for Selby.
Hull had the Manor of Selby Court Rolls (mainly dealing with Copyhold), when there was a change of owner on Copyhold at Selby, basically the new owner, or beneficiary, had to pay a fine to the Manor and make a formal request to be admitted to the Manor.
I've purchased some documents relating to an Inn (Copyhold) at Selby and the Inn was left in a Will and the beneficiary was being told, if you don't make an application to the Manor Court, the Manor of Selby will seize the premises!
Lancs looks more promising from the reply, when we can arrange a few days, as the collection is uncatalogued and spans 100s of years, so needle in a haystack comes to mind!
Noticed a few weeks ago at our Library, a Quaker burial with "Non Quaker" after the name and the Quaker Library confirmed that a few non Quakers were buried in their Burial grounds. Emailed Leeds at X-mas, had reference number, but no reply yet.
A reply (last March 2016) from Leeds re a September 1845 Quaker burial claimed they were all online.
However, this is not so according to the Quaker Library and basically only those in TNA, Kew are known to be online from RG 6 and these stop short of 1845, around 1837. Some Selby burials come under the York Monthly Meeting too.
Regards Mark
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Links to two Mitton, Yorkshire Wills and comments ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6160221#msg6160221
Are they any help, please?
Thanks Mark
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oil painting of Burns
Edwin Hood will written in 1941, mentions an "oil painting of Burns"
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Sounds like this might be Robert Burns, or it could also be a family ancestor with the same surname.
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Robert Burns and Thomas Hood
I found this regarding Thomas Hood and Robert Burns online ...
THOMAS HOOD
Accompanied Burns and Ker into England, on the Border tour, after the poet had parted from Ainslie, who returned to Edinburgh.
Burns described Ker and Hood in a letter to Ainslie from Newcastle, 29th May 1787:
'Old Mr Tho Hood has been persuaded to join or Partie, and Mr Kerr and he do very well, but alas! I dare not talk nonsense lest I lose all the little dignity I have among the sober sons of wisdom and discretion, and I have not had one hearty mouthful of laughter since that merry melancholy moment we parted.
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Robert Burns died intestate in 1796.
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Could the oil painting of Burns mentioned in the Will of Edwin Hood alias Edwin Casson Hood (Son of William Hood of Selby), be my only clue.
Or was Burns a place, or house, or farm name? For example:- Burns Beach, Lerwick, or Burns Farm, Keswick.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=98gpHIvLXKgC&pg=PT51&lpg=PT51&dq=Burns+%22Thomas+Hood%22&source=bl&ots=UHAS7OrrfN&sig=23DFh6y829c888ZvlzRIC6FfpSI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbzoGk8sfVAhUKKcAKHbUBCWUQ6AEINzAJ
Can't quite work out if this Thomas Hood was in Newcastle upon Tyne, or Burns had met Hood along the way.
The only clues I have, are sadly too vague.
Regards Mark
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Could be Burn in Brayton parish, someone added the s or a swirl on the 'N' in Burn^-
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Could be Burn in Brayton parish, someone added the s or a swirl on the 'N' in Burn^-
Thank you.
I've seen lots of handwritten words, that look like they have an 's' on the end, where the writer's hand runs on after the last letter, which don't normally have a letter s.
The typist making the Probate copy just sees Burns, for Burn.
Mark
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What was the painting image of- cows in fields - village with hills around it - long scape with flat lands with houses - a lake etc ???
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Edwin Casson Hood (born Selby 1857), who died 1942, aged 84, District of Belper, referred to "the oil painting of Burns", so not in our line and I have never seen it.
Just before WW 1 Edwin Casson Hood and Mary Hood (nee Ediss, married 1910) were with the Shore and Ediss family members, at Heage Hall, Belper, Derbyshire.
Heage Hall was haunted, according to the writings of Thomas Shore of the mid 19th Century, (before Edwin C Hood lived there).
"Heage Hall, perhaps the oldest dwelling in the area and the former home of the Argiles, Shores and most famously, the Poles." Tom Bates.
Mark
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Don't know about haunted Hall, but seems only way to solve this puzzle is to take a Ouija Board to Selby Quaker burial ground and too speak direct to the horses mouth. ??? LOL!!
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I'm game if you are :D :D
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Hello
Claire, re your William Mowbray Hood, birth 1846.
Norfolk News, 10th May 1845
On Friday. May 2nd, ...
Same day, at Wisbech, Mr Mowbray Hood, of Parson Drove, baker, to Miss Susan Ann Castle, of Sutton St. Edmunds.
Stamford Mercury, 1 August 1845
To be Let, and Entered upon Immediately, A DWELLING-HOUSE and BAKEHOUSE, with outbuildings, at Parson Drove, near Wisbech, now in the occupation of Mr. Mowbray Hood.
For Particulars enquire upon the Premises.
Cambridge Chronicle and Journal, and Huntingdonshire Gazette, 28 March 1846
Isle of Ely,
Deaths.
On the 19th instant, at Parson Drove, aged 24, Mr. Mowbray Hood, baker.
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Two you might be interested in Claire, referring to Hood of Seymour Street & Wharton Peter Hood ...
Peter Hood, Esq., PROBATE 1890.
Mary Gordon Hood, PROBATE 1897.
Mark
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Thanks Mark - re the probate records :)
I hadn't seen the newspaper articles regarding his father Mowbray Hood, after Mowbray Hood died in 1846 his mother went on to marry a William Wrate ( after 1851 census) .
William Mowbray Hood is with her parents in St Edmunds Sutton, Lincolnshire in 1861 - then nothing.
His Grandfather George Castle died in Parson Drove - have seen the probate record, had hoped William M H name would appear on it but no. Grandmother Susannah Castle - not sure where she died either.
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Hi
Thank you for replies.
I have the Richard Pearson of Selby Will 1724 and Pearson had property in the Kingdom of Ireland and Selby Yorkshire.
Pearson's Indenture describes a Capital Dwelling House by the sounds of it, at Selby, abutting on the Church Dam (and the House of Francis Walmesley Esq., called the Suger House), with Barn, Stable, Malt Kiln, Horse Mill, Garth Garden or Orchard with rights to the Commons, common of pasture, ways, water courses, profitts, commodities [sic] ...
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I believe the Cook and Pearson surname is linked with Scotland and Ireland too?
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But Alfred is a very Medieval English / Anglo-Saxon name.
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"The name Burns in Ireland is usually of immigrant origin having been brought to the country by settlers from Scotland, especially during the seventeenth century."
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It leaves me with the suspicion that George Hood (marr Selby 1815) might be Scottish, or Scottish via Ireland, at some point.
But surname Alfred might suggest otherwise.
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I have ordered 6 more Probate wills from the other Hood lines (plus 3 more found in my line prior to 1928), to see if they mention anything, or add any flesh to that, which is only known currently in brief.
I need to flush out the surnames; also "painting of Burns"; the mystery Winifred Hood and a group of three initials "W M H" on sugar tongs in 1942, which mean absolutely nothing in their current raw form.
It seems extremely difficult trying to link an unknown Hood, so I'm trying known Hoods in all the lines from George, for clues.
Mark
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1742 John Hood to Elizabeth Eaton - Old Malton
1742 Old Malton, Yorkshire, Register image
John Hood married Elizabeth Easton
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1776 Mary Easton Cockin
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6082474#msg6082474
There was an Easton family at Luddington, Lincs.
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Also looking at another James Cockin & Mary Torr, Spinster, at Thorne, by Banns in 1791. Present: John Cockin; Susana Cortham.
This James Cockin & Mary Torr had some children at Thorne and later children at Armthorpe.
1802 Armthorpe, Yorkshire
John 6th child of James Cockin, Lab'r S. of James Cockin, Farmer of Barnby Dun
and of Mary D. of John Torr of Hatfield Woodhouse, Lab'r, b. March 29. bap 23 May.
Armthorpe Burials for the couple (which tie in with their baptisms and the descent given when their children were baptised) :-
1824, James Cockin, Abode Armthorpe, 11th January, Age 67. [Born abt 1757].
1831, Mary Cockin, Abode Armthorpe, Nov 21s, Age 65. [Born abt 1766].
Baptisms
1756 August 22, Barnby Dun, James Son of James Cocking.
1765 December 29, Mary Daughter of John and Ann Torr of Woodhouse was baptised.